Tical21":3694iwl3 said:
I'm saying over his seven years, if you average his defensive rating, and rushing rating, including the bad years, i can't think of any quarterback who would have higher. Maybe Elway over some stretch? But I doubt it.
That's weasel wording. A team in any particular NFL year doesn't have the average; they have what they have. And after 2015, Wilson's supporting cast dropped off. He still made the playoffs twice, and would have been thrice with a competent kicker. And yes, making the playoffs is a valid measure of quality.
Tical21":3694iwl3 said:
I think there were conservatively 25 quarterbacks in the league that would have won us one ring over the past seven years with the rosters we have rolled out there.
That might be the most hilarious sentence in the history of this board. Wilson has done too much on his own on particular downs, pulled off too many stellar improvisations, shown too much accuracy, and carried too many tough games for this statement to be valid. Our elite defense wasn't saving anyone against the Steelers in 2015, or the Texans in 2017, or the Eagles in 2016. They don't carry every game.
Does anyone even remember 2013? We did not 2007-Patriots our way through that season, blasting forty-burgers left and right, steamrolling teams' will with no question of our dominance. We stumbled through it like a drunk. We almost lost at home to the winless Bucs. Nobody was thinking it was going to be a Super Bowl season until about the Saints game. Wilson's play was a big part of the game - he took a big step forward that day.
You need a complete team. That includes an elite QB.
I'd say there were maybe four QB's who could have done what Russ did. You're badly overestimating the role of the rest of the team, outstanding as they were, AND forgetting what Russ did on his own when only he could do it.