MizzouHawkGal
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McGruff":2fgm9r1i said:This happens all the time and lately it's been for pash rushers.Unless he gets out there and finds out that GB was right on the money.
McGruff":2fgm9r1i said:This happens all the time and lately it's been for pash rushers.Unless he gets out there and finds out that GB was right on the money.
Because he's a headcase.Throwdown":i4r0f5yp said:Why would anyone be excited about Cary Williams?
Hawk-Lock":iynbqycf said:Can wel all agree that Tramon Williams is better than Carry Williams?
NFSeahawks628":3nhnpkgs said:Hawkfan77":3nhnpkgs said:Just because he's asking for 5 mil doesn't mean the Hawks are giving him 5 mil...jblaze":3nhnpkgs said:Hawkfan77":3nhnpkgs said:I don't think it has anything to do with Simon, we need bodies and capable players. Simon played well before he got hurt. Can never have too many CBs
I don't know. You don't go out and give 5m/yr to a 32 year old veteran if you think your 23 yr old third year cheap CB is capable. You don't give 5m to a depth player, he would certainly start.
But they did sign Winfield to a 3 mil deal and cut him because he got beat out. They want competition.
Simon gets beat on the regular, he was fully healthy when he was letting the Patriots roast him, Carolina etc.
Throwdown":13bmsznz said:Hawk-Lock":13bmsznz said:Can wel all agree that Tramon Williams is better than Carry Williams?
I mean its not hard to be better than Cary Williams, people go at Simon for getting burned but Cary Williams is practically charred up at this point. Dude really really sucks.
Hawkfan77":347tjkb5 said:Possibly not. The Patriots signed Brandon Browner to a 3 years 16.8 million deal and also Brandon LaFell to a 3 year 9 million deal but are still projected to gain a 3rd round compensatory pick from the loss of Aqib Talib.Attyla the Hawk":347tjkb5 said:Well, he turned down 2y/8m with GB. It's pretty safe to assume it'll take 5m.
The bigger issue for me, outside of age and cost, is that signing him will negate any comp pick awarded for Maxwell. So it's like signing an old CB to a mid level contract and trading a 3rd rounder for him (assuming Maxwell gets what he's expected to). It's unlikely that we lose another qualifying UFA for comp pick consideration. So even though he'd be less valuable, the net loss would be zero. Thus no comp pick.
Attyla the Hawk":2rpknwh4 said:Hawkfan77":2rpknwh4 said:Possibly not. The Patriots signed Brandon Browner to a 3 years 16.8 million deal and also Brandon LaFell to a 3 year 9 million deal but are still projected to gain a 3rd round compensatory pick from the loss of Aqib Talib.Attyla the Hawk":2rpknwh4 said:Well, he turned down 2y/8m with GB. It's pretty safe to assume it'll take 5m.
The bigger issue for me, outside of age and cost, is that signing him will negate any comp pick awarded for Maxwell. So it's like signing an old CB to a mid level contract and trading a 3rd rounder for him (assuming Maxwell gets what he's expected to). It's unlikely that we lose another qualifying UFA for comp pick consideration. So even though he'd be less valuable, the net loss would be zero. Thus no comp pick.
It's about qualifying net gain/loss.
NE lost: Talib (9.5m), Legarrette Blount (1.9m), Brandon Spikes (3m) and Dane Fletcher (1.2m)
NE gained: Brandon Browner (5m), Brandon Lafell (3m)
NE had a net loss of 2 qualifying free agents. The way it works is two fold:
One, you have to have a net loss of UFAs.
Two, your gained UFAs cancel equal or lesser losses. In this case, Browner (5th round qualifier) and Lafell (6th round qualifier) cancel out losses of Spikes (5th round qualifier) and Blount (higher of the 7th round qualifier). Leaving Talib (3rd round qualifier) and Fletcher (7th round).
If they had signed another 5th round qualifier, that would have canceled the Fletcher comp pick.
That's why signing Tramon even at a 5th round qualifier would cancel Maxwell. Because we are unlikely to lose another qualifying UFA this year. Meaning we would fail to meet the first requirement (net loss of UFAs). Even if Maxwell is a 3rd round qualifier and we sign even a single 2m 7th round qualifying UFA -- we get nothing.
Now, if we lose Carpenter to a 3m+ deal -- that's a late 6th qualifier. Also, there is the outside chance that Jeron Johnson, T Jack and Schofield are signed for 7th round qualifier contracts.
Ultimately, if we sign a player like Tramon -- I would say that's a strong indicator that we are not interested in resigning Carpenter and are expecting to lose at least two qualifying UFAs.
Pandion Haliaetus":dhydpnmb said:But all this is moot if the Seahawks reel in a Suh or a JThomas.
joeseahawks":231olos0 said:Cary Williams gave up 3 TDs to Dez Bryant in a single game 3 months ago on Sunday Night football.
We can win a few games with this guy. I doubt we can win a SB with him. Guys like Rodgers, Romo, Brady might shred him to pieces. I don't see him being better than Simon at this stage of his career.
Maybe our coaches can fix him up. Maybe he is the best option we can afford on the market. Don't know. But the thought of having him in a big game is scary.
joeseahawks":2nst02gh said:Cary Williams gave up 3 TDs to Dez Bryant in a single game 3 months ago on Sunday Night football.
We can win a few games with this guy. I doubt we can win a SB with him. Guys like Rodgers, Romo, Brady might shred him to pieces. I don't see him being better than Simon at this stage of his career.
Maybe our coaches can fix him up. Maybe he is the best option we can afford on the market. Don't know. But the thought of having him in a big game is scary.
Bryant finished with six receptions for 114 yards. He beat cornerback Bradley Fletcher on each of the TDs.
"I just had a terrible game," Fletcher said.