Percy Harvin vs. Cordarrelle Patterson

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harvins cap hit 10m . Pattersons 1m

I'm glad we have Harvin . The only thing negative I could say about Harvin is he is eating alot of our cap.
 

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-The Glove-":epmklof2 said:
One's a proven NFL player. The other is a crapshoot. Who knows how they compare until Cordarelle gets some professional experience.
And one has Russell Wilson throwing him beautiful spirals. The other has Christian Ponder heaving passes that look like a dying fish flopping around for its last gasp.
 

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This is a non-comparison. One is an established NFL player who has the ability to become All-Pro/MVP. The other is an unknown. Just like Tavon Austin from STL, NFLN is talking this guy up like he's the next big thing. Time will tell, I can't stand the talking heads saying how great a guy is before he's even earned a game check. With that said, this years draft didn't have two top QBs that were sure fire stars or really any offensive skill players drafted in the top-10 (other than Austin), so I'm sure that's why they keep talking him up.
 

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I'll go with the consensus here. I prefer the established vet with experience with our O coordinator over a rook that will probably take a couple of years to really develop. One reason WRs don't get drafted #1 very often is that most require a couple of years to really contribute in significant ways.

The money is a concern, of course, but how much money do we need to buy high priced FAs in the near future anyway? Sure, it'll make it harder to sign/keep our vets, but every successful team has that problem.

Signing Harvin is very much a "strike while the iron's hot" philosophical statement that the team is ready, now, to challenge for the Lombardi over the next season or two. Overall, a good move IMHO.
 

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DavidSeven":6sx65f7p said:
Harvin.

Gruden ripped Patterson apart when he was drafted. JS obviously wasn't impressed with him. Tavon Austin was the only WR that JS was even willing to mention in the same sentence as Harvin. Even if Patterson eventually develops into a player, it won't be for another 2-3 years. Dude is RAW. Seattle is ready to win now. Haven't thought twice about him since the draft.
Tavon Austin is the only thing Im worried about playing the Rams. The guy is a straight up baller!!
 

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Here's the issues with Patterson:

- Perhaps the most unnatural catching technique you'll ever see. It's like a foreign art to him. Even the simple grabs he occasionally manages to contort his body into an awkward position making life difficult. Experience and coaching will help, but he's starting from scratch.

- Major concentration issues. He drifts in and out of games. There are times when you wonder if there's somewhere else he needs to be. His drop against Georgia, eliminating a sure-fire TD bomb was beyond ugly.

- Despite being a big receiver, he's delicate. Doesn't want to get rough. Doesn't compete. Awful pick-six against Akron because he rounded off a route and couldn't be arsed to go for the ball. He's not the type you throw it up to and he makes the big play in traffic.

- Character just seems... off. He might just be shy, but he's also nervous as hell in interviews and doesn't look comfortable in the spot light. Might be nothing, but worth noting.

On the plus side he is without doubt an incredible athlete who can score a touchdown or break off a huge play any time he has the ball. They might force feed him as a rookie and hope he can make huge plays, it'll help the awful Ponder but might put a lot of pressure on a guy who's maybe not ready for it. I suspect teams will get at him, push him around and he won't like it. He needs to get angry.

On the other hand, Harvin is the ultimate competitor. Always fighting, scrapping. Plays above his size.
 

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Are we really comparing a guy who has already proven what he's capable of to someone who hasn't even stepped on a football field as a pro?

Thank god the preseason is almost here.
 

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drdiags":13i4d0li said:
Thought the Vikings got bent over by the Patriots for the 29th pick, which they used on Patterson?

I would disagree somewhat. I think Belicheck made a mistake by claiming that there was no first round talent there. He did good to draft Jamie Collins OLB out of Southern Miss though and if he plays very well, it will pan out. The other 2 picks he got from Minnesota were "meh." Another 5'11" DB from Rutgers and Josh Boyce, a WR from TCU. Some people liked Boyce but from what little I saw, he was mediocre. Looks like he might get playing time this year though. Lucky him.

When Belicheck traded Seymour for the Raiders 1st round pick I came to the conclusion that he's not very good with draft picks and talent. He's a great coach but he should leave the GMing to someone else. If he would have kept Richard Seymour, they would have completed that 19-0 season. But his ego got the better of him.

So as you can see, I think the Vikings did okay to trade away those picks for a 1st rounder. The only problem is they took Patterson with it. He's a boom or bust type of player who has the physical talent but not the mental make up to get the job done. When I watched him, after every play he "sauntered" back to the huddle. I like the Golden Tate comparison because Cordarelle probably thinks all he has to do is show up, well he's going to get a rude awakening, just like Tate did.

If "CP" puts his nose to the grindstone and gets the most out of his physical talents, he could be a very good player, but I see Randy Moss attitude written all over him.

Percy Harvin is the no doubt, straight up winner in this contest and the season will open up a yawning chasm between the accomplishments of Harvin vs Patterson.

I figure it will take CP 4 years to start reaching his potential. Unless they put him at RB behind All Day, that might open things up for him, but then he'd probably just fumble the ball the first time he got hit.
 

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Patterson might be a difference maker almost immediately. IMO.. Mostly because of having to account for AP. Who knows, with the right coaching and work ethic he could be great. Good luck to him....unless it's against the Hawks.
 

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Thanks for allowing me on your message board hawks fans (vikings fan if didn't notice the nic).y

Fun debate here:

I will start with my observation of Percy Harvins Positives.
PRO:
-elite short area burst
-excellent short to medium receiver.
-good at finding spots in the zone.
-great core strength that prevents him from going down easily.
-great vision
-good at splitting defenders
-great with the ball in hands anywhere on the field.
-always fighting for the extra yard.
-able to change directions at speed.
-hard worker
-practices hard
-makes quick decisions.

Cons
-sometimes body catches the ball
-doesn't extend his arms when catching the balls
-struggles on adjusting to the football when a throw has a lot of "air" (you won't find this on utube).
-doesn't get the seperation you expect when going deep.
-does a funky basked catch on lower side balls (it looks like a High schooler when doing this).
-tends to get frustrated when not enough action comes his way
-doesn't win when fighting with CB for ball.
-drugs-suspended for a game in 2008 and tested positive at the combine.
-emotional control- junior in high school suspended for a game after getting into it with a player that was looking at him wrong. Physical contact with a ref his senior year resulting in suspension for the rest of the sporting year. Tried to choke (or sprewell) his WR coach in college that required two coaches to get him off. Threw 10 pound weight at Childress who shut weight room door avoiding getting hit. Tirade against Childress in practice. Tirade against Frazier against Seattle. tirade against Frazier in practice . (Frazier is often regarded by players and the press as the nicest guy in football)

When watching high lights of CP i am reminded of Harvin alot. However, Harvin had more polish as a route runner. CP doesn't always extend his hands out to catch the ball and let's it get in on his body. Harvin does this sometimes but not as often as CP. CP, like Harvin, can cut at speed. However, CPs cuts are more drastic and is far more willing to run east west. Almost too much. I wish Harvin would do a little more east west running and CP a little less. I also think CP adjust to deep ball better than HP does.

One of my biggest concearns with Harvin, other than the behavior and drug issues, is the contact issue. As much as I enjoy his fearless play, I would prefer to see him take less hits. As i menetioned in the cons, Harvin missed more game times than his player stats indicate. There were many times where he missed a quarter after a bruising collision. I could live with a couple yards less but being available vs. his disregard for his health. I would prefer that he would show more control and do it when it mattered most in the game or possibly save it for the playoffs. Trust me on this, many of the hawks fans will come to the same conclusion. Yes, we do have AD who lead the league with an amazing 1019 yards after contact-300 to 400 more yards than the nearest competitor. Maybe being away from the league leader in yards after contact will tamper his drive to seek contact.

I do not think that CP will be a bust. Because at the very least, he will be a top returner and run the gadget plays (short screens, reverses, and handoffs). Second, if you watch the highlights of CP, you will notice that many of the very same plays that Harvin ran under musgrave, the TNV ran. So the Percy Package will become the Patterson package (keep your minds out of the gutter;)). So, CP will be productive but it comes down to the how much. when players can change direction at speed, thy have a high degree of success at the pro level IMOP

BTW, initial reports out of our OTAs gave very positive reviews about CP. The coaches said he was farther along then they initially thought he would be and Jennings said he was impressed with CPs ability to create seperation.

I think, when you look at both are teams, that this could be a win win situation. The hawks fans feel he might be the final piece for a SB run that begins now and the vikings, despite going 10-6, are replenishing the roster and in a more building mode not a tweeking one.

It will be an interesting comparison thoghout the years. But the guy you guys need to worry about is Tavon Austin. He is on another level. However, his avoidance of hits is to the point of giving up 5-10 yards in an effort to go out of bounce. I expect a lot of trash talk from seattle about this aspect of tavon's play.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcnorth/post/_/id/55356/sport-science-cordarrelle-patterson
 

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If Patterson is really good, the Seahawks will get him in a few years. Nobody wants to re-sign there except maybe John Carlson.
 

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Thanks for stopping by Viking! I have also noticed Harvin's willingness to throw his body around, as have many on this board. I sometimes cringe watching his highlights because he is out there seeking contact on his smaller frame.
 

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Harvin no question.

This is a team that wants to be physical. Harvin fits that perfectly. Patterson shies from contact. He may look good in shorts in May, but when the pads get on and NFL corners and safeties baptize him to the big leagues, we're going to find out how much he wants to be a pro.
 

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I'd rather have Harvin. The contract you guys gave him was fair to both sides. Win for Seahawks
 

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rideaducati":148i1td2 said:
If Patterson is really good, the Seahawks will get him in a few years. Nobody wants to re-sign there except maybe John Carlson.
Is that a knock on the city of Minneapolis or the Vikings franchise?
 

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There is a deep level of hatred from some fans for the Vikings based on the poison pill they put in the contract for Steve Hutchinson which essentially guaranteed all the money if he was not the highest paid lineman on the team and if he played a certain number of games in the state of Washington. Our GM at the time gave him the transition tag which was supposed to be for him to go out and find market value. It ended up burning the Seahawks because of the crap the Vikings pulled and the arbitrator for some unknown reason ruled in the Vikings favor.

Since then we have signed Nate Burleson, Sidney Rice, Percy Harvin (Trade), Antoine Winfield, Tavaris Jackson, among others I think so we seem to sign their players once they are free to leave. I think that was the main reason for his comment.
 

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Throwdown":116raoff said:
Hey Viking, are Packers fans really THAT petty and winey?

Long before the "fail Mary", a common response to Packers is do you want some whine with that cheese?

The one quality about Packer fans that set them apart is that they think they are special. Please no jokes about special as in special ed. The fact is they've led a charmed "fan existence" and they don't deal well with a little adversity. They've had so much go their way when something doesn't turn out the way it "ought" to they lose it.

The hate for the Pete C (he should have been contrite after the win according to Packer fans) and the seahawks in general is off the charts. The lost home field advantage, yada, yada. Actually, i think the refs got it right and i was watching it live and went over it with my DVR. looked good to me :lol:

Next time packer fans say they got screwed refer to this from 2002, Monday night football.

Associated Press
MINNEAPOLIS -- The NFL acknowledged Wednesday its officiating crew made at least nine mistakes during Sunday's Green Bay-Minnesota game, including a pass interference call that negated a Vikings' interception on the Packers' game-winning drive.
The mistakes were documented in a confidential memorandum, according to several league sources.

The Vikings (3-10) lost the game 26-22 in Green Bay. Eight of the affected plays occurred in the fourth quarter, when the Packers (10-3) made up a nine-point deficit with two unanswered touchdowns.

It gained them home field advantage. Maybe it was just the karmic law.
I'm not going to respond to any more packer talk bc it will just derail this thread.
 

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TheGrandViking":3vo5iorz said:
Throwdown":3vo5iorz said:
Hey Viking, are Packers fans really THAT petty and winey?

Long before the "fail Mary", a common response to Packers is do you want some whine with that cheese?

The one quality about Packer fans that set them apart is that they think they are special. Please no jokes about special as in special ed. The fact is they've led a charmed "fan existence" and they don't deal well with a little adversity. They've had so much go their way when something doesn't turn out the way it "ought" to they lose it.

The hate for the Pete C (he should have been contrite after the win according to Packer fans) and the seahawks in general is off the charts. The lost home field advantage, yada, yada. Actually, i think the refs got it right and i was watching it live and went over it with my DVR. looked good to me :lol:

Next time packer fans say they got screwed refer to this from 2002, Monday night football.

Associated Press
MINNEAPOLIS -- The NFL acknowledged Wednesday its officiating crew made at least nine mistakes during Sunday's Green Bay-Minnesota game, including a pass interference call that negated a Vikings' interception on the Packers' game-winning drive.
The mistakes were documented in a confidential memorandum, according to several league sources.

The Vikings (3-10) lost the game 26-22 in Green Bay. Eight of the affected plays occurred in the fourth quarter, when the Packers (10-3) made up a nine-point deficit with two unanswered touchdowns.

It gained them home field advantage. Maybe it was just the karmic law.
I'm not going to respond to any more packer talk bc it will just derail this thread.
I hope you stick around
 
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