Michael Sam cut

[Marvin49]

People upset that he is not on a team seem to be ignoring that he won't play special teams.

That and he only fits specific teams.

He can't play in space or drop in coverage so he can't play OLB in a 3-4. He's undersized so he can't be a DE in a 3-4 either.

He might be able to play DE in a 4-3, but he's undersized even for that. He's a situational player. 3rd down specialist who can't play special teams.

As D.L. Hughley said recently on a Bay Area radio station...

"You can be gay and be an NFL player. What you can't be is an undersized DE who runs a 4.9".

 

[Marvin49]

oops...wrong thread

 

[Sac]

This whole Michael Sam business is just wrong.

Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year in the last decade went on to be a first (8) or second (2) round pick. Sam gets a flier on the 7th on the team with the deepest D-line in the NFL. Then he gets cut, and doesn't get called to ANY team because most front offices don't want to have to deal with the media distraction.

It's a shame, really.

 

[kearly]

Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year in the last decade went on to be a first (8) or second (2) round pick. Sam gets a flier on the 7th on the team with the deepest D-line in the NFL. Then he gets cut, and doesn't get called to ANY team because most front offices don't want to have to deal with the media distraction.

Sam was easily the least deserving player to get that award in quite some time, 2013 was a huge down year for individual defensive players in the SEC and the voters wanted to reward Missouri for their surprising season. Take away three games against cupcake opponents and Sam has 2.5 sacks in 10 games. And his combine performance was so bad that even the CFL probably wouldn't draft him.

But aside from all that, using any award to evaluate a player is pretty silly given its subjective nature. An injured Max Unger was arguably the biggest liability on Seattle's roster last year, but he was one of five Seahawks to get a pro-bowl nod in 2013.

Just because a guy got an award doesn't actually mean all that much about how good his performance level actually was. And that's not even getting into all the other great college players who didn't have NFL skillsets. Nick Reed had something like 30 sacks over his last two seasons at Oregon, etc.

 

[Popeyejones]

Still, strangely enough I kind of feel bad for him that he didn't make the roster outright. He had a decent preseason and I thought he handled the pressure he was under decently well.

He created the pressure himself. I don't feel the least little bit bad for him. I'm glad he was cut, and I hope he doesn't get picked up by anyone including the Rams (though I do think he'll end up on their PS). I've been pissed at him ever since he made his big announcement on the Thursday following our Super Bowl victory. Instead of getting to enjoy the continued coverage and rehashing of the Super Bowl, the whole NFL news cycle became Sam-I-am.

I want the first openly gay player to be successful in the NFL to be the one that says, "Yeah, I'm gay, what of it?" Not the guy who signed a deal with Oprah.

I think you're living in a fantasy world in which the first openly gay player in the NFL could just come out and there would be no response. It's bigger than just football dude, and blaming Michael Sam for that entirely misses the point.

(You're also forgetting that a plan was in the works to have a bunch of players across U.S. pro sports all come out at once so that all of the media attention didn't get foisted on one player, but it fell apart at the last minute).

 

[Hawkfan77]

This whole Michael Sam business is just wrong.

Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year in the last decade went on to be a first (8) or second (2) round pick. Sam gets a flier on the 7th on the team with the deepest D-line in the NFL. Then he gets cut, and doesn't get called to ANY team because most front offices don't want to have to deal with the media distraction.

It's a shame, really.

Were you upset when Jason White, a Heisman winner, and couldn't get signed?

Is it also a shame that Tim Tebow, the only QB under the age of 30 with a playoff win, gets blacklisted from teams in the NFL?

 

[Sac]

This whole Michael Sam business is just wrong.

Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year in the last decade went on to be a first (8) or second (2) round pick. Sam gets a flier on the 7th on the team with the deepest D-line in the NFL. Then he gets cut, and doesn't get called to ANY team because most front offices don't want to have to deal with the media distraction.

It's a shame, really.

Were you upset when Jason White, a Heisman winner, and couldn't get signed?

Is it also a shame that Tim Tebow, the only QB under the age of 30 with a playoff win, gets blacklisted from teams in the NFL?

Not upset at all. But Sam is a better player at DE than Tebow was at QB. Tebow was really really bad.

 

[Popeyejones]

Is it also a shame that Tim Tebow, the only QB under the age of 30 with a playoff win, gets blacklisted from teams in the NFL?

The only QB under the age of 30 with a playoff win? LOLWHAT?

And when was Tebow blacklisted? He had multiple chances on multiple teams and played like absolute dogsh!t.

 

[OkieHawk]

The only QB under the age of 30 with a playoff win? LOLWHAT?

And when was Tebow blacklisted? He had multiple chances on multiple teams and played like absolute dogsh!t.

What is the world coming to when I agree with a Whiner fan!? :lol:

 

[Hawkfan77]

Wow I messed up the sentence badly...

Tim Tebow is the only unemployed QB under 30 years old that is unemployed...or something like that, haha.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Wow I messed up the sentence badly...

Tim Tebow is the only unemployed QB under 30 years old that is unemployed...or something like that, haha.

I think you mean the only quarterback currently under 30 years old that won in the playoffs that's out of football. Barring injury of course.

 

[Hawkfan77]

Wow I messed up the sentence badly...

Tim Tebow is the only unemployed QB under 30 years old that is unemployed...or something like that, haha.

I think you mean the only quarterback currently under 30 years old that won in the playoffs that's out of football. Barring injury of course.

That sounds much better than what I wrote...it's been a loooooong morning.

 

[Popeyejones]

Wow I messed up the sentence badly...

Tim Tebow is the only unemployed QB under 30 years old that is unemployed...or something like that, haha.

I think you mean the only quarterback currently under 30 years old that won in the playoffs that's out of football. Barring injury of course.

Yeah, it takes a lot of disclaimers, and you have to leave out the big one:

The only quarterback currently under 30 years old that won in the playoffs and completely stunk it up and got beat out by undrafted players off the trash heap across two more organizations that's out of football. Barring injury of course.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

Wow I messed up the sentence badly...

Tim Tebow is the only unemployed QB under 30 years old that is unemployed...or something like that, haha.

I think you mean the only quarterback currently under 30 years old that won in the playoffs that's out of football. Barring injury of course.

Yeah, it takes a lot of disclaimers, and you have to leave out the big one:

The only quarterback currently under 30 years old that won in the playoffs and completely stunk it up and got beat out by undrafted players off the trash heap across two more organizations that's out of football. Barring injury of course.

Never claimed he was any good.

 

[Popeyejones]

^^^^ Oh, yeah, I know. Just having fun.

 

[Marvin49]

Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year in the last decade went on to be a first (8) or second (2) round pick. Sam gets a flier on the 7th on the team with the deepest D-line in the NFL. Then he gets cut, and doesn't get called to ANY team because most front offices don't want to have to deal with the media distraction.

Sam was easily the least deserving player to get that award in quite some time, 2013 was a huge down year for individual defensive players in the SEC and the voters wanted to reward Missouri for their surprising season. Take away three games against cupcake opponents and Sam has 2.5 sacks in 10 games. And his combine performance was so bad that even the CFL probably wouldn't draft him.

But aside from all that, using any award to evaluate a player is pretty silly given its subjective nature. An injured Max Unger was arguably the biggest liability on Seattle's roster last year, but he was one of five Seahawks to get a pro-bowl nod in 2013.

Totally agreed.

Sam was always facing an uphill climb to the NFL. Long before he was "the gay football player" he was an undersized DE who could only do one thing well.

His fate was sealed in Indy when he ran 4.9.

Its possible he can sign on somewhere and turn into a good situational player, but saying he's the SEC CoDefensive Player of the year and that somehow means he fits the bill for NFL success is rather dramatic.

How many Heisman Trophy winners were selected low or not at all and flamed out of the league without so much as a whimper. College Football and NFL Football are different games.

 

[Marvin49]

This whole Michael Sam business is just wrong.

Every SEC Defensive Player of the Year in the last decade went on to be a first (8) or second (2) round pick. Sam gets a flier on the 7th on the team with the deepest D-line in the NFL. Then he gets cut, and doesn't get called to ANY team because most front offices don't want to have to deal with the media distraction.

It's a shame, really.

Were you upset when Jason White, a Heisman winner, and couldn't get signed?

Is it also a shame that Tim Tebow, the only QB under the age of 30 with a playoff win, gets blacklisted from teams in the NFL?

Not upset at all. But Sam is a better player at DE than Tebow was at QB. Tebow was really really bad.

...and Tebow should NEVER have been drafted that high. He WAS drafted though but I don't think it's because he's straight...its because he was a QB...or at least advertised himself to be. LOL.

If Sam were a QB, this would be an entirely different story.

 

[Largent80]

Sam would fit right in in San Francisco.......Flyin that rainbow flag.

 

[Marvin49]

Looks like Cowboys are interested.

 

[Popeyejones]

Looks like Cowboys are interested.

If the Cowboys weren't interested that would be our only undebatable proof of homophobia. Their defense is that awful.


(No doubt this joke will come back to bite me when the niners put a goose egg on Sunday... )