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Dude was super over paid.. super.. getting him off the books does this team better going forward than with him and his extremely bloated contract.
hawknation2014":15l7wvu2 said:Interesting, the Jets got Percy Harvin for at most a fourth rounder.
Meanwhile, the Seahawks gave up First, Third, and Seventh Round picks and paid Harvin $18 million in signing bonus and additional salary-- $9 million of that will be dead money with much of it felt next season.
Harvin's cap hit no longer looks as bloated once you remove the prorated signing bonus and potential dead money if they decide to cut him after this season. There's no risk for them because they can cut him after this year without a dead money hit. Doubt they could have done better with a 4th Rounder. Looks like an amazing deal for the Jets and whomever their next head coach will be.
ivotuk":1lpl0r2v said:Hasselbeck":1lpl0r2v said:lol unreal. Man did the Vikes fleece us.
Really? I forget, did they win the Lombardi last year? Did those picks and all that money put a dagger in the Broncos heart at the beginning of the second half?
Percy helped us win the Lombardi, so as far as I'm Concerned, money well spent. And now we just cleared some cap space and a roster space.
hawknation2014":bwwvoiqv said:Zebulon Dak":bwwvoiqv said:Hasselbeck":bwwvoiqv said:lol unreal. Man did the Vikes fleece us.
Fleeced. All we got is a stupid Lombardi, a fulfilled lifelong dream and the memories to go along with it. And they got... wait, what did they get? :229031_confused2:
Let's be honest now. The trade for Harvin contributed more to lowering the probability of a potential dynasty (by giving up a First Round pick and $18 million and saddling the team with $9 million in dead money) than it did to winning the Lombardi.
mikeak":3j2lfasn said:hawknation2014":3j2lfasn said:Zebulon Dak":3j2lfasn said:Hasselbeck":3j2lfasn said:lol unreal. Man did the Vikes fleece us.
Fleeced. All we got is a stupid Lombardi, a fulfilled lifelong dream and the memories to go along with it. And they got... wait, what did they get? :229031_confused2:
Let's be honest now. The trade for Harvin contributed more to lowering the probability of a potential dynasty (by giving up a First Round pick and $18 million and saddling the team with $9 million in dead money) than it did to winning the Lombardi.
Where do you get $9 million dead money from?
From what I can tell Jets takes salary this year ie $7 million. That money rolls over to next year and pays the cap hit of 3/5*12million signing bonus. Basically means no extra cost over current salary due to the rollover.
If we had kept Harvin then we pay the salary this year plus dead hit of about $7million.
I love rational thought that follows a clear and concise logic.hawk45":wq6089e4 said:Zebulon Dak":wq6089e4 said:hawk45":wq6089e4 said:That's not negative. If we were talking Tate here then yeah we could say he helped greatly in getting to the dance and winning it all. That just does not hold any water with Harvin. So we gave up a lot for a little. That's just facing facts.Zebulon Dak":wq6089e4 said:You guys are so negative.
Are you seriously saying that you believe we do not win the Superbowl without Percy Harvin last year?
No, I'm saying we won it with him so looking at it any other way is fruitless and negative.
Do you have difficulty distinguishing between correlation and causation?
If Percy being here did not *cause* us to win it, then we may well have won it anyhow yet retained pieces like Red, Clem, and Tate who in fact did *cause* us to win it. Looking at it that way is actually rational and productive in that the next time you are on the verge of such a trade you look back on this as a mistake and it informs future behavior.
King Dog":39aivmoe said:So frustrating when we give up a 1st 3rd and 7th for Percy Harvin and get a 4th-6th in return. Meanwhile the 49ers give up a 6th for Anquan Boldin.
dontbelikethat":1h4tqf3i said:hawknation2014":1h4tqf3i said:Interesting, the Jets got Percy Harvin for at most a fourth rounder.
Meanwhile, the Seahawks gave up First, Third, and Seventh Round picks and paid Harvin $18 million in signing bonus and additional salary-- $9 million of that will be dead money with much of it felt next season.
Harvin's cap hit no longer looks as bloated once you remove the prorated signing bonus and potential dead money if they decide to cut him after this season. Looks like an amazing deal for the Jets and whomever their next head coach will be.
It's in all honesty a very good deal for the Jets. They pay him for this season and if he doesn't work out, all they lose is a 6th with no dead money when they cut him. If they keep him on the team...well that's another thing, but if he does make it for year 2, I'll assume that he panned out. Their team is 1-6, coach on hot seat, GM on hot seat, not much worse can happen, but we'll see. I see it as a 9 game test trial.
captSE":kaavusch said:No team is immune to draft busts. JS N PC have been pretty good at finding good people especially in later rounds.
Mojambo":31u5madp said:You're underrating Okung and Irvin, both of whom have performed at 1st round levels (Irvin only recently), IMHO.