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No... Pete Carroll saved Rusell Wilson career. No other head coach or gm would give him a shot. You know' "he's too short".
Russ Willstrong":czzkuics said:Better question is did John Schneider save Pete's career. Answer is yes.
Although Pete and RW approach the game much the same and lead with infectious optimism these two would not have come together without Schneider ' s vision. You could say RW saved Pete and vice versa but Schneider was the man who convinced Pete that Wilson was the one.
Feed the Hawk":3e81zka5 said:DavidSeven":3e81zka5 said:Feed the Hawk":3e81zka5 said:Probably Pete would still have a job, but I think his time would be growing short to build a contender. Without Wilson I don't think we had a championship caliber team.
True, but this is a fact of life in the NFL. Everything rides on your QB. Most HOF-type coaches had or have a HOF QB.
If we didn't have Wilson, we'd win less, but you would still be able to see the good things happening elsewhere. It'd be like Arians and Fisher. You can tell those guys are doing a good job, even though their QBs are holding them back. Neither of those guys are getting fired anytime soon barring a complete collapse.
Agreed. I think Fisher is a great comparison. But, I do believe Fisher needs to start showing a winning record before too long.
Yep, I was one of those pretty damn silly looking guys, but what you say is true, we already were looking at a championship caliber team.DavidSeven":z7dpgxjh said:No. Wilson was the championship piece and the guy who would help Carroll cement his legacy as Mr. "Big Balls" and a guy who operated outside conventional wisdom (e.g. the decision to start Wilson over Flynn).
But if you followed along in 2011, you saw the progress the team was making (even if that wasn't reflected in the record). We went from a team of old, soft, slow scrubs to something that was starting to look pretty bad-ass. Everyone who paid attention in 2011 knew Pete was starting to build something special.
In fact, the big criticism that Pete got when he decided to start Wilson in 2012 was that he would be "wasting a championship defense" on a rookie QB. He ended up making those guys look pretty damn silly, but the notion that he was already building a "championship team" was out there before Wilson played a snap.
The same Rams team that would have won their division in 5 or 6 of the 8 divisions in the NFL last year? Just sayin'.Seahawk Sailor":3flfhl10 said:Last year's Rams are a snapshot of what this team could have looked like circa 2012-2015 with Flynn at the helm. Killer defense, sputtering offense, and a quarterback that just doesn't get it done. Remember, as great as our team was last year with Wilson, two thirds of our losses came against division opponents, and we very nearly lost another.
Anyone here think Fisher's job is safe if they continue that trajectory?
kearly":acdpg9mx said:Seattle finished 2011 with a 5-3 record, and 2 of those losses were razor close, while the wins were blowouts. Seattle got better in 2012, so I think they would have probably had a winning season. The way that Tjack was playing in the preseason in 2013, it seriously made me wonder if Seattle might have won 13 games last year with Tjack. He looked like a franchise QB last year, albeit only in low leverage situations.
Do we win a SB without Wilson last year? That's a good debate, I think T-jack the way he was playing would have been capable with the supporting cast, but Wilson is definitely the guy you want in the postseason due to his leadership and clutch ability.
kearly":1v8kqicp said:Seattle finished 2011 with a 5-3 record, and 2 of those losses were razor close, while the wins were blowouts. Seattle got better in 2012, so I think they would have probably had a winning season. The way that Tjack was playing in the preseason in 2013, it seriously made me wonder if Seattle might have won 13 games last year with Tjack. He looked like a franchise QB last year, albeit only in low leverage situations.
Do we win a SB without Wilson last year? That's a good debate, I think T-jack the way he was playing would have been capable with the supporting cast, but Wilson is definitely the guy you want in the postseason due to his leadership and clutch ability.
ZagHawk":3j6r9nqv said:Defense will keep you in the game, but last I checked you need points to win a game. I think it's safe to say RW as QB vs Matt Flynn easily adds an extra TD every game IMO.
Regular Season games won by a TD or less
2013: 5
2012: 4
I don't think there was any game that RW lost that Matt Flynn would have won as starting QB. I think without RW as QB, we lose at least half of those games won by only a TD or less.
So that would be at best 9-7 in 2012, 11-5 or 10-6 in 2013. I forgot the wildcard scores for both years, but I'm going to assume in at least one case we miss playoffs, either way we don't win a SB, definitely not getting HFA in any of the playoff runs and therefore no deep runs either.
Yeah I think it's safe to say RW saved Pete Caroll's Job.
Hawks46":26q691cr said:Flynn isn't nearly as bad as he looked in Oakland. That team is swallowing up coaches and QBs alike.
Russ Willstrong":238iuixv said:Better question is did John Schneider save Pete's career. Answer is yes.
Although Pete and RW approach the game much the same and lead with infectious optimism these two would not have come together without Schneider ' s vision. You could say RW saved Pete and vice versa but Schneider was the man who convinced Pete that Wilson was the one.
RolandDeschain":3629foq8 said:Russell saved Pete's job the same way Broadway Joe's premature coin toss caused the Broncos to lose the Super Bowl.