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Nolan Smith with an incredible dash (4.39u) and a dominant 1.52s 10-yard split. The Seahawks have generally placed a lot of emphasis on the split in the past.

YaYa Diaby was a low-key name coming in, but he's making money moves. 6'3", 263, 33 7/8" arms. 4.51u dash, 1.56s 10-yard dash. Killing it.

Leaving off a ton of names, but feel free to add.
 
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To add to the hilariously fast speed Smith was moving, he was noticeably upset with his results when the unofficial timer noted he ran a 4.44, which would still be an impressive sprint.

When asked by the NFL Network's Stacey Dales why he was upset, he told her he "wasn't even running full speed." Smith also told Dales that he had been training in the 4.3s leading up to the combine.


 
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In a class that's really hurting for prototypical inside linebackers, Shaka Heyward just put some concerns about his speed to sleep. Weighed in at 235, with 34" arms, and ran a 4.53 with a 1.54 10 yard split.
 

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A lot of early chatter among NFL personnel about how this draft is not particularly strong at the top. The four QBs and two defensive players are exciting prospects, but there's even been some doubt about Will Anderson compared to previous top pass rushers and now the Carter thing has popped up. After those six prospects there's so little consensus at DL, CB and WR that even though everybody has their own favorite it doesn't feel like the difference is very significant. TE and RB are extremely strong but viewed as lesser importance.

This could play into the Seahawks hands if we either draft a QB or trade down with a team who wants to draft a QB, but I get the sense that staying put to draft Tyree Wilson wouldn't excite our front office at all.

Nolan Smith is one of my favorite OLB prospects due to his personality, high motor and tenacity against the run. He would bring something to OLB that I think we're missing, unlike many of the young OLB prospects who are situational pass rush specialists only at this point. I think the split may have helped him too much, as now he will likely be off the board before pick #20 and almost certainly by #37. Very high floor experienced vet. If you haven't seen the video of his Georgia teammates watching his 40, highly recommend it if you want to see how well he is regarded by his teammates.


Lukas Van Ness was a measurables winner at OLB. Measured at 6'5" 272lbs with 34" arms, only ran 4.58 but looked fluid. Huge developmental upside due to transitioning from a hockey background and only playing football for two seasons and really only the 2022 season as an edge rusher. High ceiling prospect who needs time to develop.

Not that much to learn about the ILBs today. Lots of fast athletic guys this year; twice as many ran sub 4.5 as last year. Pretty much all as expected though, and the questions around most are coverage instincts in the passing game or ability to shed blocks in the running game.

- Simpson is an amazing athlete as expected and how high he goes will depend on development projections as well as how teams are putting value on off ball LBs.
- Campbell's 37 1/2" vertical and 10'8" broad jump probably did enough to secure him an earlier second round slot given he is the obvious high production guy.
- Henley lost an inch and 10 pounds with the official measurements but met with the Seahawks and ran a 1.55 split.
- Owen Pappoe is an amazing athlete but the real questions will be the medicals which we aren't privvy to.

Day 2 is going to be an excellent opportunity for the Seahawks to add interior DL run stuffers if they want to. The bench is going to be more important than the splits, but a lot of the big guys looked more than athletic enough today. Pickens looked the most athletic out of the run stuffers to me, he and Clark both slimmed down by about 15 pounds. Cameron Young only ran the 40 for some reason. Benton didn't test well, but that's not really his game anyway.
 
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I really liked Van Ness as a potential option at #20. He is an incredibly powerful player with an impressive bull rush, and the testing really rather surprised me. Akin to Will McDonald who has been saddled with athletic but too slight during the season but has come to Mobile and Indy showing that he's got the size and measurables to stick at the NFL level.

Overall though, not really all that awestruck by the DL group as a whole. Lots of players didn't run tests due to the primetime format which kind of leaves us waiting for pro days. Overall, I think the testing numbers for the DL group overall kind of confirms what we've seen all year. Not really any blue chip DL talent in this draft class. Lots of potential but really nothing that would merit being picked in the top 10 in the average draft year.

Seems like there is a host of players that would normally be in the 12-45 overall range depending on taste. No unicorns. No outstanding tape players. Some great 40 times and some really good 10 yard splits. This class is going to require a LOT of close reviews of tape to try and explain why they didn't produce better than athletic numbers suggested they should have.

I might be in the minority, but I really expected Will Anderson to test better than he did. Not that he tested poorly. But really thought at his light weight, he would have killed it at the combine. His testing really kind of felt like par for a early/mid teens first round player. At those numbers and that weight, he's not a fit at all for a 3-4 end.

Overall though, doesn't look terrible if you're looking at day 2 for DL/Edge. Unless teams overdraft, that's kind of the sweet spot for quality for this draft. Seattle set up nicely with a couple picks in the 33-45 overall range. Good spot to double down on talent that should be similar to Mafe in quality there.
 

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A lot of early chatter among NFL personnel about how this draft is not particularly strong at the top. The four QBs and two defensive players are exciting prospects, but there's even been some doubt about Will Anderson compared to previous top pass rushers and now the Carter thing has popped up. After those six prospects there's so little consensus at DL, CB and WR that even though everybody has their own favorite it doesn't feel like the difference is very significant. TE and RB are extremely strong but viewed as lesser importance.

This could play into the Seahawks hands if we either draft a QB or trade down with a team who wants to draft a QB, but I get the sense that staying put to draft Tyree Wilson wouldn't excite our front office at all.

Nolan Smith is one of my favorite OLB prospects due to his personality, high motor and tenacity against the run. He would bring something to OLB that I think we're missing, unlike many of the young OLB prospects who are situational pass rush specialists only at this point. I think the split may have helped him too much, as now he will likely be off the board before pick #20 and almost certainly by #37. Very high floor experienced vet. If you haven't seen the video of his Georgia teammates watching his 40, highly recommend it if you want to see how well he is regarded by his teammates.


Lukas Van Ness was a measurables winner at OLB. Measured at 6'5" 272lbs with 34" arms, only ran 4.58 but looked fluid. Huge developmental upside due to transitioning from a hockey background and only playing football for two seasons and really only the 2022 season as an edge rusher. High ceiling prospect who needs time to develop.

Not that much to learn about the ILBs today. Lots of fast athletic guys this year; twice as many ran sub 4.5 as last year. Pretty much all as expected though, and the questions around most are coverage instincts in the passing game or ability to shed blocks in the running game.

- Simpson is an amazing athlete as expected and how high he goes will depend on development projections as well as how teams are putting value on off ball LBs.
- Campbell's 37 1/2" vertical and 10'8" broad jump probably did enough to secure him an earlier second round slot given he is the obvious high production guy.
- Henley lost an inch and 10 pounds with the official measurements but met with the Seahawks and ran a 1.55 split.
- Owen Pappoe is an amazing athlete but the real questions will be the medicals which we aren't privvy to.

Day 2 is going to be an excellent opportunity for the Seahawks to add interior DL run stuffers if they want to. The bench is going to be more important than the splits, but a lot of the big guys looked more than athletic enough today. Pickens looked the most athletic out of the run stuffers to me, he and Clark both slimmed down by about 15 pounds. Cameron Young only ran the 40 for some reason. Benton didn't test well, but that's not really his game anyway.


Nolan Smith the Edge is really overrated. He's not even a situational pass-rusher right now. That's how raw he is. I actually think Smith should play off-ball linebacker. He's good against the run. He'll be an elite Sam in my opinion. That being said -- you shouldn't spend a 1st round pick on a run-first defensive player. Yes...even with his elite athleticism, he is a better run defender than pass rusher.

Campbell looked really stiff running his 40 and on his highlights. I really don't think he's on the Hawks radar. Same with Sewell and the LB from Alabama. They have a long history selecting great athletes with great 40s and elite agility numbers. I can only recall KJ Wright having average testing numbers as a LB. But then again...Wright had almost 35 in arms. So I'm not going to say it will never happen but it's not likely.

It seemed like the team met with Henley at the Combine. I like him. He's fast and showed enough to be sticky in coverage at the Senior Bowl. I think he's a great candidate and I can see the team selecting him in the 2nd.
 

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Seems like there is a host of players that would normally be in the 12-45 overall range depending on taste. No unicorns. No outstanding tape players. Some great 40 times and some really good 10 yard splits. This class is going to require a LOT of close reviews of tape to try and explain why they didn't produce better than athletic numbers suggested they should have.
I agree, and it's lucky for our pick at #5 that we have four QBs in this draft plus Anderson. We shouldn't feel the need to reach for a DL and may have good trade down options if we aren't into the QB at our pick.

Campbell does look stiff at times on film, but he just ran an absolute screamer of a 3-cone at 6.74. That's a beyond elite agility number.
My worry about Campbell is that he's going to get drafted too high due to how small the list is of ILBs who look ready to play in September. His top end speed becomes important against teams like the 49ers and Rams, not that 4.65 is slow for 250lbs.

Nolan Smith ... He's not even a situational pass-rusher right now. That's how raw he is. I actually think Smith should play off-ball linebacker. He's good against the run. He'll be an elite Sam in my opinion. That being said -- you shouldn't spend a 1st round pick on a run-first defensive player. Yes...even with his elite athleticism, he is a better run defender than pass rusher.
I don't disagree, but do we really need another situational outside pass rusher?

What I see from Smith is a guy who can immediately play for us in September as a two down 3-4 OLB with extremely high intangibles. We've been trying to add tough leaders to the defensive locker room since Kam retired, mostly unsuccessfully, and Smith has phenomenal football character and leadership.

Furthermore, the extreme testing (99th percentile vert, 96th percentile broad, 99th percentile split) indicates that while he may be a run-first player as of today that isn't anywhere close to his ceiling. Most of the first round picks this year are going to be drafted based on potential rather than production, so what makes Smith different in that regard?
 

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jack campbell is rising.


naysayers will say otherwise, but i think jack campbell is a need. he's a warrior. a prototype 3-4 MLB. he won the butkus award for best LB in the country. last season our run defense was trash. it wasn't just the Dline, our 3-4 mlb were a huge part of that last season. brooks/barton were timid, always out of position, taking bad angles, not shedding blockers, and not able to take on gaps. and weren't leaders like bobby was. campbell can do all these things well. now he has assured people of his physical attributes. showed great agility and acceleration in the combine. arm length isn't great but adequate. my lazy poor man's comp is HOF LB brian urlacher. ofc he doesn't have the same ball skills or upper body strength urlacher possessed. but his agility and explosive traits actually tested better at a similar physical profile.

brian urlacher:
6'4" 258lbs
33" arms

4.57 40yd dash
1.63 10yd split
4.18 20yd shuttle
6.94 3 cone
34" vertical
10'2" broad

jack campbell:
6'5 249lbs
32" arms
4.65 40yd dash
1.59 10yd split
4.24 20yd shuttle
6.74 3 cone
37.5" vertical
10'8" broad


could he be had with pick #37? i don't even know. he may sneak into the 1st round now and even challenge trenton simpson at being the 1st mlb taken.
 

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…Or does Pete decide to just have the best CB combo in the NFL?



I'm loathe to pair Seattle with a first round CB or WR. We've had plenty of opportunities to pull the trigger and never have. I don't think that's a coincidence.
 

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…Or does Pete decide to just have the best CB combo in the NFL?



gonzalez tested incredibly well, is a modern prototype CB. should get drafted real early. but 1) i don't think PC/JS see CB as a glaring need, and 2) history shows they are more likely to go after mid-late round CB guys pete can mold like sherman and woolen.
 

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To add to the hilariously fast speed Smith was moving, he was noticeably upset with his results when the unofficial timer noted he ran a 4.44, which would still be an impressive sprint.

When asked by the NFL Network's Stacey Dales why he was upset, he told her he "wasn't even running full speed." Smith also told Dales that he had been training in the 4.3s leading up to the combine.


Smith knew the cameras were on him after his run. Drama nonsense. There is no reason not to run full speed at the combine. Smith should be an actor on daytime drama shows.
 

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gonzalez tested incredibly well, is a modern prototype CB. should get drafted real early. but 1) i don't think PC/JS see CB as a glaring need, and 2) history shows they are more likely to go after mid-late round CB guys pete can mold like sherman and woolen.
I have the same thought. For me he has been the #1 CB prospect for the Seahawks, but they never draft a CB in the first two rounds regardless how much they may like them.
 

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I agree, and it's lucky for our pick at #5 that we have four QBs in this draft plus Anderson. We shouldn't feel the need to reach for a DL and may have good trade down options if we aren't into the QB at our pick.


My worry about Campbell is that he's going to get drafted too high due to how small the list is of ILBs who look ready to play in September. His top end speed becomes important against teams like the 49ers and Rams, not that 4.65 is slow for 250lbs.


I don't disagree, but do we really need another situational outside pass rusher?

What I see from Smith is a guy who can immediately play for us in September as a two down 3-4 OLB with extremely high intangibles. We've been trying to add tough leaders to the defensive locker room since Kam retired, mostly unsuccessfully, and Smith has phenomenal football character and leadership.

Furthermore, the extreme testing (99th percentile vert, 96th percentile broad, 99th percentile split) indicates that while he may be a run-first player as of today that isn't anywhere close to his ceiling. Most of the first round picks this year are going to be drafted based on potential rather than production, so what makes Smith different in that regard?

You just sort of described Boye Mafe...Did we forget he ran in the 4.5s and had a 10-yard split in the 1.50s. He's a better pass rusher than Nolan Smith and he's already our 2 down run defender. He's not 99th percentile in anything but I just don't see how Smith fits our defense nor does his skill set make me excited. We'll basically have two Boye Mafes or two Nolan Smiths on the team...Do we really want 2 projects at Edge? Maybe it makes sense but I hope the team doesn't go in this direction early in the draft. Late pick? Fine with me.
 
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