John63
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Amazes me some will take any chance, even making stuff up to rank on our players
vin.couve12":f3ed0u4o said:Funniest response on this board in a while, I'll give you that.peachesenregalia":f3ed0u4o said:I'm not going to form an opinon until we get Anthony!'s take on it.McGruff":f3ed0u4o said:Is it possible for a player to be an excellent overall player because of advanced skills in key areas without having to be ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!!!!!! In every area?
We had a whole long winded thread about this last year about this new wrinkle after finally getting a new OC. It was stated last year unless you can show it. Unless you're talking about the line calls. That was probaby 2016, I think. We also started passing 60% of the time that year and it continued into 2017 and it was tough to watch. There was some correlation and painful growth of line protection calls while also going pass heavy...causing sort of a compound problem.John63":fdhhdqut said:vin.couve12":fdhhdqut said:The play called, the 1 run audible, and 1 pass audible per play came in last year with schottenheimer. He was starting to call line protections a few years ago and it was really really Rocky. Not sure if he's still doing that or if they cut that out. It was the center's job previous to that and that may have gone back to Britt.
That would be interesting since PC said that in 2015.
That dude is a freak. Hasn't been around. Proly locked up for stalking and stealing jockstraps.peachesenregalia":6oa1fikl said:Thank you. I always loved you best, you know.vin.couve12":6oa1fikl said:Funniest response on this board in a while, I'll give you that.peachesenregalia":6oa1fikl said:I'm not going to form an opinon until we get Anthony!'s take on it.McGruff":6oa1fikl said:Is it possible for a player to be an excellent overall player because of advanced skills in key areas without having to be ABSOLUTELY AWESOME!!!!!!!! In every area?
vin.couve12":254554c8 said:We had a whole long winded thread about this last year about this new wrinkle after finally getting a new OC. It was stated last year unless you can show it. Unless you're talking about the line calls. That was probaby 2016, I think. We also started passing 60% of the time that year and it continued into 2017 and it was tough to watch. There was some correlation and painful growth of line protection calls while also going pass heavy...causing sort of a compound problem.John63":254554c8 said:vin.couve12":254554c8 said:The play called, the 1 run audible, and 1 pass audible per play came in last year with schottenheimer. He was starting to call line protections a few years ago and it was really really Rocky. Not sure if he's still doing that or if they cut that out. It was the center's job previous to that and that may have gone back to Britt.
That would be interesting since PC said that in 2015.
John63":3hrjl90k said:McGruff":3hrjl90k said:Part of the issue is that i think reading defenses is the weakest part of Russ' game. Especially when it comes to zone.
That's funny as most experts say the opposite. Any evidence of this?
John63":3at0ukac said:Amazes me some will take any chance, even making stuff up to rank on our players
xray":1p5h0mgm said:John63":1p5h0mgm said:Amazes me some will take any chance, even making stuff up to rank on our players
Lighten up ...we're short on topics this time of year...thnx for participating . :0190l:
McGruff":1psmklw7 said:John63":1psmklw7 said:McGruff":1psmklw7 said:Part of the issue is that i think reading defenses is the weakest part of Russ' game. Especially when it comes to zone.
That's funny as most experts say the opposite. Any evidence of this?
"Most experts"?
Like, who? Name names . . .
As far evidence, I grew up learning about football during a time when you didnt need a calculator and a spreadsheet to know what was going on.
Most of the stats I see bandied about as "proof" these days are esoteric gobbledygook bent backwards and turned upside down and inside out to confirm a predetermined bias.
When all you really need is a little bit of knowledge and your own two eyes.
My criticism of Wilson has nothing to do with his decision making AFTER the ball is snapped. He is among the best ever at what happens in the chaos that ensues after "hike!"
But he struggles at times to make presnap reads, especially against zone defenses and recognizing blitzes.
xray":2bmu0hvj said:John63":2bmu0hvj said:Amazes me some will take any chance, even making stuff up to rank on our players
Lighten up ...we're short on topics this time of year...thnx for participating . :0190l:
AgentDib said:Some posters may remember there was a bit of stir about the Hawks calling a timeout last year while Russ was making last second adjustments. That led to knee jerk fan reaction at the time that the coaching staff didn't like him making adjustments, but the much more obvious explanation was that Russ was momentarily upset about needing to burn a timeout due to the play clock.
Regardless, that led to Pete talking about Russ's freedom to change the play and he went on a little tour of all the local media to repeat his message that Russ has a lot of freedom at the line of scrimmage these days. I've noticed it some but not that much and I think he usually has the option to change the play but decides not to.
My view is that reading coverage hasn't been Russ's strength so far but that it comes with time. He could have another decade in the league and I've only noticed him particularly being confused by 3-4 defenses, such as the loss to the Cardinals in 2015 following his bye week vacation. He was off balance all game but still played well enough that it came down to the wire. OTOH we finally beat the Cardinals both times last season when they switched to the 4-3 but that's a very small sample size.[
Hey...Wilson will be unleashed this season . We all want it . IMO
McGruff":3vgtuogc said:xray":3vgtuogc said:John63":3vgtuogc said:Amazes me some will take any chance, even making stuff up to rank on our players
Lighten up ...we're short on topics this time of year...thnx for participating . :0190l:
Not to mention virtually every criticism of Russ in this thread has been bracketed by the acknowledgment that he is a fantastic quarterback!
John63":ckkl1vft said:McGruff":ckkl1vft said:John63":ckkl1vft said:McGruff":ckkl1vft said:Part of the issue is that i think reading defenses is the weakest part of Russ' game. Especially when it comes to zone.
That's funny as most experts say the opposite. Any evidence of this?
"Most experts"?
Like, who? Name names . . .
As far evidence, I grew up learning about football during a time when you didnt need a calculator and a spreadsheet to know what was going on.
Most of the stats I see bandied about as "proof" these days are esoteric gobbledygook bent backwards and turned upside down and inside out to confirm a predetermined bias.
When all you really need is a little bit of knowledge and your own two eyes.
My criticism of Wilson has nothing to do with his decision making AFTER the ball is snapped. He is among the best ever at what happens in the chaos that ensues after "hike!"
But he struggles at times to make presnap reads, especially against zone defenses and recognizing blitzes.
I am glad you grew up learning about football, I did too, I also played Qb. As to expert lets start with Holmgren, Huard, Collingsworth I can go on. You said he struggles again a zone, and yet he was the highest rated against the zone i 2018 https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/08/russell-wilson-picked-apart-zone-defenses-in-2018/ FYI he is top 5 career against the zone
So again proof ?
John63":1lawu9ae said:McGruff":1lawu9ae said:John63":1lawu9ae said:McGruff":1lawu9ae said:Part of the issue is that i think reading defenses is the weakest part of Russ' game. Especially when it comes to zone.
That's funny as most experts say the opposite. Any evidence of this?
"Most experts"?
Like, who? Name names . . .
As far evidence, I grew up learning about football during a time when you didnt need a calculator and a spreadsheet to know what was going on.
Most of the stats I see bandied about as "proof" these days are esoteric gobbledygook bent backwards and turned upside down and inside out to confirm a predetermined bias.
When all you really need is a little bit of knowledge and your own two eyes.
My criticism of Wilson has nothing to do with his decision making AFTER the ball is snapped. He is among the best ever at what happens in the chaos that ensues after "hike!"
But he struggles at times to make presnap reads, especially against zone defenses and recognizing blitzes.
I am glad you grew up learning about football, I did too, I also played Qb. As to expert lets start with Holmgren, Huard, Collingsworth I can go on. You said he struggles again a zone, and yet he was the highest rated against the zone i 2018 https://seahawkswire.usatoday.com/2019/07/08/russell-wilson-picked-apart-zone-defenses-in-2018/ FYI he is top 5 career against the zone
So again proof ?