AP Comeback POY: Geno Smith

[FattyKnuckle]

It's a milestone that Russell Wilson coveted, and NEVER ACHIEVED, so it may not mean sh*t to you, but it IS A PRESTEGIOUS AWARD.
Your downplaying it doesn't make it any less a SPECIAL accomplishment to the PLAYERS all across the NFL, Don't ya just hate having an inconsequential opinion on this matter? LOLOLOLOLOL

Wilson coveted the Comeback player award?

 

[scutterhawk]

That's the thing, he didn't come back to elite numbers because he never had them in the first place to come back to. See, "back" is the key word here. You can't come back to a place you've never been. What he did do was exactly breaking out because he never had numbers close to that before and after years of mediocrity and irrelevance, he has broken out with his record setting numbers. These are literally literal definitions of words here, not emotions.

He came back from obscurity, he came back from 'This guy is a #33 of 32 teams Quarterbacks in the League, HUNDREDS of so called experts had him as a washed up 32 year-old Quarterback.
He came back from >>>LAST YEAR as a Wilson's Backup and numbers, topping the League in Completion percentages, AND, to prove that it wasn't a FLUKE, or a just a flash-in-the-pan, he PICKED UP where he left off in 2021.
He came back to EARN & >W-I-N< the >>"COMBACK PLAYER OF THE YEAR"<<

 

[FattyKnuckle]

He came back from obscurity, he came back from 'This guy is a #33 of 32 teams Quarterbacks in the League, HUNDREDS of so called experts had him as a washed up 32 year-old Quarterback.
He came back from last year as a Wilson's Backup and numbers that topped the League in Completion percentages to prove that he wasn't just a flash-in-the-pan.

I think we're operating on wildly different definitions of the word "back". What did he come back to in both of your sentences? Yes, he defied all odds and predictions and had a phenomenal year giving the finger to doubters, but what did that phenomenal year bring him "back" to? There was no plateau to reach again. His bar was always low. He didn't achieve great success, lose it for whatever reason, and then re-attain great success. This is the first time he's had it. He hasn't gotten "back" to anything, he's forging a brand new path for himself (and hopefully us). Breakout defines his season 10,000 times more accurately than comeback does.

 

[scutterhawk]

I think we're operating on wildly different definitions of the word "back". What did he come back to in both of your sentences? Yes, he defied all odds and predictions and had a phenomenal year giving the finger to doubters, but what did that phenomenal year bring him "back" to? There was no plateau to reach again. His bar was always low. He didn't achieve great success, lose it for whatever reason, and then re-attain great success. This is the first time he's had it. He hasn't gotten "back" to anything, he's forging a brand new path for himself (and hopefully us). Breakout defines his season 10,000 times more accurately than comeback does.

Maybe you should get ahold of the blokes that gave him that award and set their asses straight. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
The FACT that they gave him that award PROVES that your opinion is erroneous.
And like I said, he "CAME Back" from 2021's best Completion %s, and then Came Back in 2022 as the starter and picked up where he'd left off in 21...It's obvious that just because while sitting on the sidelines BEHIND Russell Wilson, and therefore couldn't SHOW that he had the goods until Wilson got his finger broken.
That doesn't mean that was incapable, or that he was a "Low Bar" Quarterback.
Again, your opinion runs counter to those who voted to give him that "Comeback Player of The Year" Award.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Maybe you should get ahold of the blokes that gave him that award and set their asses straight. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
The FACT that they gave him that award PROVES that your opinion is erroneous.
And like I said, he "CAME Back" from 2021's best Completion %s, and then Came Back in 2022 as the starter and picked up where he'd left off in 21...It's obvious that just because while sitting on the sidelines BEHIND Russell Wilson, and therefore couldn't SHOW that he had the goods until Wilson got his finger broken.
That doesn't mean that was incapable, or that he was a "Low Bar" Quarterback.
Again, your opinion runs counter to those who voted to give him that "Comeback Player of The Year" Award.

Oh, so the sports media are now all of a sudden the experts that you agree with? I thought most people on this board think the media's opinion on Seattle is dogcrap and not to be given a second thought. I get quantum scoliosis trying to follow you guys sometimes.

You're also still not using the word "back" correctly and based on your "writing" style I doubt you can see that. If you pick up right where you left off, you haven't made a comeback.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

Geno was a starter for two years. So he did, in fact, make a comeback.

So would you have given him the award if his stats were equivalent to his last year starting for the Jets?

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If not…you are in reality rewarding him (at least partially), for his improvement.

 

[ElvisInBlue]

It's a milestone that Russell Wilson coveted, and NEVER ACHIEVED, so it may not mean sh*t to you, but it IS A PRESTEGIOUS AWARD.
Your downplaying it doesn't make it any less a SPECIAL accomplishment to the PLAYERS all across the NFL, Don't ya just hate having an inconsequential opinion on this matter? LOLOLOLOLOL

Yes, it’s a major award indeed!

 

[Somos doces]

Here’s the basic outline: While the criteria for the award is imprecise, it is typically given to a player who shows perseverance in overcoming adversity from not being able to play the previous season, such as an injury, or for playing well in comparison to the previous year’s poor performance. If a player can come back from such adversity or play at a high level over the previous year, they will usually be favored to win the award. ...

Okay, smart guy, you may be asking once again… what did Smith actually come back from?

In August, 2015, Smith was involved in an altercation with Jets defensive end IK Enemkpali, which prevented Smith from starting the season. Ryan Fitzpatrick started that season strong, so new head coach Todd Bowles decided to keep Fitzpatrick in that role, even when Smith returned.

Smith didn’t get his next legitimate chance to start for the Jets until Week 7 of the 2016 season against the Baltimore Ravens. He suffered a torn ACL in that game, was lost for the rest of the season, and that was the end of his time with the Jets.

Smith signed with the New York Giants before the 2017 season, and outside of a weird time when he replaced Eli Manning as the team’s starter for a short time (this made him the first Black quarterback to start for the Giants, and it meant that every NFL team had finally had a Black starting quarterback at any time in their histories), he was seemingly doomed forever to the role of backup. That extended through his time with the San Diego Chargers in 2018, when he completed one pass on four attempts for eight yards.

Smith then signed with the Seahawks before the 2019 season, and competed with Paxton Lynch for the job of backup behind Russell Wilson. He was actually released and re-signed at one point, and didn’t take a single snap with Seattle that season. ...

- Essay by Doug Farrar, voter for the AP awards including Comeback Player of the Year

 

[ElvisInBlue]

- Essay by Doug Farrar, voter for the AP awards including Comeback Player of the Year

ACL is at least a nod to an injury return, but that return happened years ago.

My question above applies to Farrah’s explanation as well.

So would you have given him the award if his stats were equivalent to his last year starting for the Jets?

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If not…you are in reality rewarding him (at least partially), for his improvement.

 

[ZornLargentPatera]

I really thought McCaffery or Saquon would get it since Geno had less to "come back" too.

Yeah to me "Comeback Player of the Year" should be for guys who are rebounding from injuries. And returning to the standout ways of their pre-injury year(s).

Geno Smith had a really great year, and that's great. But what is he really "coming back from"? Being a back-up? That doesn't "really" make sense to me, so to speak.

 

[Somos doces]

... Geno Smith had a really great year, and that's great. But what is he really "coming back from"? ...

Doug Farrar, AP awards voter who opted for Geno Smith as the Comback Player of the Year, laid out his standards here:

... While the criteria for the award is imprecise, it is typically given to a player who shows perseverance in overcoming adversity from not being able to play the previous season, such as an injury, or for playing well in comparison to the previous year’s poor performance. If a player can come back from such adversity or play at a high level over the previous year, they will usually be favored to win the award. ...

In August, 2015, Smith was involved in an altercation with Jets defensive end IK Enemkpali, which prevented Smith from starting the season. Ryan Fitzpatrick started that season strong, so new head coach Todd Bowles decided to keep Fitzpatrick in that role, even when Smith returned.

Smith didn’t get his next legitimate chance to start for the Jets until Week 7 of the 2016 season against the Baltimore Ravens. He suffered a torn ACL in that game, was lost for the rest of the season, and that was the end of his time with the Jets.

Smith signed with the New York Giants before the 2017 season, and outside of a weird time when he replaced Eli Manning as the team’s starter for a short time (this made him the first Black quarterback to start for the Giants, and it meant that every NFL team had finally had a Black starting quarterback at any time in their histories), he was seemingly doomed forever to the role of backup. That extended through his time with the San Diego Chargers in 2018, when he completed one pass on four attempts for eight yards.

Smith then signed with the Seahawks before the 2019 season, and competed with Paxton Lynch for the job of backup behind Russell Wilson. He was actually released and re-signed at one point, and didn’t take a single snap with Seattle that season. ...

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Thirteen months ago, Geno was being restrained at a hospital to Get his blood for dui. Yelling at wsp officers saying they had small one syndrome. I mean, he has come a long way.

 

[knownone]

So would you have given him the award if his stats were equivalent to his last year starting for the Jets?

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If not…you are in reality rewarding him (at least partially), for his improvement.

That's impossible to answer because if we alter Geno's stats, the case for him winning the award changes relative to other candidates. So let's focus on reality and not hypotheticals.

Geno is a top 8 QB in most statistical categories. And he's the best candidate for the reward this season. And, whether people choose to admit it or not, Geno had two seasons as a starter before this season. So he did, in fact, make a comeback. And the idea that his far exceeding his previous level of play detracts from that status is ludicrous. Like, seriously, say that out loud: he can't win comeback player of the because he's better than he was before. It's absurd.

 

[keasley45]

'The National Football League Comeback Player of the Year Award refers to a number of awards that are given to a National Football League (NFL) player who has shown perseverance in overcoming adversity, in the form of not being in the NFL the previous year, a severe injury, or simply poor performance.'

i dont understand what the confusion is about. The NFLs own criteria states that the award is given to , among other criteria, players who come back from poor performance.

In Geno's case, he came back from a career of average / poor performance and being labeled as not even worthy of being given a starting opportunity in the league ever again. And with the label of 'worst starter in the league' on his back, he placed himself in MVP conversation through 9 games.

And doubly, since most of the folks here who are crictizing his achievement thought he 'sucked' last year (ie his performance in 2021 was 'poor') , the award would be especially appropriate - him coming back from poor performance the previous year.

The dude was unanimously selected for the award and still there's still questioning.

 

[Mick063]

He absolutely deserved the award. There is no controversy here. Just semantics.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

It’s ab

That's impossible to answer because if we alter Geno's stats, the case for him winning the award changes relative to other candidates. So let's focus on reality and not hypotheticals.

Geno is a top 8 QB in most statistical categories. And he's the best candidate for the reward this season. And, whether people choose to admit it or not, Geno had two seasons as a starter before this season. So he did, in fact, make a comeback. And the idea that his far exceeding his previous level of play detracts from that status is ludicrous. Like, seriously, say that out loud: he can't win comeback player of the because he's better than he was before. It's absurd.

It’s absurd, as long as you ignore the word back.

 

[scutterhawk]

Thirteen months ago, Geno was being restrained at a hospital to Get his blood for dui. Yelling at wsp officers saying they had small one syndrome. I mean, he has come a long way.

Ahh, THERE IT IS.
At least you're being honest as to why all the hate for Geno.
Him getting that award just galls the shit out of you guys...AND I LOVE IT!!!!

 

[scutterhawk]

It’s ab

It’s absurd, as long as you ignore the word back.

LOLOL Him EARNING that award Just pi$$es y'all off HAHAHAHAH I LOVE IT!!

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Ahh, THERE IT IS.
At least you're being honest as to why all the hate for Geno.
Him getting that award just galls the shit out of you guys...AND I LOVE IT!!!!

Geno himself said that he might have been out of the league.

 

[scutterhawk]

Geno himself said that he might have been out of the league.

KNOWING that you have what it takes to run with the big dogs, no, make that Knowing that you have what it takes to be the Lead Dawg, and getting zero chance to PROVE it had to be frustrating as hell for Geno...He acted out & has gotten his sh*t together since then is all I and Tens of Thousands of other Seahawks Fans give a crap about.
Ever screwed up or made mistakes in your life and wish you had a do-over for them??? No need to answer, I already know the answer to that.