10 days till trade deadline, we have 4th most money...?

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https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

The 3 teams with more cap space saved than us have a combined record of 6-13?!

I need to look at the 10 teams with the most cap space available (not including the Sehawks) to put this into context:

The record of the 10 other teams with the most cap space:

27-35

THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE 11 TEAMS THAT WAS A SUPERBOWL CONTENDER AT THE START OF THE SEASON!

Personally I would have predicted the Cleveland Browns to do better than us this season and have a much better chance to win a Super Bowl, but all those other teams are complete failures.

Why are we the odd man out with our cap space, the team that was supposed to be good but we don't spend any money???


Just get ready for vast amounts of disappointment this season, I don't think we are going to make any meaningful moves before the trade deadline.
 

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Tokadub":1qf41wm6 said:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/

The 3 teams with more cap space saved than us have a combined record of 6-13?!

I need to look at the 10 teams with the most cap space available (not including the Sehawks) to put this into context:

The record of the 10 other teams with the most cap space:

27-35

THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE 11 TEAMS THAT WAS A SUPERBOWL CONTENDER AT THE START OF THE SEASON!

Personally I would have predicted the Cleveland Browns to do better than us this season and have a much better chance to win a Super Bowl, but all those other teams are complete failures.

Why are we the odd man out with our cap space, the team that was supposed to be good but we don't spend any money???


Just get ready for vast amounts of disappointment this season, I don't think we are going to make any meaningful moves before the trade deadline.

THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE 11 TEAMS THAT WAS A SUPERBOWL CONTENDER AT THE START OF THE SEASON!

I'm not sure that everyone is going to agree with that statement. Pete Prisco had us ranked in the bottom half of the league in his preseason power rankings:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... wl-repeat/

I realize that there's all sorts of power rankings, but my point is that it was far from a consensus that had us pegged as a Super Bowl contender going into the 2021 season, certainly not to the same degree as teams like the Bucs, Chiefs, Bills, Packers, et al. Speaking for myself, I certainly didn't consider us to be a SB contender.
 

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Tokadub":lnl73rdu said:
https://overthecap.com/salary-cap-space/


THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE 11 TEAMS THAT WAS A SUPERBOWL CONTENDER AT THE START OF THE SEASON!

Thank you I needed that LOL. I haven’t bought a Sunday paper in years but this reminds me or reading the Sunday morning comics. Good times. Like years ago when we actually were a Super Bowl contender.

Again. Thanks. :D
 

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Ist great we have money, anyone really believes if they spend it, it will be something that makes a difference. We will just use that person wrong.
 

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I wouldn’t make any trades of significance. Seattle isn’t just one or 2 players away from Super Bowl contention.
It’s a lost season. Save the cap space and draft picks for future use.
 

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How much would a player like Dolphins CB Xavien Howard help improve the defense at this point?
 

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HawkFreak":16vlo4y2 said:
How much would a player like Dolphins CB Xavien Howard help improve the defense at this point?


We don't know since we have no clue how he would work in our system. Other than Deion sanders not sure any cb would do great in our system
 

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Sports Hernia":agtigujl said:
I wouldn’t make any trades of significance. Seattle isn’t just one or 2 players away from Super Bowl contention.

It’s a lost season. Save the cap space and draft picks for future use.

Outside of the division leaders, there's not many teams in the NFC that have a .500 record. The Rams are 6-1 and our opponent tomorrow night, the Saints, are 3-2, so if we win tomorrow, we could still be in the mix for a wild card. I'm saying that more to highlight the absurdity of the current playoff format if a team playing as horribly as we are still has a very viable chance at the post season than I am commenting on the quality of our team.

I agree with what you're saying regarding trades. We're not just one or two players away from Super Bowl contention, haven't been for some time. We should be sellers, not buyers.
 

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Trade RW for Deshaun Watson and throw in Adams for a 2nd round draft choice. Could Houston resist?
 

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jeremiah":376zww3i said:
Trade RW for Deshaun Watson and throw in Adams for a 2nd round draft choice. Could Houston resist?

Did everyone just forget why Watson isn't playing right now? like the dude may never play in the NFL again. Innocent until proven guilty and all that, but it's not looking very good.
 

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Yes, the Seahawks should trade. Sell, sell, sell.

They need to acquire picks!

Trade Duane Brown, trade Quandre Diggs, trade Carlos Dunlap, and trade anyone that has any value that will not be on the team next year.

Creating even more cap space, and more draft picks to build with next year.

Pete Carroll must retire, or get fired for this plan to work. If he is still here it will not matter what is done.
 

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jeremiah":wkl6jgyt said:
Trade RW for Deshaun Watson and throw in Adams for a 2nd round draft choice. Could Houston resist?
Ahh besides that fact he will probably be in jail or suspended. U do know his cap hot next year is over 40 mil right. No thank you.
 
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RiverDog":20kewt3q said:
THE BIG DIFFERENCE HERE IS THAT WE ARE THE ONLY ONE OF THOSE 11 TEAMS THAT WAS A SUPERBOWL CONTENDER AT THE START OF THE SEASON!

I'm not sure that everyone is going to agree with that statement. Pete Prisco had us ranked in the bottom half of the league in his preseason power rankings:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl- ... wl-repeat/

I realize that there's all sorts of power rankings, but my point is that it was far from a consensus that had us pegged as a Super Bowl contender going into the 2021 season, certainly not to the same degree as teams like the Bucs, Chiefs, Bills, Packers, et al. Speaking for myself, I certainly didn't consider us to be a SB contender.

Well I would personally agree with Pete Prisco even though I know nothing about him and his accuracy predicting stuff throughout his career. I PREDICTED WE WOULD BE 7-10 THAT WAS MY GUT INSTINCT! I re-evaluated their schedule a few days later and I could see a chance for 8-9 or even 9-8 although that last result seemed the least likely.

But I just spent a few minutes looking at the "Power Rankings" for the start of this season.

Preseason:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...lus-players-coaches-general-managers-hot-seat

https://bleacherreport.com/articles...s-where-does-every-team-stand-entering-week-1

ESPN and Bleacher Report thought we were #8 in preseason.


Week 1:

https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...ankings-where-teams-sit-after-week-1/2799608/

NBC thought we were #4


https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...rankings-week-1-packers-cardinals/8329225002/

USA today thought we were #6


https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-power-rankings-week-1-buccaneers-chiefs-begin-2021-season-on-top

NFL.com thought we were #7



I could go on and on, but it's not necessary. I predicted we would be way worst than any of these publications. BUT the fact remains if all these "experts" think we are top 4-8 throughout preseason and after week 1 then WHY ARE WE NOT SPENDING ANY MONEY?


Top 8 teams have at least a shot to win it all imo, it's the NFL. Do I agree we were top 8 at the start of the season? NO, but we are sitting on so much money I don't think we'll ever know the potential of this season.
 
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I donno... at the end of the day I would rather spend money this season when we have Russell Wilson (even if he's currently injured).

It seems pointless to save money for a season he might not even be here.

I would of loved them signing KJ Wright.

I would of loved keeping Josh Gordon because we stuck with him for so long and we desperately need a 3rd down receiver... I guess Kansas City is a mess though so maybe I would be wrong on that one if they can't use him. (I'm truly dumbfounded what's going on with Josh Gordon there he had 1 target 1 reception for 11 yards and not another target??? hmm... Maybe Andy Reid is finished as a coach too).

I would of loved maybe even signing Golden Tate. He's better than our #3 receiver that's for sure.

I would of loved them to somehow trade Jamal for some draft picks (or good player(s) before everyone saw how bad he is this season).


But after all those ideas... the most realistic thing we could of done is sign KJ Wright, attempt to trade Jamal Adams (what if we got a good player or 2 for him???), that's possible...

And then after that we would still have a few million to try to shore up weakness like Offensive Line, Cornerback etc.


It's not an easy road to take... but I think once Russell is gone there will be no road any time soon. I'm not sure if he'll leave this off-season but that seems to be what is happening based on our teams decisions.
 

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jeremiah":1hs0oz4f said:
Trade RW for Deshaun Watson and throw in Adams for a 2nd round draft choice. Could Houston resist?
NFL hasn’t punished Watson yet for his off field allegations with numerous women, and Russ has a no-trade clause.
 

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Fade":1gx5n2e2 said:
Yes, the Seahawks should trade. Sell, sell, sell.

They need to acquire picks!

Trade Duane Brown, trade Quandre Diggs, trade Carlos Dunlap, and trade anyone that has any value that will not be on the team next year.

Creating even more cap space, and more draft picks to build with next year.

Pete Carroll must retire, or get fired for this plan to work. If he is still here it will not matter what is done.


Pete doesn't possess the self awareness nor the humility it'd take to be a seller, his eternal optimism makes him think we're contenders no matter what's going on.

It's why we keep trading away picks for what Pete considers difference makers, when in reality all we've been trading away top picks for the past 5-6 years is to plug into positions of need because Pete and John have been horrendous at finding those difference makers in the draft.
 

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Sports Hernia":1x6h0nze said:
jeremiah":1x6h0nze said:
Trade RW for Deshaun Watson and throw in Adams for a 2nd round draft choice. Could Houston resist?
NFL hasn’t punished Watson yet for his off field allegations with numerous women, and Russ has a no-trade clause.

Yup.

Besides, the Dolphins and Texans have been in talks about a possible Tua for Watson trade.
 

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Sgt. Largent":2rv2r1xf said:
Fade":2rv2r1xf said:
Yes, the Seahawks should trade. Sell, sell, sell.

They need to acquire picks!

Trade Duane Brown, trade Quandre Diggs, trade Carlos Dunlap, and trade anyone that has any value that will not be on the team next year.

Creating even more cap space, and more draft picks to build with next year.

Pete Carroll must retire, or get fired for this plan to work. If he is still here it will not matter what is done.


Pete doesn't possess the self awareness nor the humility it'd take to be a seller, his eternal optimism makes him think we're contenders no matter what's going on.

It's why we keep trading away picks for what Pete considers difference makers, when in reality all we've been trading away top picks for the past 5-6 years is to plug into positions of need because Pete and John have been horrendous at finding those difference makers in the draft.

The age of our Head Coach leads him to believe "this is his last shot" every year. He is like a gambler at the casino, looking to put his entire effort into getting back the money (Super Bowl) that he lost, or the SB that he should have gone to. He doesn't realize that his slack attitude to time management, wasting of time outs, no punishments for penalties, even during games bring no punishment. Give me a screamer on the sidelines, PC is a stroker. As in stroke and love and caress his "men". When in the past, he could have fixed the offsides, the false starts, and the taunting penalties with a stern approach. Take away the loud music at practice, and give me the sounds of coaches correcting. Take away the rah rah rah sidelines demaanor, and give me a Belichick or a Holmgren. Petes style cannot win long term, it is proven.

The same goes for a stern coach who begins losing his players, a looser hand often gives them a boost to a previous plateau of excellence. IT IS JUST TIME.....
 

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You can have all the cap space in the world, but if you don't have draft pick capital to go get those players, then it doesn't matter does it?

As Fade said, we should be sellers, not buyers. But that's not going to happen either. We'll just keep running around the mediocrity middle track.
 
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