Geno Isn't the Guy. Sad to Say (Main)

[BASF]

Especially when you look at Seattle's Salary Cap situation in 2024. They are for all intents and purposes capped out already for next year. They are going to have to cut/trade some guys, just to retain their own coveted Free Agents, let alone shop for upgrades.

Same thing was said about this season during last season. There was a lot of hand wringing about being able to resign guys we let go. There was a lot of hand wringing about bringing in free agents. Yet, we have a much better defense this season without the people our fans were worried about getting rid of. These people are paid to work the salary cap (which you have said doesn't matter for years now).

 

[keasley45]

Same thing was said about this season during last season. There was a lot of hand wringing about being able to resign guys we let go. There was a lot of hand wringing about bringing in free agents. Yet, we have a much better defense this season without the people our fans were worried about getting rid of. These people are paid to work the salary cap (which you have said doesn't matter for years now).

Yup. I also remember a lot of annointing the Rams the king of the cap for how adept they were at handling things. And keeping their team stocked and ready to win every year....

Crickets.

 

[keasley45]

Our FO -GM, personnel dept and coach are regarded around the league as one of the absolute best at navigating the cap and maintaining talent. Have no doubt they'll do it again in 24, even if some faces change. That's the way of it.

 

[Natethegreat]

Geno has appeared to have issues at times this season.Having said this , I still think he hasn't reached his peak . As fans , we're coming into a stretch where these questions will be answered. Where are you guys at as fans if they go 4-1 or 3-2 over the next 5 weeks?
While I was upset over different things the Seattle Seahawks compiled a 5-2 record and the NFC West lead. That's with Geno Smith not 100% . Yet I watched Richard Shermans podcast after the Cleveland game and #25 is profusely praising Smith !!

What?

I'm going to respectfully throw this out there . Richard MF Sherman probably knows more than anyone on .net and Sherman isn't the only one. Could it be that some of us are a little more critical than others with more insight?

I'm guilty of being critical but I cheer every Sunday for the dudes wearing Seahawks gear.

Richard Sherman has an ego the size of Texas and is hardly a neutral observer when it comes to all things Seahawks QB related. He absolutely hates Russ and is naturally pumping up his successor who was pretty good last year and is playing somewhat poorly this year imo. Using Sherman's words as some sort of unassailable barometer of Geno's play is silly.

 

[WarHawks]

When I started watching football, 55% completion and 1/1 TD/INT ratio meant you had a really good QB.

They had football in the 1920's? Hehe Sorry, couldn't resist. Too easy.

 

[renofox]

They had football in the 1920's? Hehe Sorry, couldn't resist. Too easy.

Born in the 50's. By the time the Super Bowl Era came around, I had been playing for 3 years and was a radical and diehard fan of the new NFL.

 

[morgulon1]

Richard Sherman has an ego the size of Texas and is hardly a neutral observer when it comes to all things Seahawks QB related. He absolutely hates Russ and is naturally pumping up his successor who was pretty good last year and is playing somewhat poorly this year imo. Using Sherman's words as some sort of unassailable barometer of Geno's play is silly.

You pretending to think you're in the same hemisphere as a potential HOF cornerback is silly.

See how that works ?

I was simply pointing out the fact people weren't as discouraged by Geno Smith's play as some of the experts on .net , you appear to think I was endorsing Sherman as the final word. Please read my posts closer before insulting them.

I know Smith can play better and I hope he does . I want him to lead the Seahawks to a championship. I know I have NOTHING to do with the decisions the FO makes regarding players but like others , I like to talk about it.

Why can't people be nice on this board ?

 

[toffee]

I became a Geno fanboy when he sub for Wilson in that Ram's game, and have been a fanboy every since. But I have to say that Geno has been trending downward more or less since the Lions' game. Great QBs have bad games, just that they don't have a stretch of bad games. Our Geno need to play better, play like the first half of last year for us to have a chance at super bowl this year.

 

[Natethegreat]

You pretending to think you're in the same hemisphere as a potential HOF cornerback is silly.

See how that works ?

I was simply pointing out the fact people weren't as discouraged by Geno Smith's play as some of the experts on .net , you appear to think I was endorsing Sherman as the final word. Please read my posts closer before insulting them.

I know Smith can play better and I hope he does . I want him to lead the Seahawks to a championship. I know I have NOTHING to do with the decisions the FO makes regarding players but like others , I like to talk about it.

Why can't people be nice on this board ?

My post was not meant as an attack on you at all. Not sure why you came back with such an angry reply. Perhaps you can look at your own post and apply the same logic to yourself maybe?
I'm referring to this statement made by you. "
I know I have NOTHING to do with the decisions the FO makes regarding players but like others , I like to talk about it.
Why can't people be nice on this board ?"

You stated Richard Sherman knows more than we do. Perhaps he does, but I was merely pointing out he is far from a neutral observer and that can really affect his observations on what Geno Smith is as a QB at this point.

 

[morgulon1]

My post was not meant as an attack on you at all. Not sure why you came back with such an angry reply. Perhaps you can look at your own post and apply the same logic to yourself maybe?
I'm referring to this statement made by you. "
I know I have NOTHING to do with the decisions the FO makes regarding players but like others , I like to talk about it.
Why can't people be nice on this board ?"

You stated Richard Sherman knows more than we do. Perhaps he does, but I was merely pointing out he is far from a neutral observer and that can really affect his observations on what Geno Smith is as a QB at this point.

Ok. fair enough. Maybe I took your response the wrong way. I can admit that.
I apologize. I just didn't like my post labeled as silly. Sherman definitely has an axe to grind, that's pretty evident and I can see why. I would too if I were him. Right or wrong. Only my opinion.

I thought my original post was fairly neutral, stating that while we as fans are making a big deal over his play , people (other than Sherman) aren't ready to demote,trade or cut him . I think he's going to have a good game Sunday.

 

[Natethegreat]

I think Geno has some really good qualities. Strong arm, he is accurate and uses the whole field when he isn't pressured, the offense can really work on schedule when everything is going right.
He kind of reminds me of Jared Goff but with an ability to run.
He also loses his cool, struggles with pressure, and is turnover prone. Those are pretty big negatives for a QB.
I feel we should be drafting a QB. In fact I think we should take regular stabs at it. But I don't think that's what Pete wants. He is all in now and we can see that with the trades this year and the last few years.
Personally I don't see Geno as a super bowl winning QB but I hope he proves my doubts wrong. I'll be rooting for him.

 

[Fade]

Yup. I also remember a lot of annointing the Rams the king of the cap for how adept they were at handling things. And keeping their team stocked and ready to win every year....

Crickets.

They still are kings of the cap.

The Rams didn't fall apart from the salary cap. They fell apart from trading away most of their draft capital for 7 years. Then all of their top paid players on, a top heavy roster got injured last season.

At that point they decided to do a reset.

Once they build a nice core through the draft, they will repeat the formula once again, and stack the deck to give themselves the best chance to win another Super Bowl.

The Seahawks don't roll like that. They are very conscious about kicking the can down the road. To the point that they won't even sign their best players to no longer than 4 year deals, which creates higher cap hits for them (less years to spread the money out).

 

[morgulon1]

I think Geno has some really good qualities. Strong arm, he is accurate and uses the whole field when he isn't pressured, the offense can really work on schedule when everything is going right.
He kind of reminds me of Jared Goff but with an ability to run.
He also loses his cool, struggles with pressure, and is turnover prone. Those are pretty big negatives for a QB.
I feel we should be drafting a QB. In fact I think we should take regular stabs at it. But I don't think that's what Pete wants. He is all in now and we can see that with the trades this year and the last few years.
Personally I don't see Geno as a super bowl winning QB but I hope he proves my doubts wrong. I'll be rooting for him.

Right on. I agree in that Seattle should have always been looking at QBs to develop.
I think I read that's what Schneider likes to do (from his time in GB) but the last guys
fragile psyche couldn't handle the threat. At the very least , you have trade material.
I really don't know but I could see Seattle preparing for the future as soon as this next draft.

 

[Fade]

Same thing was said about this season during last season. There was a lot of hand wringing about being able to resign guys we let go. There was a lot of hand wringing about bringing in free agents. Yet, we have a much better defense this season without the people our fans were worried about getting rid of. These people are paid to work the salary cap (which you have said doesn't matter for years now).

Yes, because the casual audience thinks that when players sign their big deals they will have a cap hit that matches their APY in their 1st year. Which is not the case. 1st year cap hits are low.

Even in knowing this, the Seahawks have already spent next years cap this year, and will now have to move some quality players off of their roster to create more room. Or the QB, and go lower cost at the position.

 

[Ozzy]

Right on. I agree in that Seattle should have always been looking at QBs to develop.
I think I read that's what Schneider likes to do (from his time in GB) but the last guys
fragile psyche couldn't handle the threat. At the very least , you have trade material.
I really don't know but I could see Seattle preparing for the future as soon as this next draft.

Props to both do you guys for working it out, rarely happens on the internet lol

 

[Maelstrom787]

Right on. I agree in that Seattle should have always been looking at QBs to develop.
I think I read that's what Schneider likes to do (from his time in GB) but the last guys
fragile psyche couldn't handle the threat. At the very least , you have trade material.
I really don't know but I could see Seattle preparing for the future as soon as this next draft.

I'm one of the bigger Geno fans on the board, but I've always been realistic about the situation. They should absolutely be looking for quarterbacks constantly with an eye to the future. Need a succession plan for after this contract (or whenever the most reasonable out is).

I'd endorse the usage of any capital needed to make that happen if they believe in an attainable prospect.

 

[Maelstrom787]

They still are kings of the cap.

The Rams didn't fall apart from the salary cap. They fell apart from trading away most of their draft capital for 7 years. Then all of their top paid players on, a top heavy roster got injured last season.

At that point they decided to do a reset.

Once they build a nice core through the draft, they will repeat the formula once again, and stack the deck to give themselves the best chance to win another Super Bowl.

The Seahawks don't roll like that. They are very conscious about kicking the can down the road. To the point that they won't even sign their best players to no longer than 4 year deals, which creates higher cap hits for them (less years to spread the money out).

I think there is something to be said for how Seattle does it, as overly conservative as it may feel sometimes.

I like the idea of always having a competitive team, rather than selling out with the implicit acknowledgement of it all falling apart and having lame duck years between runs. Selling out doesn't always work. As much as I respect the hell out of McVay and especially Snead's work, there's such a large degree of variance and chance to this that I don't think you even bat .500 at bringing home a championship per championship window following the Rams model.

Seattle's goal isn't a single-season minmax, it's the "win forever" mantra. I enjoy having a chance every year, and I think it's critical to the ethos of the organization.

That said, organizations should do what works with the skillsets and philosophies of their decision-makers. If you've go go-getters like Snead and McVay, I wouldn't want them to fight against their instinct. Uncertainty = loss.

 

[TheLegendOfBoom]

I think there is something to be said for how Seattle does it, as overly conservative as it may feel sometimes.

I like the idea of always having a competitive team, rather than selling out with the implicit acknowledgement of it all falling apart and having lame duck years between runs. Selling out doesn't always work. As much as I respect the hell out of McVay and especially Snead's work, there's such a large degree of variance and chance to this that I don't think you even bat .500 at bringing home a championship per championship window following the Rams model.

Seattle's goal isn't a single-season minmax, it's the "win forever" mantra. I enjoy having a chance every year, and I think it's critical to the ethos of the organization.

That said, organizations should do what works with the skillsets and philosophies of their decision-makers. If you've go go-getters like Snead and McVay, I wouldn't want them to fight against their instinct. Uncertainty = loss.

I agree.

That “selling out” and going all in with all your marbles in with all draft capital traded is high risk and although high reward.

I like the idea of fielding a year to year competitive team with draft capital in hand solely on the basis of this is a physical game and each week players go down and coaches get outcoached.

You can have the “greatest” collection of players but that doesn’t guarantee each week they play with the same intensity and drive every single snap.

That’s what creates the parity in the NFL.

Even the greatest Seahawks teams lost games because they didn’t play with the same motivation every week.

And this is what matters most if you go “all in” and trade for what you believe are “elite echelon” players and then trade your 1st and 2nd round picks to acquire certain players. And then you have to pay those players because it wouldn’t justify trading all that capital for them if you do not extend them. They aren’t 2 year rentals, cause the price you gave up is too much.

I much rather prefer, take your draft picks, coach them up, and hopefully the talented players you drafted further develops into the next generation of stars, etc etc.

I think Seattle with Carroll and Schneider can do it again. They just gotta “hit” on a future young QB that fits what Carroll likes to do and Seattle has proven they can rebuild a run game and a defense, and if they get the cherry on top, QB, they can win without selling their entire draft stock.

Whether or not, Geno Smith, is the QB, when Seattle wins the Super Bowl (if) is somewhat irrelevant cause, the front office as shown, they can strike gold again with drafting and Seattle should stay in contention for winning the division as long as Carroll and Schneider continue to draft well and make good trades and free agency moves, etc…

 

[knownone]

If we look at regular season wins, there's not much difference between the Seahawks and Rams since McVay took over. I mean, both teams have exactly 63 wins.

Playoffs and Super Bowls are another story. But it's worth remembering Seattle was at the end of their run by 2017 and in a pretty unfortunate cap situation due to career-ending injuries.

 

[acctingman]

Please.....please, draft another QB. Geno is crap