Lance traded to Cowboys

[RiverDog]

That's excellent. One thing I would like to add , is where and who the prospect played college football. He wasn't testing the world a new ass at North Dakota.

How the hell did they think he was going to get to the NFC West without problems?

Yup. That's another flag that went unheeded. Level of competition matters. 17 games at the FCS level justifies trading 3 #1's and a #3 to move up nine spots and select him at the #3 overall?

To be fair to Lance and the Niners, his injuries limited his number of opportunities. In the only full game he started last year, the opener at Chicago, was a huge quagmire and would be challenging for the most versatile of quarterbacks, then he gets injured in his next game against us.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

The Cowboys will fire this guy for Lance.

 

[bileever]

Bill Barnwell of ESPN is not my favorite writer--he gets a lot of things wrong. But his lambasting of the 49ers over Trey Lance is entertaining:

Barnwell: How the 49ers got it wrong with Trey Lance, and why the QB's fit in Dallas is confusing

The 49ers' 2020 trade for Trey Lance can now be considered a disaster. Here's why it will have ramifications for years to come.

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[SantaClaraHawk]

Bill Barnwell of ESPN is not my favorite writer--he gets a lot of things wrong. But his lambasting of the 49ers over Trey Lance is entertaining:

Barnwell: How the 49ers got it wrong with Trey Lance, and why the QB's fit in Dallas is confusing

The 49ers' 2020 trade for Trey Lance can now be considered a disaster. Here's why it will have ramifications for years to come.

www.espn.com

I think Ks/jl started to lose faith by late 2021 and just now have admitted that It’s dumb to snow fans. You would seriously have to believe in Santa as @Marvin49 apparently does to not have seen the Niners marketing snow job vs actual reality.

They had announced Lance would start 2022 as the starter, paying Nate Sudfeld 2m guaranteed to be qb2, with Garoppolo off working to the side and excluded from meetings. Something Made them decide to pay this Person they had so visibly shunned. Call it instinct, call It first inklings. And while fans did not gloat over the injury, most were relieved that Jimmy would be taking over As of week 2, gaining enough success to inspire the cmc trade. Lance wouldn’t have had the team in contention to have made the attempt in October.

But they had to keep snowing the fans on how Trey was present In meetings with his scooter and his motivational insight As a leader When the whole point is he allegedly needs reps, not reinforcement as a coach.

 

[Jville]

All's well that ends well.

Nothing to complain about or gloat over.

Smiles all around ......

 

[Weadoption]

I think Ks/jl started to lose faith by late 2021 and just now have admitted that It’s dumb to snow fans. You would seriously have to believe in Santa as @Marvin49 apparently does to not have seen the Niners marketing snow job vs actual reality.

They had announced Lance would start 2022 as the starter, paying Nate Sudfeld 2m guaranteed to be qb2, with Garoppolo off working to the side and excluded from meetings. Something Made them decide to pay this Person they had so visibly shunned. Call it instinct, call It first inklings. And while fans did not gloat over the injury, most were relieved that Jimmy would be taking over As of week 2, gaining enough success to inspire the cmc trade. Lance wouldn’t have had the team in contention to have made the attempt in October.

But they had to keep snowing the fans on how Trey was present In meetings with his scooter and his motivational insight As a leader When the whole point is he allegedly needs reps, not reinforcement as a coach.

i think your are right but would point out that a snow job is what any NFL team would do under the same set of circumstances, they aren’t going to publicly criticize their investment regardless of what their internal deliberations consisted of regarding his play. I have no doubt at some point early on in his first NFL camp Kyle had an inner WTF moment when Lances rawness really started to show up on the field in live action. He had to have, because he looks similar to the same guy when we drafted him even today. No team has ever given up on an investment that large and they admitted straight up yesterday. Was stunning to see execs say we messed up like that. That scar will never go away career wise, but honestly I still like the risk taking mentality of the trade up to get Lance. I hope they keep swinging it that way, scared money don’t win sort of thing.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Dallas has the same contender window as sf, meaning they’re as unable to give him reps.

 

[rupert J]

I love to loathe the Niners with all my heart, and they wasted picks, but really until they stop winning the division and making it deep into the playoffs, y'all have to stop saying they failed.

 

[CactusJack]

I love to loathe the Niners with all my heart, and they wasted picks, but really until they stop winning the division and making it deep into the playoffs, y'all have to stop saying they failed.

It hasn't bitten them in the ass yet. But it's completely fair to call it a failure on their part.

Well, in every way, this deal was a disaster. The 49ers sent three first-round picks to move up from No. 12 in the 2021 draft, throwing in a third-round selection for good measure. Even given that the Niners were successful in 2021 and 2022 and sent over the 29th picks in consecutive drafts, this is an enormous amount of draft capital. By the draft chart derived from historical data by Chase Stuart, they sent the equivalent of the first and 19th overall picks in a typical draft to acquire Lance. A team can't make a trade like that unless it's adding a player at a premium position and is sure it's going to work out. It clearly didn't for the 49ers.

Landing Purdy looks like a very shrewd move on their part. But that doesn't dismiss the absolute whiff that was the Lance acquisition. The amount of draft capital that was thrown away essentially. Which could have been used to further shore up the roster.

 

[rupert J]

It hasn't bitten them in the ass yet. But it's completely fair to call it a failure on their part.



Landing Purdy looks like a very shrewd move on their part. But that doesn't dismiss the absolute whiff that was the Lance acquisition. The amount of draft capital that was thrown away essentially. Which could have been used to further shore up the roster.

No. Purdy won, until he doesn't win, I don't see your point.

 

[rupert J]

can't the Niners fans say the same thing about the Jamal trade?

 

[CactusJack]

No. Purdy won, until he doesn't win, I don't see your point.

The Lance experiment was a poor one. It was also costly (draft capital).

Purdy does not factor in here. It's a different topic entirely.

The acquisition of Lance itself, didn't work out. It's that simple.

 

[CactusJack]

can't the Niners fans say the same thing about the Jamal trade?

Sure. The trade for Jamal hasn't worked out. It was a bad deal in hindsight.

 

[BlueTalon]

Three firsts and a third to move up 9 spots to take him with the #3 overall and they bail after two years getting a measly 4th round pick in return. That sort of puts our trade for Adams in perspective, doesn't it?

Misery loves company. I can just imagine John Lynch and John Schneider sitting in a bar with tears in their beers. Schneider will probably have to pay for the first round.

I doubt John Schneider is crying in his beer. Maybe before the Russ-to-Denver deal, but not after.

 

[hgwellz12]

The Cowboys will fire this guy for Lance.

Well, they aren't winless in the playoffs since VHS tapes were poppin' because they are lead by football geniuses.

 

[hgwellz12]

can't the Niners fans say the same thing about the Jamal trade?

Jamal was an exciting, dynamic ALL-PRO when we traded for him. None of what followed after was predictable. You better be somewhere working as an acquisition consultant for professional teams everywhere if you foresaw Jamal’s outcome.

With Trey, just wtf was the tangible upside to giving away ALL that capital for a player like Lance? Realistically. Weirdest transaction in history, for my money.

 

[RiverDog]

I doubt John Schneider is crying in his beer. Maybe before the Russ-to-Denver deal, but not after.

True, but likewise, Lynch could point to taking Brock Purdy as the last player selected in the draft. I think both of them needed those victories in order to dry their eyes from their previous blunders.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Last Dec, Trey was asked what Brock taught him, which was to treat every player including ps as “Nick Bosa.” Brock was rooming With a practice squadder and someone elevated From it, and that came natural to him.

Despite running scout team for a year, tho, Trey did not absorb that. He was All about the 1s and being associated with them, all about his sleep number ad, all about saving face as rw did.

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Peter King today noting that the decision wasn’t Darnold but Brandon Allen


I don’t like San Francisco dealing Trey Lance for a fourth-round pick—likely, a very late fourth-round pick. I understand why it happened; the Niners get a breath of fresh air without the ignominy of a horrible 2021 draft trade and pick hanging over their heads during what they think could be a championship season. They get to move on and drive for a Super Bowl without the black cloud of the Lance failure hanging over their heads. But -- and this is a gigantic but -- I wrote last week that Kyle Shanahan has had to use three quarterbacks due to injury in four of his six years as coach. This trade means he’s more comfortable with the three of Brock Purdy, Sam Darnold and Brandon Allen (2-7 with 56.7 percent accuracy in four seasons) than Purdy, Darnold and Lance. I really don’t get that. …

All true. But coaches are paid to be problem-solvers. Shanahan’s been a good one. With what’s at stake, it stuns me he’d rather have Brandon Allen as his insurance policy than the guy he judged to have franchise talent two years ago. If I’m a Niners fan, it worries me too. This feels too knee-jerk, impatient to the max. And it puts tremendous pressure on Purdy to play as he did in his magical eight-game run last season. To me, this was a trade that didn’t need to be made. And shouldn’t have been made.

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[SantaClaraHawk]

Cowboys clearly traded for Trey Lance with an eye toward Dak Prescott's future

Jerry Jones tried a little too hard to throw dirt on the trail.

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