Pete or McVay as HC?

[Shanegotyou11]

So let me get this straight, you ask the community a question, and I answer the question (btw i usually like to give the pot stirring type responses just to make the conversation interesting) and then bash my response? How rude!

That being said, give me Mcvay. He's a QB whisperer. He's an offensive guru.

No i answered your reply with a factual reply. I was not being rude.

6 points in a superbowl. Goff better in detroit then with mcvay. Guru.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

pretty sure my adjectives summed it up well in succinct fashion.

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[Shanegotyou11]

Nothing wrong with doing everything he can to win a ring. Even if that means trading picks and giving big contracts.

Seattle did that too.

What’s the difference?

McVay did and he got a ring.

Carroll did it and got a ring.

As long as you get a ring in the process, it was all worth it.

You know the Niners are attempting to the same. We’ll see how far they can actually get.

McVay is a young guy and wants to spend time with his young kids. I totally understand stepping away right now. He has young children and accomplished his goal in the NFL.

Why can’t he step away for now?

I don’t get the let’s bash McVay even or just cause we are Seahawks fans.

Is he really so bad of a guy?

Let the man be with his children and stop trying to make it something it’s not.

He is leaving only because he does not want to be part of the rebuild. That has been the leaked reports. They did not say because of anything else.

So, he got the fanbase and himself a ring which is awesome. He also looks to be quitting when times get tough. Both can be true.

I dont hate anyone. I just think its funny how much McVay was worshipped here compared to Pete.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Well, the Rams were HANDED that Ring by the refs. They didn't call PI for most or all of the game, magically on 3rd and goal..................penalty. Hmmmmm
Also, the non call vs. the Saints? Wow

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Nothing wrong with doing everything he can to win a ring. Even if that means trading picks and giving big contracts.

Seattle did that too.

What’s the difference?

McVay did and he got a ring.

Carroll did it and got a ring.

As long as you get a ring in the process, it was all worth it.

You know the Niners are attempting to the same. We’ll see how far they can actually get.

McVay is a young guy and wants to spend time with his young kids. I totally understand stepping away right now. He has young children and accomplished his goal in the NFL.

Why can’t he step away for now?

I don’t get the let’s bash McVay even or just cause we are Seahawks fans.

Is he really so bad of a guy?

Let the man be with his children and stop trying to make it something it’s not.

“There’s a growing sense that he will [step down],” Florio said. “My understanding is it’s not because of burnout or he wants to get into TV. He won a Super Bowl and now he’s facing a multi-year rebuild that he just doesn’t want to be apart of.”

 

[Rainger]

I'd take Mcvay all day. He's out schemed Carroll since the day he got to L.A.

The question boils down to, do you want an Xs and Os type coach, or a motivational coach?
I want Xs and Os

Out schemed or maybe superior players since took over. Imagine what Pete could have done with LAs D over last 4 years up until this one

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Out schemed or maybe superior players since took over. Imagine what Pete could have done with LAs D over last 4 years up until this one

All of this.

 

[Mike D in 332]

Pete has show. The ability to recover from a great run and rebuild. He takes criticism without emotion. McVay may be able to do that but he hasn’t shown it yet. GIVE ME PETE CARROL ALL DAY!

 

[Hawknballs]

No i answered your reply with a factual reply. I was not being rude.

6 points in a superbowl. Goff better in detroit then with mcvay. Guru.

Being condescending with your "SEE HOW THAT WORKS!?" comment like no one is capable of parsing your brilliant hot take is kinda being rude. Especially since you need to reply to yourself like four times to make a point about a totally pointless and irrelevant question that might as well be "what's your favorite dinosaur NO MINE IS BETTER.

Hence my initial post, These kinds of 'questions' only exist so you can hear yourself talk.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Sean McVay. People are still hanging onto the successes that he's had in 2013 and 2014. Since then Carroll hasn't been bad per-say, but he's made some really questionable decisions, especially pertaining to his staff. Carroll's defenses since 2017 have been pretty poor across the board as well. This is supposed to be his wheelhouse.

Another thing that we should mention is that Carroll has far more control over the franchise than McVay has. He outranked Schneider when it comes to FO decisions. This is not the case for Sean McVay and the Rams. The poor defensive drafting/performances can only be tied to Carroll.

Not to say Carroll is bad, I just think people around here are blinded by his 2013 run. I'd say Carroll is the better program manager, but he's inferior to McVay in the game planning and X's and O's department these days.

McVay has had a lot more success since he's popped in as HC than Carroll has. Meanwhile the Seahawks have been kind of treading water since 2017. Even our 12 win season kind of seemed like a farce. We got knocked out by McVay fielding a QB with a broken hand.

 

[Rainger]

Sean McVay. People are still hanging onto the successes that he's had in 2013 and 2014. Since then Carroll hasn't been bad per-say, but he's made some really questionable decisions, especially pertaining to his staff. Carroll's defenses since 2017 have been pretty poor across the board as well. This is supposed to be his wheelhouse.

Another thing that we should mention is that Carroll has far more control over the franchise than McVay has. He outranked Schneider when it comes to FO decisions. This is not the case for Sean McVay and the Rams. The poor defensive drafting/performances can only be tied to Carroll.

Not to say Carroll is bad, I just think people around here are blinded by his 2013 run. I'd say Carroll is the better program manager, but he's inferior to McVay in the game planning and X's and O's department these days.

McVay has had a lot more success since he's popped in as HC than Carroll has. Meanwhile the Seahawks have been kind of treading water since 2017. Even our 12 win season kind of seemed like a farce. We got knocked out by McVay fielding a QB with a broken hand.

True to your name you are the SPIN doctor

 

[Spin Doctor]

True to your name you are the SPIN doctor

So when was the last time Pete Carroll made it past the divisional playoff game? Oh 2014. Playoff record since after our last Super Bowl run? 3-5, those three wins were against Teddy Bridgewater, McCown and an injured Matt Stafford.

What is Sean McVay's record since he became HC in the playoffs? 7-3. His record since becoming HC is also better than that of Carroll's as well, albeit in a shorter time span. He's also outcoached Carroll in crucial situations as well, such as the 2020 playoff game with McVay fielding a Jared Goff with an injured throwing hand.

I get wanting to support the home team guy, but Sean McVay has been the better HC from a record and playoff success standpoint in the same time frame. He's also quickly catching up to Carroll's total amount of wins in the playoffs. Pete Carroll is 10-8 on the Seahawks in the postseason, most of those wins coming in the early 2010s.

Sean McVay is 7-3 all time in the playoffs. He's only 3 wins behind Carroll in the postseason at this point (for the Seahawks), and Carroll's been coaching the Seahawks much longer than McVay has been coaching the Rams.

One of those Rams wins was a head to head win against the Seahawks while they were fielding an injured QB with the Seahawks having the home field advantage.

His overall win percentage is also better than Carroll's since he became HC of the Rams.

 

[Rainger]

So when was the last time Pete Carroll made it past the divisional playoff game? Oh 2014. Playoff record since after our last Super Bowl run? 3-5, those three wins were against Teddy Bridgewater, McCown and an injured Matt Stafford.

What is Sean McVay's record since he became HC in the playoffs? 7-3. His record since becoming HC is also better than that of Carroll's as well, albeit in a shorter time span. He's also outcoached Carroll in crucial situations as well, such as the 2020 playoff game with McVay fielding a Jared Goff with an injured throwing hand.

I get wanting to support the home team guy, but Sean McVay has been the better HC from a record and playoff success standpoint in the same time frame. He's also quickly catching up to Carroll's total amount of wins in the playoffs. Pete Carroll is 10-8 on the Seahawks in the postseason, most of those wins coming in the early 2010s.

Sean McVay is 7-3 all time in the playoffs. He's only 3 wins behind Carroll in the postseason at this point (for the Seahawks), and Carroll's been coaching the Seahawks much longer than McVay has been coaching the Rams.

One of those Rams wins was a head to head win against the Seahawks while they were fielding an injured QB with the Seahawks having the home field advantage.

His overall win percentage is also better than Carroll's since he became HC of the Rams.

Keep trying. Anyone can go find selective stats and frame them in a way to support their belief system. There are just as many of Pete's career and accomplishments that can be thrown out. But you are the SPIN doctor!

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Being condescending with your "SEE HOW THAT WORKS!?" comment like no one is capable of parsing your brilliant hot take is kinda being rude. Especially since you need to reply to yourself like four times to make a point about a totally pointless and irrelevant question that might as well be "what's your favorite dinosaur NO MINE IS BETTER.

Hence my initial post, These kinds of 'questions' only exist so you can hear yourself talk.

You missed " at the end of "NO MINE IS BETTER."

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Sean McVay. People are still hanging onto the successes that he's had in 2013 and 2014. Since then Carroll hasn't been bad per-say, but he's made some really questionable decisions, especially pertaining to his staff. Carroll's defenses since 2017 have been pretty poor across the board as well. This is supposed to be his wheelhouse.

Another thing that we should mention is that Carroll has far more control over the franchise than McVay has. He outranked Schneider when it comes to FO decisions. This is not the case for Sean McVay and the Rams. The poor defensive drafting/performances can only be tied to Carroll.

Not to say Carroll is bad, I just think people around here are blinded by his 2013 run. I'd say Carroll is the better program manager, but he's inferior to McVay in the game planning and X's and O's department these days.

McVay has had a lot more success since he's popped in as HC than Carroll has. Meanwhile the Seahawks have been kind of treading water since 2017. Even our 12 win season kind of seemed like a farce. We got knocked out by McVay fielding a QB with a broken hand.

That is a fair debate. I would not say a lot more success but that is me. Mcvay also seems to be jumping ship after him and his GM went all in. Mcvay lost the most games ever after winning a bowl.

You can pick and choose to fit your argument and that includes me. I just believe one is a HOF and one is not rn.

 

[JGreen79]

I choose Pete all day. I think McVay is a front runner who destroyed a franchise for a ring and wants to leave town now. Pete literally wins everywhere he goes. McVay was a "Genius" who made Qb Goff look respectable was the public's opinion. However, Goff best year has been in Detroit.

McVay had a loaded Squad and sold out to win a ring. He did that so kudos for that but leaving a broken franchise is a bad look imo. Can you imagine if Pete pulled this?

I know people will say look at the H2H record. Rams also have had the better roster until this yr for awhile and then what happened H2H? Pete swept Mcvay.

Pete may be boring, old school,etc but he wins and wins often. He will be in the HOF.

Mcvay is a very good coach who is over rated imo so far in his career. If he stays and rebuilds? Then i am wrong on him front running.

I still think if careers ended today that Pete would be in HOF and McVay would not.

He took over the worst offense in the league, and made them the best offense in the league in one season with pretty much the same players.

Great X's and O's guy. But as someone stated they are in for some rough years. X's and O's will only give you short bursts. I'll take the sustained seasons every time.

 

[seahawks08]

Pete has given this Franchise a ring, and took us close to a second. It’s a sin to complain against that. My frustration as a fan is we make the playoffs and lose in a terrible fashion. Our roster or coaching staff Pete put together never could close the deal. He was extra loyal to his staff and players which delayed our rebuild by 3 years in my opinion. McVay is young, is a tremendous football acumen and went all in to get the ring. Now it will probably take a year or two to become competitive if Aaron calls it quits and they don’t have draft capital. No one has seen McVay in this phase to understand how he will handle it, and without seeing that, Pete for me any day

 

[Rainger]

He took over the worst offense in the league, and made them the best offense in the league in one season with pretty much the same players.

Great X's and O's guy. But as someone stated they are in for some rough years. X's and O's will only give you short bursts. I'll take the sustained seasons every time.

Lost in the mix, and even with the original terrible team inherited from Mora and the idiot GM before and even with all the problems with injury and other factors in many years Pete has never lost more than 7 games as a Seattle coach.

McVay even with a Super Bowl team only had 5 wins. Every stat one can through out supporting McVay another can be found for Pete. It is such a subjective stupid argument.

 

[Spin Doctor]

That is a fair debate. I would not say a lot more success but that is me. Mcvay also seems to be jumping ship after him and his GM went all in. Mcvay lost the most games ever after winning a bowl.

You can pick and choose to fit your argument and that includes me. I just believe one is a HOF and one is not rn.

Not a lot more success? Okay, you posted one metric "lost most games ever after winning a superbowl". That is the only thing argument you can make about "not a lot more success".

Since 2017, Sean McVay's Rams have had a lot more success than the Seahawks, not just a little. They've made the Super Bowl twice, won a title, won 7 playoff games, while the Seahawks have won a single playoff game in that timespan -- including lost to Sean McVay himself while he was fielding a QB that had a broken throwing hand.

If you want to make an argument for Carroll, that's not the one to make.

Also Carroll is likely not an HOF head coach right now. There are several guys hanging out that have a higher win percentage and multiple bowl wins to their names that aren't in Canton yet. The bar for Canton when it comes to coaches is EXTREMELY high.

 

[Shanegotyou11]

Not a lot more success? Okay, you posted one metric "lost most games ever after winning a superbowl". That is the only thing argument you can make about "not a lot more success".

Since 2017, Sean McVay's Rams have had a lot more success than the Seahawks, not just a little. They've made the Super Bowl twice, won a title, won 7 playoff games, while the Seahawks have won a single playoff game in that timespan -- including lost to Sean McVay himself while he was fielding a QB that had a broken throwing hand.

If you want to make an argument for Carroll, that's not the one to make.

Also Carroll is likely not an HOF head coach right now. There are several guys hanging out that have a higher win percentage and multiple bowl wins to their names that aren't in Canton yet. The bar for Canton when it comes to coaches is EXTREMELY high.

Pete is a HOF coach rn. Plenty of articles and analysts say he will get in. Look i hate to be that guy but your agenda has always been to down play Pete.

You "spun" what you wanted to fit your narrative. If McVay leaves, he literally quit on his team/fanbase when the going got tough. Pete would of had to join the Hawks in 2012 and quit after 2015 or 16 to be Sean. Then how would of the stats looked?

Anyone can spin it. Anyone. Pete literally did a rebuild when he came here and started over again this yr. Once Mcvay started losing and knew his cap and draft picks were done, we hear he wants out.

So, you would prefer a guy who gets a ring and then puts you in cap hell and bounces after having the worst season ever for a defending champ to save his name.

If he stays, i will respect him. If he does not? I have my opinion i shared.