You should have killed Seattle while you could, NFL

[olyfan63]

I am always puzzled why fans of division rivals hang out on the enemy's forum. Not that there's anything wrong with it...And truth be told we have some resident opponent fans who are quite gracious and offer something to the community.

But these types of threads "Let me come to your house and tell you why it's not that impressive what you have done" is quite boorish and immature.

Carry on.

He did nothing wrong, get some thicker skin...

Eh, has nothing to do with thicker skin. I've been lurking/posting on this site since "The Breda Report" days, and I've never been even a little bit inclined to even look at another team's forum, let alone pile up thousands of posts on it.

I guess some folks just have more time than others.

I think the truth is more that there's (usually) an overall higher quality of discussion here.

 

[Rob12]

AZ_fan is right, other than the Pittsburgh win none of the others are terribly significant from the standpoint of opponent. They have been impressive in terms of margin of victory, which is what they should be, and that is all the team can do at this point. But really all we know is we can blow out some crappy teams (a decimated Minnesota included), and that when our passing D has faced quality QBs (sometime even less than quality QBs) it has been used.
We know we are playoff caliber, but not much more until our first playoff game and perhaps not even then if it's vs the NFC East.
I personally trust the O more than the pass D at this point to not be a mirage.
The team is definitely "back" to not sucking vs lower tier competition as they were early on. But it's hard to know whether they are back to being SB caliber just yet.

Absolutely.

Good grief, AZ_fan comes on and points out some mostly reasonable, factual, fair-enough type stuff, and we're letting him ruffle our feathers? Whatever happened to the calm confidence thing? Personally, I find him amusing and overall pretty fair minded. Our team HAS had holes all year. Yeah, we've had a nice 4-game run, with the win against Pittsburgh being a *QUALITY* win. Minn and Baltimore were somewhat quality wins too, especially since they were on the road, and by a big margin, but both teams were banged up and it's not like going into Green Bay and beating the Packers.

The facts are that... Arizona beat us in our house a few weeks back. Carolina beat us in our house a few weeks before that. The Seahawks have some proving to do, and not much can really be proven by victories over the recent opponents, except possibly Pittsburgh, and all that proved is that our *offense* is back. Pittsburgh still torched our D, but we won. The Stealers ARE good and could run the rest of their table. They could even plausibly rep the AFC in the Super Bowl; stranger things have happened.

Other posters attack Palmer or Cam. The truth is, those two QBs were the REAL DEAL against our defense, at least on their day. They, along with Rothlisberger, lit up our defense. We don't need to put them down; can't we appreciate quality play of other players and teams, the same way we would like other fan bases to appreciate our quality players and level of play? The truth is, what needs to happen is OUR team needs to RAISE their level of play, to compete. GB, Carolina, AZ, Cincy, have all smacked us in the mouth, and not only that, smacked us in the mouth in 4th quarter crunch time. I think most of us believe, I certainly do, that those were lesser versions of us, and that now our team is evolving into their true self and will smack AZ, Carolina, GB in the mouth right back, during the rest of the season and the upcoming playoffs.

We NEED quality opponents to make our success all the sweeter. This year, Arizona and Carolina are quality opponents, and of course GB always is. When we beat one, two, or all 3 of them on the way to the Super Bowl, it will be because we raised our game.

I think it's fair to say we are what our record says we are. It says we are 6-1 in our last 7 games. That's not too bad. It also says the 1 loss was to Arizona. The eye test for that game, despite the officiating issues, says that Arizona made the key plays they needed to in crunch time and we didn't. The eye test for the last few games says that now it will be Seattle making those key plays the rest of the season. Let's enjoy it.

But see... I don't know man, you mention that the Vikings and Ravens were beat up, yet you fail to mention the fact that we're without the No. 1 or 2 running back in the league in Marshawn, and arguably the No. 2 TE in the league in Jimmy Graham. And during the Ravens game, Rawls was done after six carries due to a broken ankle, and from that point forward our running game was absolute toast - yet we still put up 35 points behind another phenomenal day from our QB.

It's fair to mention other team's injuries - but acknowledge ours as well. We're not a healthy team - at all - on offense right now. We're bringing in street running backs to fill the gaps. We still have undrafted wide receivers seeing most of the snaps on offense. Play that card all you want, but as far as the injury bug goes, we're just as infected as everyone else.

 

[Rob12]

Agreed.
Carolina looks pretty damn good for the worst 13-0 team ever. They looked pretty tough beating us in our house.
Cam is playing out of his mind great this year. It's not a fluke. We will need to play an epic game to beat Carolina in the playoffs, should we face them. I absolutely believe our team can do it, but meantime let's give Carolina some of the respect they've earned. After all, there's a good chance they could wind up being the worst 16-0 team since the 2007 Patriots. The guys from the 1972-73 Miami Dolphins are pissed at having to delay their annual party, the one they hold each year when the last undefeated team loses.

Yep. It's time people acknowledged the fact that Cam is entering into elite status as far as NFL QB's go. He's just a hair younger than Russ, and is doing some great things. We can dislike his antics all we want (really, watch him - the guy loves kids), but he's not going anywhere, and despite our overall success against him, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with for the next seven to 10 years.

 

[olyfan63]

But see... I don't know man, you mention that the Vikings and Ravens were beat up, yet you fail to mention the fact that we're without the No. 1 or 2 running back in the league in Marshawn, and arguably the No. 2 TE in the league in Jimmy Graham. And during the Ravens game, Rawls was done after six carries due to a broken ankle, and from that point forward our running game was absolute toast - yet we still put up 35 points behind another phenomenal day from our QB.

It's fair to mention other team's injuries - but acknowledge ours as well. We're not a healthy team - at all - on offense right now. We're bringing in street running backs to fill the gaps. We still have undrafted wide receivers seeing most of the snaps on offense. Play that card all you want, but as far as the injury bug goes, we're just as infected as everyone else.

Fair enough. Good points all.
The biggest difference is we still have our #1 QB in the game and playing at an elite level.
We actually seem to have had a relatively healthy OL much of the season.
I suppose I've just gotten so used to our next man up coming in and lighting it up that I almost take it for granted. Lynch goes down and we bring in Rawls--as Pete would say, are you freakin kiddin me? I'm very sad that Graham went down and won't get to experience this run on the field. Same for PRich, our forgotten WR.

On the other hand...

Hell, I'm excited to see Kevin freakin' Smith get to the big leagues and make catches. I'm excited to see Cooper Helfet get his shot to get snaps again. Damn good *receiving* TE. I'm excited to see street RB Bryce Brown rip off some big runs in a Hawks uniform and show he can hang on to the ball. I'm super excited to see Frank Clark healthy again and terrorizing opposing offenses. I've been excited to see Jeron Johnson get healthy enough to play again. I'm excited to see Deshawn Shead step in and outplay Cary Williams and kick his ass to the curb. I'm excited to see Marcus Burley back on the field. I'm excited to see Cassius Marsh still playing and not on IR this year. Hell, I'm excited about possibly seeing the *other* undrafted wide receiver come up and get his shot, Kasen Williams. I'm excited to see Lynch coming back, healthy, I'm hoping, for the playoffs.

So I'm perhaps guilty as charged of discounting our injuries. Pete and John have spoiled us with "Next Man Up" and the amazing way players step up. It's a beautiful thing.

 

[olyfan63]

Yep. It's time people acknowledged the fact that Cam is entering into elite status as far as NFL QB's go. He's just a hair younger than Russ, and is doing some great things. We can dislike his antics all we want (really, watch him - the guy loves kids), but he's not going anywhere, and despite our overall success against him, he's going to be a force to be reckoned with for the next seven to 10 years.

I really went and researched Cam's leadership last year, on a friendly challenge from a Panther fan. I came away impressed with Cam when I frankly did not expect to be. I could also see how his style of leadership inspires their team. They absolutely believe in him and have all along. This year his growth is really showing in reading defenses and making good decisions with the ball. We won't be able to count on Cam choking any more. We'll have to outright beat Carolina's ass for 60 minutes.

 

[Popeyejones]

Of course... history isn't on your side...

...and no team from Arizona has ever won a Super Bowl.

ZING!!!! :laugh:

How quickly they forget.

 

[whidbeast]

I'll definitely be rooting hard for the Cards if it's them and the Steel Bandwagon in SB50. However, in all honesty I would also root for that team of evil prison guards from "The Longest Yard" if they were playing Pittsburgh somehow...

 

[AZ_fan]

I just moved to Seattle for a new job so now I'm flooded with Seahawks... on the TV... on the radio... in the newspaper...

You get it.

Figured I'd check out the forums too and this one looked the most legit.

I'm not a hater... I'm just a fan of a different team.

I hear ya. I don't mind reading an opponent team's fan's POV, and anyone is welcome here who can have an intelligent debate and conversation like it seems you are capable of so I have no beef with you and I get being in "Enemy Territory" can get a bit overwhelming.

To me it's like going to the best Cardinals fan forum, register and start talking about how their wins have not been impressive based on quality of opponent (or similar debate). Different strokes I get all that, I just have always found it a bit odd. Having said all that welcome to .NET and your stay will be as pleasant as you make it.

Yeah that's all I'm about... intelligent conversation and debate. Being in enemy territory can be overwhelming but I can handle it... Definitely not trolling here. :th2thumbs:

Aros, it won't be all that pleasant for him/her(don't know gender) if they keep up their current bravado. It's like they are asking for this topic to be shacked, which I would be fine with BTW. If not, you might want to inform them that there is a place for smack talk here. Just not on the main forum.

Yep and as I stated his or her stay will be as pleasant as they make it.

Rather have intelligent conversation.

I wouldn't call it trolling. If it is it's the weakest trolling I have ever seen. He really just comes across more as a fan who hasn't had much experience dealing with success.

Thanks... wasn't trying to troll. :th2thumbs:

New England annually beats up on a poor division. They're always still dangerous come playoff time.

Carolina has only beaten 3 teams with winning records. I guess they suck too.

It's just not a valid argument when there are only 11 teams with winning records in the league this year.

Carolina doesn't suck but they are the worst 13-0 team in the modern era. They have played a ridiculous schedule and have benefited from it. Pretty simple.

I don't buy this at all. Carolina is legit and has proved it.

Carolina Arizona and Seattle (in no particular order) are the 3 best teams in the NFL... too bad only one will advance. In the AFC I'd have to pick New England again... maybe Denver because of their defense but their QB situation has me leaning towards the Pats. Pittsburgh is my sleeper pick.

But the Cards fan who decided to show up and talk shit when his team was finally good? Dude is a waste of time.

Johnny come lately fans who think they are provocateurs, but not until their team gives them a perch to crow from. No shits given about this guy.

No offense taken.

"I'm confused AZ_fan, does record indicate how good you are or not? And if it does, then why did a 7-8-1 Panthers team beat an 11-5 Cardinals team in the playoffs last year?

Winner

Why did we lose to the Panthers? I'd say it probably had something to do with Lindley and Stanton... and please don't tell me you'd win playoff games with Tavaris Jackson in this QB driven league.

What are we now? 20-3 over the last 2 seasons in games started by Palmer?

Yeah. I blame the lack of a QB for last years divisional collapse and playoff failure. With us at 9-1 and Seattle at 6-4 it's a pretty fair bet we win the division last year despite Seattle's 6 game run... the 19-3 and 35-6 losses would definitely have been a lot closer too.

Now that Wilson's release time has gone from 2.6 to 2.2 seconds, reducing sacks, reducing holding calls, and scoring a lot more points, and we have corrected the defensive problem, is it accurate to say we are the same team that gave away those leads?

If your Cards feel that way they are in for one he'll of a thrashing.

I dunno... I was listening to Mike & Mike this morning and they had Brock on (isn't he a local sportsradio guy?) and they specifically asked him "Is this Seahawks defense back to being elite?" and he replied in a nutshell "They are definitely elite against bad competition. We'll see what happens in the playoffs against the elite QBs."

I didn't say it but hopefully am correct in assuming that he thinks shutting down Newton/Palmer/Rodgers won't be as easy as Bridgewater/Claussen.

This Card fan REEKS of fear. He's standing on the tracks but cant help himself to get off. Talk about an inferiority complex...

Not at all. Give me Seattle at home any day. Fear would be if the 'Hawks had HFA. :mrgreen:

Good grief, AZ_fan comes on and points out some mostly reasonable, factual, fair-enough type stuff, and we're letting him ruffle our feathers? Whatever happened to the calm confidence thing? Personally, I find him amusing and overall pretty fair minded. Our team HAS had holes all year. Yeah, we've had a nice 4-game run, with the win against Pittsburgh being a *QUALITY* win. Minn and Baltimore were somewhat quality wins too, especially since they were on the road, and by a big margin, but both teams were banged up and it's not like going into Green Bay and beating the Packers.

The facts are that... Arizona beat us in our house a few weeks back. Carolina beat us in our house a few weeks before that. The Seahawks have some proving to do, and not much can really be proven by victories over the recent opponents, except possibly Pittsburgh, and all that proved is that our *offense* is back. Pittsburgh still torched our D, but we won. The Stealers ARE good and could run the rest of their table. They could even plausibly rep the AFC in the Super Bowl; stranger things have happened.

Good post. You've summed up my thoughts exactly.

Eh, has nothing to do with thicker skin. I've been lurking/posting on this site since "The Breda Report" days, and I've never been even a little bit inclined to even look at another team's forum, let alone pile up thousands of posts on it.

I guess some folks just have more time than others.

I think the truth is more that there's (usually) an overall higher quality of discussion here.

Yep... I was lurking for a week before I registered. Nothing wrong with that... some of us prefer to discuss football with the enemy's POV thrown in... rather that go on and on with your fellow fans in 100% fanboi status about how great your given team is.

:th2thumbs:

 

[djb28]

Minnesota gave the Cards all they could handle.

 

[King Dog]

lol

 

[Boycie]

You should have killed the Seattle Seahawks while you could, NFL.

The Seahawks on Oct. 18 were defeated at home by the Carolina Panthers after a miraculous comeback from Cam Newton and the Cats. The last-minute loss dropped the Seahawks to 2-4 and the defending NFC champs were reeling.

Read more at: http://nesn.com/2015/12/nfl-week-15-pow ... te-charge/


Thats funny.

What's funny is seeing the media back on the Seahawks bandwagon after hopping off for the first half of the season. Seattle wins over Pittsburgh, Minnesota and Baltimore now have every other NFL story "the Seahawks are a Super Bowl favorite! OMG!"...

The key phrase in the article you linked is "The Seahawks struggled with a front-loaded schedule, but they’re 6-1 since that Carolina loss, and they’re doing things in a different manner than we’ve become accustomed to seeing."

Lets take a closer look...

A 20-3 win over a mediocre SF team
An ugly 13-12 road win over a mediocre Dallas team led by some 4th string QB
A 39-32 loss at home to Arizona
A 29-13 win over a mediocre SF team
A 39-30 win over a Pittsburgh team that torched the D for 500 yards
A 38-7 road win over a Teddy Bridgewater led Vikings team
A 35-6 win over a Baltimore team that had half their starters on IR

The Pittsburgh game aside, are a bunch of wins over mediocre (you can add the Bears and Lions to this list) to average competition supposed to signal to the rest of the NFL that the Seahawks are going to make a 3rd straight Super Bowl? A glance at the schedule reveals wins over mediocre to average teams... with losses to teams that are on the upper end of the standings (Packers, Bengals, Panthers, Cardinals)...

You are what your record says you are?

Man I hope the Cards don't rest players during our matchcup because I can't wait to see them knock you guys back down to earth. The whole NFL is on notice.....this team is back and ready, so look out!

 

[AZ_fan]

lol

Yeah I saw that one too back prior to 48...



Apparently it had room for 2 but the Seahawks passed...

Good thing I don't lose too much sleep about memes that flame my team but I'll give you a 3/10 for originality.

 

[King Dog]

lol

Yeah I saw that one too back prior to 48...



Apparently it had room for 2 but the Seahawks passed...

Good thing I don't lose too much sleep about memes that flame my team but I'll give you a 3/10 for originality.

Lol. You're mad.

 

[AZ_fan]

Lol. You're mad.

Not at all... but like the rest of the world I am sick of the Tom Brady "You are so mad right now" memes with him showing off those 4 rings.

 

[Boycie]

Gurley in action in Seattle... he's a beast

Held AD to 18 yards and no pay-dirt, dude. I think you missed that stat too. I wonder, do you actually do homework before you roll into enemy territory or did you decide we would allow you to just waltz in here with the narrative from 8 weeks ago and get away with it? Now you are just being a troll.

LOL... I'm fully aware that AP was held to nothing after Minnesota abandoned the run early in the first half...

Doesn't change the fact that Gurley is a beast.. and saying that I'm looking forward to seeing him in Seattle (he wasn't around the first game) doesn't make me a troll.

But if you wanna talk stats go look him up... and check the highlight reel while you are at it.

Of course they abandoned the run in the 2nd half. That's because we stuffed AP, and they had no choice but to open up the pass game because we were already blowing them out.That's what an elite team does!

 

[AZ_fan]

Of course they abandoned the run in the 2nd half. That's because we stuffed AP, and they had no choice but to open up the pass game because we were already blowing them out.That's what an elite team does!

I'll be more impressed when they do it to an elite QB.

So far the only one they've beat is Ben... and they still got torched for 500 yards.

Unfortunately we have to wait for the playoffs to see if that happens I guess... with Cleveland and St. Louis coming up and a meaningless game in Arizona.

 

[253hawk]

So how come you guys struggled so hard again a "Teddy Bridgewater led Vikings team" in your own house?

Probably the same reason you guys should have lost to the Lions at your house.

Any given Sunday...

Except it was a Thursday. So the Vikes not only played in your house, but did so on a short week after suffering their biggest loss by far this season, and lost 3 solid defenders in the process. They were about as vulnerable as you can get.

There's no certainty we'd have lost to Detroit. Even if there's no fumble and Calvin gets the TD, there's still 1:50 on the clock and 2 timeouts.

 

[AZ_fan]

So how come you guys struggled so hard again a "Teddy Bridgewater led Vikings team" in your own house?

Probably the same reason you guys should have lost to the Lions at your house.

Any given Sunday...

Except it was a Thursday. So the Vikes not only played in your house, but did so on a short week after suffering their biggest loss by far this season, and lost 3 solid defenders in the process. They were about as vulnerable as you can get.

There's no certainty we'd have lost to Detroit. Even if there's no fumble and Calvin gets the TD, there's still 1:50 on the clock and 2 timeouts.

Yep... Detroit could have won... but they didn't. Minnesota could have won.. but they didn't.

This type of debate never goes anywhere because at the end of the day the score at 00.00 is all that matters.

Kudos to Seattle... as I've already said they look 1000% better than they did the first half of the season. IMHO right now they are reaping the benefits of the easier portion of their schedule making them look better than they really are (see 500 yards given up at home vs Pitt) but of course we won't really know until the playoffs when they face Newton/Palmer/Rodgers instead of Bridgewater and Claussen.

 

[King Dog]

I will be impressed when Palmer wins a playoff game.

 

[Boycie]

Of course they abandoned the run in the 2nd half. That's because we stuffed AP, and they had no choice but to open up the pass game because we were already blowing them out.That's what an elite team does!

I'll be more impressed when they do it to an elite QB.

So far the only one they've beat is Ben... and they still got torched for 500 yards.

Unfortunately we have to wait for the playoffs to see if that happens I guess... with Cleveland and St. Louis coming up and a meaningless game in Arizona.[/quote

And you guys got torched by Landry Jones.