Worst deals and best steals. Kudos to John and Pete

[JSeahawks]

No Seahawks on the "worst deals" list. 3 on the "biggest steals" list (although I could easily make a case for even more: Browner, Wright, Wagner)

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2235 ... erspending

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/2235 ... -right-now

 

[AbsolutNET]

Browner is on the "steals" list, with Sherman

 

[Perfundle]

Browner is considered by many to be the better of the two

I have literally not seen this suggested by anyone until this article.

 

[Stoned Cold]

Obviously these articles are for current situations. Whitehurst is still the only "bad deals" I've seen Schneider make. And even with that, Whitehurst still won a play in game for the Division Title when he quarterbacked us against the Rams. That takes some of the sting off.

Browner is considered by many to be the better of the two, and keeps a decidedly lower profile.

LaConfora is pretty glued in the NFL circles but I have a hard time believing that statement. Maybe, just maybe though, some coaches view Browner as a tougher match up if he gets away with hand checking and playing physical downfield. I could see that. Sherman isn't as physical as Browner and tends to bait quarterbacks to throw his way by trailing and giving quarterbacks false hope their receivers are open. Browner just stalls you at the line and throws off the timing from the get go. Maybe the quarterback just progresses to the next guy.

 

[Hawknballs]

I half expected to see zach miller on the worst deals list.... he had some big moments last season but his numbers don't reflect being the highest paid TE in the NFL this year.

 

[CANHawk]

I can see Bobby Wagner being added to that list after this year. I expect him to do very well with a season of exp under his belt.

 

[FlyingGreg]

"Browner is considered by many to be the better of the two"

Uhhhh....no, Jason. That's stupid.

I love Browner, but Sherman is on his own planet.

 

[Meeker]

Just rename the list "Players playing well on rookie contracts"

 

[HawkFan72]

Does anyone seriously think we would have done as well last season during the 4 games Browner was out if Sherman had been the one who was out instead?

No way Browner is better.

 

[Pandion Haliaetus]

I half expected to see zach miller on the worst deals list.... he had some big moments last season but his numbers don't reflect being the highest paid TE in the NFL this year.

Miller gets paid pretty much to be an small offensive tackle that can catch and run like a TE. Also, people need get off production standards... if the Seahawks felt Miller wasn't pulling his weight in gold they would just cut him.

Bottom-line... as long as Seahawks are winning games... who really cares what these guys are getting paid.... its not our job to dissect contract worth or appropriate value unless its a truly under performing player that's deserving of such criticism... however, its our job to cheer for our team and be the 12th man.

 

[taz291819]

I can see why some may favor Browner over Sherman, they play the position totally different. Browner will maul his guy at the LOS, while Sherman likes to bait QBs. In some eyes, Sherman is doing the riskier thing, but so far, it's worked out well for him.

 

[FargoHawk]

I can see why some may favor Browner over Sherman, they play the position totally different. Browner will maul his guy at the LOS, while Sherman likes to bait QBs. In some eyes, Sherman is doing the riskier thing, but so far, it's worked out well for him.

Completely disagree, Sherman bumps the WRs at the LOS but ALSO tries to bait the QB.

 

[EastCoastHawksFan]

Browner is an absolute monster. Sherman is great too. I don't think one is that much better then the other . Sherman is younger and has more upside but Browner is a play maker.

Don't forget about how awesome Browner is in the run game and how is has a nose for poppin the football loose.

 

[Stoned Cold]

I can see why some may favor Browner over Sherman, they play the position totally different. Browner will maul his guy at the LOS, while Sherman likes to bait QBs. In some eyes, Sherman is doing the riskier thing, but so far, it's worked out well for him.

Completely disagree, Sherman bumps the WRs at the LOS but ALSO tries to bait the QB.

I'd probably disagree too if I didn't know the difference between a bump and a maul.

This is how Browner does you....

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Thats against one of the most physical wide receivers in NFL history.

Like I said earlier. Browner f#cks up your quarterbacks timing. Makes the QB progress to the next open receiver. Sherman trails at times. Makes sense some people in the NFL may find Sherman the easier target.

 

[kearly]

Sherman is obviously better, but Browner was easily a top 10 corner last season, IMO. He might get burned occasionally, but he's just so consistent week to week and doesn't just play nasty, he plays smart and aware.

 

[Hawks46]

Browner had pretty damn good stats his first year. Led the league in PD's and had what, 8 picks ? At least 2 for TD's off the top of my head.

Last year that slowed down, but what Browner does isn't going to get him a lot of stats. He literally erases his guy at the LOS. Guys can't even get off the line against him, and you can see it in the game....after a while the QB literally quits looking to that side of the field, even if it's his primary option on that play.

As for Browner being the better CB ? I would say not in coverage, although it's actually close. Browner is savvy and has that sick length. His ball skills are underrated....every bit as good as Sherm's. Browner is also a more rounded CB than Sherman. He's probably the hardest CB in the league to block at the LOS and takes away bubble screens to that side of the field. You also really don't want to run sweeps to that side.....anything that bounces out that way Browner shuts down right at the LOS. He's far better than Sherman in that regard. It's possible that's why it was said in the article that some see him as the better CB. Sherman is the more cerebral of the two and he's good at baiting the QB so it's always going to get him more picks, I think.

The one thing I'd do to quiet Sherman down is run right at his ass. Pull a Tackle out there, lead with a FB. Sherman isn't a brute like Browner or Kam; you will beat him up eventually. Fortunately, we have LBers and Kam that have great range and speed so if teams tried to do that habitually, one of the LBers or Kam would cheat over and make them pay.

 

[Brahn]

2011 Browner led the league in PDs and was second in INTs
2012 Sherman led the league in PDs and was second in INTs

Just because people never do it
2011 "Revis Island" 16 games 52 tackles 21 PD 4INT 1TD
2011 "Under Appreciated Browner" 16 games 54 tackles 23 PDs 6INT 2TD

Do not be fooled because Sherman had a better year opposite the guy who was the best CB the year before and missed 4 games for PEDs in 2012. Browner and Sherman are the best CBs in the NFL they are on the same level you are just force fed one more then the other.

 

[Perfundle]

2011 Browner led the league in PDs and was second in INTs
2012 Sherman led the league in PDs and was second in INTs

Just because people never do it
2011 "Revis Island" 16 games 52 tackles 21 PD 4INT 1TD
2011 "Under Appreciated Browner" 16 games 54 tackles 23 PDs 6INT 2TD

Do not be fooled because Sherman had a better year opposite the guy who was the best CB the year before and missed 4 games for PEDs in 2012. Browner and Sherman are the best CBs in the NFL they are on the same level you are just force fed one more then the other.

Yeah... no. Revis covers the opposing teams' best wide receiver much more than Sherman or Browner, and plays more man as well. Bulk tackles, interceptions and passes defensed don't mean much without that context.

Source.

I think Browner's biggest weakness is comeback routes; he doesn't have Sherman's recovery speed.

 

[Brahn]

2011 Browner led the league in PDs and was second in INTs
2012 Sherman led the league in PDs and was second in INTs

Just because people never do it
2011 "Revis Island" 16 games 52 tackles 21 PD 4INT 1TD
2011 "Under Appreciated Browner" 16 games 54 tackles 23 PDs 6INT 2TD

Do not be fooled because Sherman had a better year opposite the guy who was the best CB the year before and missed 4 games for PEDs in 2012. Browner and Sherman are the best CBs in the NFL they are on the same level you are just force fed one more then the other.

Yeah... no. Revis covers the opposing teams' best wide receiver much more than Sherman or Browner, and plays more man as well. Bulk tackles, interceptions and passes defensed don't mean much without that context.

Source.

I think Browner's biggest weakness is comeback routes; he doesn't have Sherman's recovery speed.

So your argument is that Revis faces better opponents but puts up worse numbers more often? I was looking for a targets to receptions chart for 2011 CBs Revis vs Browner comparison but am unable to find one. If anyone has one please post it. You linked me the Pre-Snap Sherman vs Revis. If that had been Browner vs Revis I could see that being useful. Revis covers better yet deflects less passes and is in a worse position for the INT.

I think Browners biggest weakness is people over looking him and that is fine. I am open to your idea of comeback routes being an issue. Let me know if you find any articles on it. I was under the impression he is pretty solid on them, but hey I could be wrong.

 

[Perfundle]

So your argument is that Revis faces better opponents but puts up worse numbers more often?

I'm saying that Revis' numbers are worse relative to other corners because he faces better opponents. The author of that article is of the opinion that 2011 Revis is no worse than 2012 Sherman, despite Revis' significantly worse success rate, because of that fact. So it's pretty straightforward to think that if Browner only has the same stats as Revis that year, he didn't play as well as Revis, because he didn't always cover the opposing teams' best receiver either.

I think Browners biggest weakness is people over looking him and that is fine. I am open to your idea of comeback routes being an issue. Let me know if you find any articles on it. I was under the impression he is pretty solid on them, but hey I could be wrong.

Well, in a thread (that I hadn't read) less than two months ago here, two separate people agreed with that weakness of him. Lack of agility is a common weakness with large cornerbacks, which is why there are so few of them. What makes Sherman elite is he combines physicality and speed with that agility, and adds a healthy dose of cerebral anticipation to it; being a receiver himself for several years in college must've helped with understanding which routes are likely to develop.

Here is an article that mentions it. Key part:

Both corners play with great fundamental technique and refuse to give up the deep ball. The comeback is a pass you'll see Seahawks' CBs give up - Browner gave up one to Pierre Garcon very early in the game for a big gain, if you'll remember.

On the other side of the field tho, the nice part about Richard Sherman is that he's so fluid and smooth, that he can matchup against the comeback very well also.