Largent80
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Damn cap and Detroits dumbass contract.
IBleedBlueAndGreen":tk6fhxct said:Suh isn't going anywhere this year. His contract included $40 million guaranteed. He still has $19 million of that left to be paid (based on cap number, not what he's actually received). His cap hit for next year jumps from $6.56 to $17.2 million. However if he is traded ALL of that guaranteed money becomes a 2012 cap hit.
Basically if Detroit keeps him his cap number is $17.2 million.
If Detroit trades him, his cap number is $19 million and he's not on the team.
Not going to happen.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/
Wow would that be the worst.jdblack":3mwm2f7z said:I don't think it is in PS/JC to pay for anything but a low-profile, younger diamond in the rough. They have enough contracts coming up on the current roster.
Edit: I also think they will settle for letting Jones get healthy, hoping Clemons gets healthy, bulking Irvin up, and adding depth with a 3rd-ish round draft pick.
pehawk":1tapu7yv said:SouthSoundHawk":1tapu7yv said:Don't see this happening, unless his contract is up or Seattle is willing to throw a lot at Detroit to get him. It'd be cool, but right now it's just a fantasy. Time will tell, but I'm not even going to ponder holding my breath.
Oh, okay.
I didn't know we weren't allowed to hypothosize or ask questions like "what would it cost?". I really do apologize. The last thing I or anyone else wants is you holding your breath. I mean, if you did, you'd die and we wouldn't be honored by your pearls of wisdom. I for one would be really sad over that.
CANHawk":39lv7t7o said:OMG Suh would totally be the missing piece of the puzzle in this system. He's a moster up the middle and he's big enough to stuff the run so he can play every down. AND he'd want to play here! no... I'm not going to get my hopes up but, damn....
Rotoworld says Suh is signed through 2015 and making $11.55/yr. That's some big cheddar and Detroit has a lot of big contracts to pay; Megatron's not one of them (not in 2013 anyway), his contract kicks into overdrive in 2015, he's only getting $5m next 2 years. Stafford's kicks into the big money in 2013 though (he kicks up to $12m). Burlson's due to make 4.5 next year. Chris Avril and Justin Durant are UFA's. Nick Fairley isn't set to be a UFA until 2015.
It sounds like they aren't really happy with Suh's 'tude (I for one LIKE a DT whos a big mean basterd that will stomp on a dude's nuts, but different strokes I guess) so he may very well be the cap casualty they jettison to pay some of the other guys. Looks like they have the room to keep him if they decide they want to keep him, but they could just as well punt him and go another direction. He'd likely be picked off waivers before we could ever get a chance to take on his salary so it's likely a moot point, but we do have the cap room....
Anyone have an educated guess as to how much cheaper Starks would be? Would it be doable considering the contracts looming for the Hawks?12th_Bob":1wkj97os said:...... I think Melton or Starks could be targets for Schneider especially Starks based on how he manhandled San Fran and our O-line plus he would be cheaper.......
mikeak":340dmytc said:IBleedBlueAndGreen":340dmytc said:Suh isn't going anywhere this year. His contract included $40 million guaranteed. He still has $19 million of that left to be paid (based on cap number, not what he's actually received). His cap hit for next year jumps from $6.56 to $17.2 million. However if he is traded ALL of that guaranteed money becomes a 2012 cap hit.
Basically if Detroit keeps him his cap number is $17.2 million.
If Detroit trades him, his cap number is $19 million and he's not on the team.
Not going to happen.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/
Please educate me one bit further as I don't understand this. Isn't the cap hit only if they cut him? If Seahaws trades for him they would pay the $19 million and it would go off the Detroit books. He didn't get a signing bonus so it isn't like money is split over the years and needs to be picked up as well.......
With that said this front office doesn't want to spend big and use all the cap space on one player - draft well build that way is how everything to this point have been made
Curious do you trade Browner straight up (what a cap relief) and hope to pick up another 5th rounder......
Largent80":1z1htdp7 said:Damn cap and Detroits dumbass contract.
Hasselbeck":1i2qvgnu said:Largent80":1i2qvgnu said:Damn cap and Detroits dumbass contract.
Curse the old CBA that made the Lions have no choice to give him that contract.
It's the same reason Aaron Curry got $60M with $34M guaranteed
IBleedBlueAndGreen":1mtl7c8k said:mikeak":1mtl7c8k said:IBleedBlueAndGreen":1mtl7c8k said:Suh isn't going anywhere this year. His contract included $40 million guaranteed. He still has $19 million of that left to be paid (based on cap number, not what he's actually received). His cap hit for next year jumps from $6.56 to $17.2 million. However if he is traded ALL of that guaranteed money becomes a 2012 cap hit.
Basically if Detroit keeps him his cap number is $17.2 million.
If Detroit trades him, his cap number is $19 million and he's not on the team.
Not going to happen.
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/detroit-lions/ndamukong-suh/
Please educate me one bit further as I don't understand this. Isn't the cap hit only if they cut him? If Seahaws trades for him they would pay the $19 million and it would go off the Detroit books. He didn't get a signing bonus so it isn't like money is split over the years and needs to be picked up as well.......
With that said this front office doesn't want to spend big and use all the cap space on one player - draft well build that way is how everything to this point have been made
Curious do you trade Browner straight up (what a cap relief) and hope to pick up another 5th rounder......
Any money that is labeled as "guaranteed" when a contract is signed means two things: 1. the player will receive that money no matter what happens and 2. as a result that money will ALL have to be accounted for with the salary cap. It would actually make more sense to release Suh if he is not going to be on the team, but they would have to wait until June 1st to do so. For players that are released after June 1st the team can choose to take the cap hit during that year, or can cut it in half and take half of the cap hit the following year (unless something changed with the last CBA that I'm not aware of).
They are not trading Browner. His cap number for next year is $550K. That is peanuts.