Well, 'something' seems wrong - per Lockett

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Bad QB's lead to bad mojo on the team. Geno is a fill in, and can't be expected to match his previous years performance. Like a Mariner hitter moving towards ..300 BA, you know they will fall off to .240.
I think we'd very literally be 1-5 or 0-6 if we had a truly bad quarterback.

What we've got is a quarterback that most trained film guys think of as one of the better in the NFL. NFL's QB index has him top-10, as does PFF. Steven Ruiz has him top-10 for The Ringer. Brett Kollman said he was playing top-5 this season earlier this month after his film review.

He can't do it all. He just can't do it all. I don't think anyone can.

Its tragic that we have not been able to provide Geno a single good defense or even mediocre OL in his entire tenure as our starter. We can't even judge him properly on the whole because we've never seen him operate in a decent situation. It's incredibly frustrating.
 

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We've seen him with the ball in his hands, quite a few times, with the game on the line and he doesn't get it done. He's not THE problem, but he is part of many problems that this team needs to work out. Round and round we go, and that's fine. But until I see him knock off top teams, let alone the Niners and Rams, I'm just not as confident as I was even just a few weeks ago. Just my OWN opinion on it. I'm probably a little too tough on him. Just like many are probably way too lenient with him.
If he wants this huge contract, he needs to do more with the game on the line, imo. He needs to not be pouting and breaking things over his head on the sidelines.
QB is the leader of the offense, and often the entire team. Lead by example. It just seems that LATELY he has had some bad body language. He cares, a lot.
As does DK. It just seems that for one obvious reason, Geno gets excuses consistently. It shouldn't be about a popularity contest and/or if you like the guy, hate the old guy etc. You either get it done or you don't. You either have the IT factor or you don't. I know I'm not on an island thinking he just doesn't have the IT factor. I have a right to my opinion and/or my nervousness about Geno. Especially with the game on the line, and his decision making in big moments.
Hope to very wrong.
 
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We've seen him with the ball in his hands, quite a few times, with the game on the line and he doesn't get it done. He's not THE problem, but he is part of many problems that this team needs to work out. Round and round we go, and that's fine. But until I see him knock off top teams, let alone the Niners and Rams, I'm just not as confident as I was even just a few weeks ago. Just my OWN opinion on it. I'm probably a little too tough on him. Just like many are probably way too lenient with him.
If he wants this huge contract, he needs to do more with the game on the line, imo. He needs to not be pouting and breaking things over his head on the sidelines.
QB is the leader of the offense, and often the entire team. Lead by example. It just seems that LATELY he has had some bad body language. He cares, a lot.
As does DK. It just seems that for one obvious reason, Geno gets excuses consistently. It shouldn't be about a popularity contest and/or if you like the guy, hate the old guy etc. You either get it done or you don't. You either have the IT factor or you don't. I know I'm not on an island thinking he just doesn't have the IT factor. I have a right to my opinion and/or my nervousness about Geno. Especially with the game on the line, and his decision making in big moments.
Hope to very wrong.
Listen, I get that you have the impression that he doesn't get the job done with the ball in his hands...

But again, he factually set the record in 2023 for getting the job done with the ball in his hands the most times in a single season. Ever.

I don't think there's anything he can do to squash that impression if you didn't care for him doing it against the Lions in OT last year. Or the Titans. Or the money game winner against the Cardinals to send Pete off with a win. Or the game winner vs the Browns.

It's hard. We can't beat divisional rivals because they walk all over our defense. I can't just saunter past that and say "well, if my quarterback had played perfectly instead of just good despite everyone other than the WRs sucking ass around him, then we'd win something!" We've matched up quite poorly against McVay and Shanahan's offenses since moving to the dogshit Fangio hybrid in 2022. Jury's still out on Mac's defense.

In 2017, no one said "hey, we barely went .500, Russ doesn't win with the ball in his hands!" because we knew that the rest of the team failed around him. Our defense is worse than it was then and our running game is similarly shit.
 

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We've seen him with the ball in his hands, quite a few times, with the game on the line and he doesn't get it done. He's not THE problem, but he is part of many problems that this team needs to work out. Round and round we go, and that's fine. But until I see him knock off top teams, let alone the Niners and Rams, I'm just not as confident as I was even just a few weeks ago. Just my OWN opinion on it. I'm probably a little too tough on him. Just like many are probably way too lenient with him.
If he wants this huge contract, he needs to do more with the game on the line, imo. He needs to not be pouting and breaking things over his head on the sidelines.
QB is the leader of the offense, and often the entire team. Lead by example. It just seems that LATELY he has had some bad body language. He cares, a lot.
As does DK. It just seems that for one obvious reason, Geno gets excuses consistently. It shouldn't be about a popularity contest and/or if you like the guy, hate the old guy etc. You either get it done or you don't. You either have the IT factor or you don't. I know I'm not on an island thinking he just doesn't have the IT factor. I have a right to my opinion and/or my nervousness about Geno. Especially with the game on the line, and his decision making in big moments.
Hope to very wrong.
How do you square not having the 'IT' factor against him setting the NFL record for 4th qtr comebacks? Because, you know, he HAD to comeback for lack of a defense, running game and O-line.

This is just the goalposts moving again. His first year starting, it was ' he doesnt have the ability to take the game in is hands and win it '. Then, his second year, he sets the record, and now its ' he doesnt come back against good teams '.

He beat the Lions last year by puttig the team on his shoulders.

If we had a healthy team, he'd have done it again this year.

He was the only offense we had all game last year against the Cowboys and went blow for blow against a superior offense AND defense. Then, because he plays behind the worst line in the league, gets knocked because he didnt do it on the fial drive? How about placing blame on the defense that no matter how many times he gets us close to the lead or puts us ahead, ALWAYS gives it up again.

He brought us back against the Giants this year and had a kick blocked.

Against the Niners Thursday, he through 2 TD's that were it not for dumb plays by teammates, would have had us in the lead . are the 9ers not a good team? Again, HOW many times does he has to do his job the way he should before you actually look at his game and say... yeah, he did his part, the team cant hold up their end though.

You cant have a QB actually put you in position to win, again and again... complete the tight window pass fD, throw the deep arcing pass in that exact moment the team needs it for a TD, only to have those plays wiped out. What some of you are doing in measuring the dude is saying. Ok, make the 3pointer from half-court and i'll believe in you. Then when he makes it but has it negated because of a technicality, expect him to do it again. And when he bounces it out, say ' see - told you he cant do it'. That's LITERALLy what would have to happen to have him be seen as 'successful' in some people's eyes.

If you want the measure of a QB worthy of keeping around as a franchise guy to be - no matter how bad the team is around him, he wins anyway. And no matter how many passes get dropped, penalties get called negating 1st downs, Tds, and stealing momentum, he STILL wins, then good luck finding that guy. Not even Tom Brady or Pat Mahomes .... or dare i say Russ at his best was able to play in a way that made us contenders when everything around him failed. And never in his tenure, did Me3 have things around him non-functional the way Geno has.

Brock Purdy is hailed as the friggin 2nd coming of Joe Montana. And how good was he when his line got him pummeled the way Geno has been? He wasnt bringing them back for victories.

At least you admit that you are harder on the dude than you should be. But when you have Mike Macdonald flat out calling INT's TEAM mistakes... is he also an apologist? Is he just being nice? Why would he when before the season started, he was never effusive in his praise for Geno? First he wont give him credit... now he assigns blame to players around him fo rmistakes the QB makes?

How about the HC sees it how it is. Not blindly. Not wishfully thinking. Not with a boner for the dude. But looking at the game, seeing the reality of whats happening and the context whithin which certain errors or shortfalls occur and making a judgement.

The QB you apparently want is a one a thousand unicorn. I asked you and every other uber critic of Geno to name ANY QB in the last 20 years who has found as much success as Geno has with a poorer supporting cast. To this day, no takers. Because they dont exist.

And that's NOT to say the dude walks on water. It IS to say that you need to look at the totality of the picture and weigh that against what you see instead of looking at game situations, or stats in a vaccuum.

Its tiring hearing things like, ' the line is actually protecting better than it has and Geno stank it up ...' . Seriously? The line is awful. The ONLY reason it doenst look as bad as it is is because Grubb and Geno are running the handful of plays from a truncated playbook that allow him to get the ball out before he takes a sack. THATS why you see an idiot like DK throwing a tantrum over not getting the ball deep... because there isnt time to hit that play. Anyone with AL22 can see that. He should be able to as well. The line isnt playing well. We are just working around an debilitating shortcoming and STILL managing to remain competitive.
 

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I don't think he does have the IT factor in big games. That's my opinion. You don't have to like it. Get bent out of shape all you want. I have a right to my opinion, and I'm not changing it until I see him win BIG GAMES. And until I see him beat the NINERS, RAMS etc.
 

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I don't think he does have the IT factor in big games. That's my opinion. You don't have to like it. Get bent out of shape all you want. I have a right to my opinion, and I'm not changing it until I see him win BIG GAMES. And until I see him beat the NINERS, RAMS etc.
You're the one getting bent out of shape. Again.

Also the Lions was a big win. They should've been in the Super Bowl.
 

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Def. was a big win. Few and far between. You're the one who freaks out anytime someone says anything negative about the almighty Geno Smith.
And that's fine, you like your guy, I can appreciate that.
 

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I don't think he does have the IT factor in big games. That's my opinion. You don't have to like it. Get bent out of shape all you want. I have a right to my opinion, and I'm not changing it until I see him win BIG GAMES. And until I see him beat the NINERS, RAMS etc.
You are entitled to your opinion, but lets not pretend it will change just because he does what you think he should, because when he wins a big game, there will be a bigger game that he hasn't yet won, or when we win a big one, it will be because it was a 'team win'.

Pattern is already set. Its been that way for 2 plus year. But like you said. It's just how you feel. It's cool.
 

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Geno doesn’t play that well against ELITE teams. In 2022, lost to 49ers 3 times and the Chiefs actually blew the Seahawks out if it wasn’t for a garbage TD very late in the 4th quarter.


In 2023, lost to 9ers twice and didnt do enough to beat the Bengals, who held the Seahawks offense to 13 points.

so far in 2024, lost to 9ers again. Still got the Bills and 9ers to play. If I’m a betting man, Geno doesn’t get it done against Bills and 9ers.
 

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I think we'd very literally be 1-5 or 0-6 if we had a truly bad quarterback.

What we've got is a quarterback that most trained film guys think of as one of the better in the NFL. NFL's QB index has him top-10, as does PFF. Steven Ruiz has him top-10 for The Ringer. Brett Kollman said he was playing top-5 this season earlier this month after his film review.

He can't do it all. He just can't do it all. I don't think anyone can.

Its tragic that we have not been able to provide Geno a single good defense or even mediocre OL in his entire tenure as our starter. We can't even judge him properly on the whole because we've never seen him operate in a decent situation. It's incredibly frustrating.
Geno needs support and they can win with him. Production in the run game and more than 1/2 second to throw .

There's only one Mahommes.
 

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Geno doesn’t play that well against ELITE teams. In 2022, lost to 49ers 3 times and the Chiefs actually blew the Seahawks out if it wasn’t for a garbage TD very late in the 4th quarter.


In 2023, lost to 9ers twice and didnt do enough to beat the Bengals, who held the Seahawks offense to 13 points.

so far in 2024, lost to 9ers again. Still got the Bills and 9ers to play. If I’m a betting man, Geno doesn’t get it done against Bills and 9ers.
Geno is not playing those teams in a vacuum. What were our rushing stats in those games? How many times did we force a three and out? How many points did we surrender? Hoe much pressure did we yield?

In the playoff games against the 9ers, he had us WINNING by the half, entirely on the basis of his play. You are trying to tell me HE lost against them?

Same with the Lions in week 4. The dude was lights out on fire. He WAS the offense. It was HIS fault 'HE' lost to them?

He completes 67% of his passes on the year (2023) and that's a 'down year'. We win more games than we lost, because again, with the 29th ranked running game and 31st ranked defense, he IS the offense, and HE cant beat good teams?

How about this. The SEAHAWKS cant beat ELITE teams, even with a QB who near leads the league in several statistical categories, because their O line is atrocious, they cant run the ball, and their defense surrenders yards on the ground at a rediculous clip. How is that? Because the QB is the only one who isnt considtently doing stupid crap to lose games.

I'd wager the HC himself would co-sign on that assessment.
 

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WRT the OP topic. Tyler spoke on his comments this week on Sherm's podcast. Didnt seem to be anywhere near the 'sky is falling' issue the article makes it out to be.
The author took Tyler's comments about how to fix procedural mistakes and extrapolated that Rome was burning. It's crazy that we're even entertaining this idea with evidence that poor.
 

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DK could hug a teammate, and the media would turn it into "DK Tries to stab teammate"
The media and many fans do love their petty exaggerations.
 

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All teams have issues. You can’t put that many people together and not have issues. If you are winning, the issues become tolerable. If losing, they become the focal point
 

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It took Mac Daddy a little while to get his defense working in Baltimore. I'm hoping the second half of the year we will see defensive improvement. With that improvement alone i think you will see the offense come along. The last three games they have been under tremendous pressure to score each and every drive. That will break any offense.

Fingers crossed that Mac Daddy gets his defense to at least be respectable sometime this season. If that happens things won't seam so "off".

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