Want To Attend Seahawks Games in 2021? Get Vaccinated

[Natethegreat]

Again all the virtue signalling about saving others is not supported by any actual data. You can rage and scream science all you want but the reality is once you have had Covid (like many here including myself have) there is no reason to get the vaccine. Your immunity is HIGHER having had it then the vaccine gives. A study done in Israel the highest vaccinated country in the world showed a 98 % immunity to covid if someone has already had it and 92 to 94 % from the vaccine depending on which one.
Secondly the adverse reactions are being vastly underreported and not being looked into. The political and cultural pressure is immense. When they reported shutting down the Johnson and Johnson vaccine they said it was six women that had shown blood clotting. That is an outright blatant lie. I personally knew a young man in his 20's that developed blood clotting that landed him in the ICU for three days right after taking it. And this was before it was shut down. Most of these cases are not being counted as being caused by the vaccine.
I read an article by a doctor who had 18 cases of blood clotting at his hospital alone. There where states that were no longer giving the Johnson and Johnson vaccine before it was shut down because of the adverse affects they were getting This is a serious issue.
So again, I have already had it (along with my whole family and we are all fine) so I already have immunity that is stronger than what I would get from the vaccine.
If anyone would like to take the vaccine thats great go right ahead but to call people names and act all high and mighty about it is absurd and not even backed by any real science.
I am not an anti vaxxer for the most part. The Polio vaccine has done wonders and others have been highly effective as well. But the reality is that some have had problems which is why they have such high testing standards now. I refuse to inject myself with something I don't need and hasn't been highly tested.

Edit: Especially when as pointed out this is not a normal vaccine and we do not yet know its long term affects.

 

[mikeak]

I had Covid at the end of Feb. 2020. Couple days of mild fever, flu-like symptoms, a little bit of coughing, and then DONE. My co-workers are reporting worse symptoms from vaccine reactions than what I had from covid.

I will not be taking the experimental gene modification therapy that is labeled as a "vaccine" for legal purposes. These are not a "vaccine" in any traditional sense.

There are plenty, plenty of documented adverse reactions to the covid vaccines, and 3,000 deaths at last check, recorded in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, aka VAERS. .

LMAO

There are millions of dead people, multiple cities and countries that have been overwhelmed in care and billions spent on healthcare, but you want people to be worried about vaccine side effects because YOU didn't have a bad Covid experience. You also being to the table 3,000 cases vs the millions..... Amazing

Amazing. Just crazy what times we live in

 

[mikeak]

Again all the virtue signalling about saving others is not supported by any actual data. You can rage and scream science all you want but the reality is once you have had Covid (like many here including myself have) there is no reason to get the vaccine. Your immunity is HIGHER having had it then the vaccine gives. A

Edit: Especially when as pointed out this is not a normal vaccine and we do not yet know its long term affects.

Cut out the fluff but you ignore proven cases of pepe getting Covid twice and counter with we don't know how long vaccine lasts?

Goes both ways but guess you ignore that

 

[Jerhawk]

In regards to the OP, I agree Aros.
I'm surprised they haven't done it yet for Mariner games tbh. Although they only have 9k fans max right now.

Whether it's Inslee, Goodell or whomever, somebody will make the call that in order to at least get 30k fans or more in the stands, they'll have to show proof of being vaccinated.

If people don't like it, tough. Stay home and watch.

 

[RolandDeschain]

Again all the virtue signalling about saving others is not supported by any actual data.

You are so blindingly, factually wrong about vaccines not saving others that I sincerely hope you haven't polluted the gene pool by having offspring.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Got the 2nd shot on Friday, and damn glad I did. I will never understand the shaming of people who actually get the shot. Is that really what it has come to? Crazy.
Couldn't agree more with the OP. I can see it being a requirement for traveling, sporting events, concerts etc.
No matter if people agree with it or not, it's pretty likely it happens.

 

[olyfan63]

Please just stay in your concrete bunker.

Even republicans like Chris Christie are trying to sway people to get vaccinated.

Hope Hicks who is a slim runner in her 30’s got hammered by COVID-19.

Thanks for making my point even further. Your emotional attack and single-data-point anecdote are typical of the science-deniers and math-deniers in power who have relentlessly pushed lockdowns, masks, and genetic therapy "vaccines". If only the psychopaths in power actually cared about us, their cattle, and not merely about their own power.

Using Hope Hicks as a data point on how horrible covid is for 30-somethings? Really?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... r-covid-19
"Hicks had mild symptoms during her bout with the virus."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12956900/ ... a-florida/

Are you meaning that YOU will be hiding out in a concrete bunker? People with a properly functioning immune system and without underlying conditions (diabetes, heart disease, other factors, etc.) have little to fear, and should go live life. The response all along should have been about protecting the most vulnerable. For example, those in nursing homes where about a quarter of covid deaths occurred despite being only 1/2 of 1% of the population.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -staffing/

Personally, I would find it foolish to take ANY health-related "advice" from Chris Christie or Donald Trump. You are free to make your own decisions if you believe either one to be your personal health guru.

When the psychopaths in charge use manipulative tactics in an attempt to coerce healthy, low-risk groups to get an experimental genetic therapy injection "vaccine" that confers no benefit to them, and has nontrivial risks, it's highly suspicious behavior.

 

[olyfan63]

LMAO

There are millions of dead people, multiple cities and countries that have been overwhelmed in care and billions spent on healthcare, but you want people to be worried about vaccine side effects because YOU didn't have a bad Covid experience. You also being to the table 3,000 cases vs the millions..... Amazing

Amazing. Just crazy what times we live in

More emotional arguments, based on media fear-porn talking points... I never figured you for a science-and-math-denier.

You're essentially saying, "billions died in China/India/wherever... the news said so.. just take the experimental vaccine already!" Your "right" to "feel" emotionally safe overrides the rights of everyone else to make their own healthcare decisions, based on informed consent? If the "vaccine" works, why do you have anything to fear?

Have you personally been to these locations you're concerned about, to observe the situation on the ground, talked with actual frontline medical professionals there, or are you blindly trusting corporate media and their tell-you-what-to-think "reporting"?

So... what is the covid death rate for your age group? In your state?

EDIT: I am starting to see reports saying the covid virus is mutating so fast that the current vaccines will no longer be effective (unsure of timeframe--months?) How many "vaccines" will "the authorties" require us, their cattle, to submit to, for "new strains", and will the "vaccine" treadmill ever end? Actively working to stay healthy and have a healthy immune system that successfully fights off the "new-strain-of-the-month" seems like a better long-term bet to me.

 

[Nunya]

With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.

 

[chris98251]

With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.

Stupidity has even less.............

 

[Nunya]

With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.

Stupidity has even less.............

Great thing about this country.....people have a right to their stupidity.

 

[chris98251]

With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.

Stupidity has even less.............

Great thing about this country.....people have a right to their stupidity.

Yeah on the backs of others all the time, then they file lawsuits because the picture that was painted was the wrong paint by number illustration they liked better.

 

[Nunya]

With the amount of conflicting information the public has been fed (and I'm not talking about info on social media), I am not surprised by the multiple opinions towards COVID and the vaccine. I am also not going to judge someone for not wanting to put a newly created and untested (long term testing) drug cocktail in their body. Myself, I am not going to rush to gather with 50k+ people while the virus is still active....vaccine or no vaccine.

I doubt if vaccine passports will be require at NFL games, except for maybe the dome teams or some select cities. We will see. However, to declare that you will prevent people from attending events in order to provide "incentive" to get the vaccine (as Inslee is doing) is just wrong on so many levels and an overreach by government. Government coercion seldom has positive results.

Stupidity has even less.............

Great thing about this country.....people have a right to their stupidity.

Yeah on the backs of others all the time, then they file lawsuits because the picture that was painted was the wrong paint by number illustration they liked better.

Tell me a point in history where the ideologies of one thought or belief was not on the back of those that believe differently. I may not agree with a person's personal decisions about what they put into their body, but I will certainly support their right to make those decisions.

 

[LickMyNuts]

The fact that you view what I said as an emotional attack says it all.

Good luck to you!

Please just stay in your concrete bunker.

Even republicans like Chris Christie are trying to sway people to get vaccinated.

Hope Hicks who is a slim runner in her 30’s got hammered by COVID-19.

Thanks for making my point even further. Your emotional attack and single-data-point anecdote are typical of the science-deniers and math-deniers in power who have relentlessly pushed lockdowns, masks, and genetic therapy "vaccines". If only the psychopaths in power actually cared about us, their cattle, and not merely about their own power.

Using Hope Hicks as a data point on how horrible covid is for 30-somethings? Really?
https://thehill.com/homenews/administra ... r-covid-19
"Hicks had mild symptoms during her bout with the virus."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12956900/ ... a-florida/

Are you meaning that YOU will be hiding out in a concrete bunker? People with a properly functioning immune system and without underlying conditions (diabetes, heart disease, other factors, etc.) have little to fear, and should go live life. The response all along should have been about protecting the most vulnerable. For example, those in nursing homes where about a quarter of covid deaths occurred despite being only 1/2 of 1% of the population.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... -staffing/

Personally, I would find it foolish to take ANY health-related "advice" from Chris Christie or Donald Trump. You are free to make your own decisions if you believe either one to be your personal health guru.

When the psychopaths in charge use manipulative tactics in an attempt to coerce healthy, low-risk groups to get an experimental genetic therapy injection "vaccine" that confers no benefit to them, and has nontrivial risks, it's highly suspicious behavior.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's just unfortunate that so many people in the country have chosen to make this about politics, instead of about health.

 

[BocciHawk]

Choosing to/not to get the vaccine is a completely personal decision, it doesnt impact anyone else, and certainly says nothing about their standing in society. Please.

Utter and complete garbage.

If too many people fail to get vaccinated, we will never get herd immunity, we will never have full home crowds at Seahawks games, and the odds of dangerous variants goes up massively, which endangers everyone, vaccinated or not.

Please spare me this concept that vaccination is a personal choice, it's not. If you choose to not get vaccinated, you are a selfish jerk, period, end of story.

You probably also make dangerous passing attempts in your vehicle when driving up in the mountains just to get a few cars ahead of everyone else.

 

[BocciHawk]

First, let me state that I have been vaccinated, and you probably should be if you are not already.

Nonetheless, the clinical trials of the vaccines did not test for the efficacy of preventing transmission. Now, there is some promising evidence that it does have a high degree of efficacy, but that research (the last time I check) is still in its relative infancy and thus inconclusive.

This means that, with the data that is currently available, even if you are vaccinated, going to a crowded sporting event is a bad idea because you can still spread the virus (albeit to a lesser degree than someone who is unvaccinated).

So perhaps we shouldn't shame the unvaccinated under the pretense that their actions are the only ones with consequences and acknowledge that the primary reason there is a push for vaccinations is not for health and safety but to open up the economy permanently. Because if the goal were health and safety, we would not have huge sporting events even if every attendee was vaccinated.

Random tidbit. There are real world scenarios that indicate that transmission goes way way down.

Israel was using the Pfizer vaccine exclusively. With only 40% or so of their population vaccinated, they saw a decrease of 80% in new cases. The remaining new cases had no clear link to anyone who was vaccinated, either.

It's simple statistics, math, not voodoo. At the time they were at 40% there were many countries that hadn't gotten to 10%, like the United States, and they had a clear dramatic reduction in transmission.

(I haven't checked in on that stuff since late February or early March, so have no idea how it's going now or if they are still exclusively Pfizer.)

 

[BocciHawk]

Hi, I responded to a couple of earlier comments, but wanted to separately bring forward some other stuff.

I have relatives who are young and in good health and had COVID.

In each case, they were super sick for weeks, and it's been six plus months, and they don't have proper sense of smell or taste still.

They were advised by many different sources that their immunity was probably starting to wane and they both got vaccinated recently. (just one shot of a typical two shot course)

This is apparently the standard now, so anyone who thinks that they can simply wait to get it, and it won't be that bad, and they'll have natural immunity, well, guess what... that's wrong!

It's especially wrong precisely because so many people aren't getting vaccinated that the variants are spreading and becoming a bigger problem than the original strain was. They had one of the very specific early strains of COVID-19 and it's highly likely that if they didn't get vaccinated, they'd fall victim to one of the newer strains.

So, by all means, be a total idiot, just please don't ask for the government to pay your hospital bill and all the ongoing cost of long term care if you end up with permanently scarred lungs. and stay away from me, and please don't come to Seahawks games.

 

[Ad Hawk]

Herd immunity can also come about through exposure. Most people will never even be symptomatic; those who are in danger can easily get access to the vaccine, wear masks, and have others bring them needed goods.

Personal liberty, and HIPAA laws matter more.

 

[jmahon316]

In regards to the Gov'na: Cool, will catch the Seahawks games in away stadiums that WON'T require that shit.

As far as HIPAA goes, I've talked to a few medical professional friends about it, and here's what they told me: It is absolutely your right to keep your medical history to yourself, but private businesses and entities have the right to restrict entry/association to those who haven't been COVID vaccinated (like with other vaccines) as a safety precaution, and it is then your right to express whether you've been vaccinated or not, but absolutely nobody else can and if THEY do without your consent, THAT is a HIPAA violation. That's just what I've heard from my medical profession friends though, I am in no way shape or form an expert in that field nor claim to be.

With that being said though, like I said before: Screw it, I'll just see what I want to see in other ways/venues. I'm not saying I will never get the vaccine, just going to wait it out for a little while, while I still (temporarily) have my freedom of choice.