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[hawker84]

I'm all for the moves if the counter moves makes sense. I however have no idea what the plan is at QB. I see no upside to dealing Geno and bringing in a Darnold or Roger's or drafting a rookie and starting Howell. I mean I get Geno wanted too much, but he was under cotract, play it out with him one more season and then let him walk. I love moving on from DK. Bring in a burner who can stretch the field and let JSN do his thing underneath. JMO

 

[CalgaryFan05]

I'm surprised at the reactions. I thought I would be near alone in loving the crap out of this. Geno and DK were always way overrated by this board and Lockett should have retired after 2023. All together, we were set to pay huge salaries to mid players, all to have a sub mid offense yet again.

Now JS has 1 clear job and all the assets to it - fix the frigging OL already! There's no PC to blame his failings on this time. If we don't have a top-12 OL by the end of 2025, JS needs to go.

 

[Hawkpower]

I'm all for the moves if the counter moves makes sense. I however have no idea what the plan is at QB. I see no upside to dealing Geno and bringing in a Darnold or Roger's or drafting a rookie and starting Howell. I mean I get Geno wanted too much, but he was under cotract, play it out with him one more season and then let him walk. I love moving on from DK. Bring in a burner who can stretch the field and let JSN do his thing underneath. JMO

Why let him walk and play as a malcontent when you could deal him and pick up a third and start your future now?

 

[pittpnthrs]

I think we look like a bit of a joke organization right now. I don't think that this is a premier destination for players any longer due to the perception that you can't finish a career here or get extended reasonably if you become a star.

Winning cures all, but if they don't keep up the winning this year, I think it spirals fast and I think John Schneider gets canned which puts Macdonald on a hotter seat.

High, high leverage year in terms of determining the future trajectory of this organization. It feels like there's a void in the building that Pete used to fill. We're missing a glue guy to hold things together.

Big risks. Selling fairly low on big name players because they asked to get out after not being rewarded. That looks really, really bad if your bets don't turn into wins.

I can't disagree with you more Mael. Why does the organization look like a joke because they unloaded some players that would have kept us in purgatory and wanted more money than they were worth? Also, what star player are you speaking of that would cause such a perception, because I can't think of any that the team has had lately.

Winning isn't the biggest factor this upcoming season or the next. This is a rebuild and sometimes you have to take a step backwards before you can move forward.

What void did Pete fill? I lost all faith in Pete when the team was stuck for a decade. He offered nothing at the end and the inmates always ran the asylum with him. MM is different in that he'll get rid of a player or whoever at the drop of a dime if their not producing and that was sorely missing.

Fairly low? They were asking for more money than they were worth. I think being fans of said players has clouded your judgement.

 

[Maelstrom787]

I can't disagree with you more Mael. Why does the organization look like a joke because they unloaded some players that would have kept us in purgatory and wanted more money than they were worth? Also, what star player are you speaking of that would cause such a perception, because I can't think of any that the team has had lately.

Winning isn't the biggest factor this upcoming season or the next. This is a rebuild and sometimes you have to take a step backwards before you can move forward.

What void did Pete fill? I lost all faith in Pete when the team was stuck for a decade. He offered nothing at the end and the inmates always ran the asylum with him. MM is different in that he'll get rid of a player or whoever at the drop of a dime if their not producing and that was sorely missing.

Fairly low? They were asking for more money than they were worth. I think being fans of said players has clouded your judgement.

Geno, admittedly, yes I am a massive fan. DK kinda pissed me off but I liked that he was a physical unicorn and had fire. I don't mind losing DK and, sure, while I personally hate losing Geno my issue is really how this went down.

I think what makes us look bad is that they both requested to get out. I think it looks bad that the impression being echoed by former players about the organization is that they feel like no one could ever finish their career here. I think it looks bad that these trades were reactive decisions rather than proactive plans.

I don't think a full rebuild is appropriate after an ascendant season, and I don't think anyone in the FO or coaching staff would agree that they are rebuilding. I don't think they have that type of leash, and I think they all get fired within 2 years if they don't keep improving.

The void I think Pete filled is one of culture and vision. I don't think (debatably) cornerstone guys wanted to leave as bad as they seem to now. I think Mike is a fantastic coach, but I think the organization is missing a CEO type to keep John, the staff, the players, etc. all on the same page.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Geno, admittedly, yes I am a massive fan. DK kinda pissed me off but I liked that he was a physical unicorn and had fire. I don't mind losing DK and, sure, while I personally hate losing Geno my issue is really how this went down.

I think what makes us look bad is that they both requested to get out. I think it looks bad that the impression being echoed by former players about the organization is that they feel like no one could ever finish their career here. I think it looks bad that these trades were reactive decisions rather than proactive plans.

I don't think a full rebuild is appropriate after an ascendant season, and I don't think anyone in the FO or coaching staff would agree that they are rebuilding. I don't think they have that type of leash, and I think they all get fired within 2 years if they don't keep improving.

The void I think Pete filled is one of culture and vision. I don't think (debatably) cornerstone guys wanted to leave as bad as they seem to now. I think Mike is a fantastic coach, but I think the organization is missing a CEO type to keep John, the staff, the players, etc. all on the same page.

I know we looked at Geno with opposing opinions, but that's here no there. I don't understand why you are bothered by how things went down. Geno wanted his payday and the FO didn't feel he was worth the asking price. It was business, nothing personal. Happens everyday in the NFL. DK lost his mentor and teammate with Tyler and i'm sure that stung. He also probably caught wind of Geno leaving before the rest of us did. Lastly, he was chasing money too. Happens. I don't feel any of it was bad blood for anybody on a personal level.

Who ever finishes their career with one team in the league in this day and age? I can't think of anybody. Maybe a star QB, but that's even a rarity in this day and age. I don't feel that's a factor in anybodys decision making. That's silly. The NFL became a business with the cap. You can't keep teams together like they did in the 70's.

How can the FO and staff not recognize that it's a rebuild when they themselves were the root of it? They blew up the entire identity of the offense. They didn't feel the offense with the aging Geno and Tyler along with an underachieving DK was worth keeping. MM and staff have a vision and those pieces didn't fit the puzzle anymore.

Culture I can understand, but the vision is where you lost me. I couldn't see where he was trying to go. I saw a coach that won just enough that the organization was in limbo, but was never getting over the hump to become a contender again. As for JS being kept in check, I think that was a two way street. Right now, John is on a prove it schedule. If he's as good as some think, he'll be fine. If not, he'll be gone.

I'm excited for the direction of the team right now. At least they are trying something different which is a fresh approach and dearly needed. Could it end up in a disaster,,,,,,sure. Could it be a thing of beauty,,,,you bet. Let's just give it a chance and enjoy the ride either way.

 

[Nosferatu]

My personal opinion is they are taking a baby step back to make a bigger leap in the future. Obviously, in a vacuum, you never want to lose players like Geno or DK. But the NFL is not a vacuum and there are salary cap implications as well as overall salary spent on the team. The devil will be in the details with whom we draft and how the team looks going forward. But I am definitely not depressed and can't wait for the season to start!

 

[toffee]

Geno, admittedly, yes I am a massive fan.

Then you ought to be very happy for him right now? I am, opened a bottle of prosecco to celebrate the second the news came out.

 

[Lagartixa]

I consider it a lot more likely at this point that we're back to 1992 than back to 2010.

 

[SmokinHawk]

I'm not exactly brimming with confidence right now.

 

[Smellyman]

I guess I don’t trust JS right now to actually make the moves that can bring us back to a Championship team. He has failed badly in many ways the last 10 years.

I still hope for the best but don’t have a ton of confidence.

Pete was a huge part of it. JS' show now

 

[Ozzy]

The more I think about it the more I love it. It needed to be done. You've turned into the Mariners and while risky to get rid of guys like Geno and DK I would rather risk it and fail than to just keep doing what you've been doing. They're the 4th longest in the entire conference to make the NFCCG, they are falling behind everyone in their own division. We should want this. Coud it fail? Sure but the process is a good one.

Macdonald/John can now be ultra aggressive fixing the line, they're brigning back the entire defense that played lights out at the end of the year for the first time in 7 years and you can get your QB of the future.

I do get being upset if some of your favorite players are gone but I also think this is what smart teams do.

 

[Ozzy]

Geno, admittedly, yes I am a massive fan. DK kinda pissed me off but I liked that he was a physical unicorn and had fire. I don't mind losing DK and, sure, while I personally hate losing Geno my issue is really how this went down.

I think what makes us look bad is that they both requested to get out. I think it looks bad that the impression being echoed by former players about the organization is that they feel like no one could ever finish their career here. I think it looks bad that these trades were reactive decisions rather than proactive plans.

I don't think a full rebuild is appropriate after an ascendant season, and I don't think anyone in the FO or coaching staff would agree that they are rebuilding. I don't think they have that type of leash, and I think they all get fired within 2 years if they don't keep improving.

The void I think Pete filled is one of culture and vision. I don't think (debatably) cornerstone guys wanted to leave as bad as they seem to now. I think Mike is a fantastic coach, but I think the organization is missing a CEO type to keep John, the staff, the players, etc. all on the same page.

I don't understand why we would look like a joke. This is what good teams do and the league agreed with us as Geno netted a 3rd rounder. My guess is John/Mike probably knew Geno wanted out and made him an offer but have always had a plan B for if he doesn't take it.

How is the culture worse when you had two key players sign without even testing the market?

Sherman complaining about people not finishing with one team is just more Sherman complaining about stuff than reality. How many guys finish with one team? Almost no one does anymore because its a business. The guys complaining about being let go and not being able to finish were mostly with Pete as the coach, not Mike.

A lot of smart football minds have been praising the Seahawks the past couple of days. Jay Gruden posted a video among others saying this is what smart teams do.

 

[DTiempo81]

I don't understand why we would look like a joke. This is what good teams do and the league agreed with us as Geno netted a 3rd rounder. My guess is John/Mike probably knew Geno wanted out and made him an offer but have always had a plan B for if he doesn't take it.

How is the culture worse when you had two key players sign without even testing the market?

Sherman complaining about people not finishing with one team is just more Sherman complaining about stuff than reality. How many guys finish with one team? Almost no one does anymore because its a business. The guys complaining about being let go and not being able to finish were mostly with Pete as the coach, not Mike.

A lot of smart football minds have been praising the Seahawks the past couple of days. Jay Gruden posted a video among others saying this is what smart teams do.

I totally agree with sentiment, but using Jay Gruden as an example is absolutely hilarious.

 

[Sperrydogg]

It’s dark but I always like caves….

 

[Ozzy]

I totally agree with sentiment, but using Jay Gruden as an example is absolutely hilarious.

I thought so too lol

 

[hawker84]

Why let him walk and play as a malcontent when you could deal him and pick up a third and start your future now?

Because he's better than anything you bring in now. And deal him for what? A 3rd? You're getting a third for the most important position on your team? That sounds like a good idea to you? Not me.

 

[Hawkpower]

Because he's better than anything you bring in now. And deal him for what? A 3rd? You're getting a third for the most important position on your team? That sounds like a good idea to you? Not me.

A third is better than letting him walk for nothing. Besides, not sure what more you expected from a mid tier QB who is in his final part of his career.

We can evaluate whether he is "better" than what we end up doing once we do. Right now, it's an incomplete

 

[Chukarhawk]

Because he's better than anything you bring in now. And deal him for what? A 3rd? You're getting a third for the most important position on your team? That sounds like a good idea to you? Not me.

Thats reality. Reality is that Geno was mediocre. He wanted a trade and after shopping him the best they could get was a 3rd rounder from his former coach who loves him. The rest of the league got a shot at bringing Geno in and the resounding response was "meh, thanks were good" I'm not giant Darnold fan but its undeniable he is a better QB. its very clear to me JS and coach mac are cleaning house and making this their team, not Pete's. This is another clear step. It might be a step back this year, it might not. Coach wants a physical team. We aren't that on offense, but we will be. We have a shit ton of draft picks and now have a huge budget to go get the right FA's. Take heart this IS the right step forward.

 

[hawker84]

Thats reality. Reality is that Geno was mediocre. He wanted a trade and after shopping him the best they could get was a 3rd rounder from his former coach who loves him. The rest of the league got a shot at bringing Geno in and the resounding response was "meh, thanks were good" I'm not giant Darnold fan but its undeniable he is a better QB. its very clear to me JS and coach mac are cleaning house and making this their team, not Pete's. This is another clear step. It might be a step back this year, it might not. Coach wants a physical team. We aren't that on offense, but we will be. We have a shit ton of draft picks and now have a huge budget to go get the right FA's. Take heart this IS the right step forward.

Darnold is not a better QB that's silly talk. And tough sh*t geno wanted a trade, he was under contract he had no say. Having said that, maybe the seahawks have a plan for the QB position, I hope so. Because otherwise this trade makes zero sense.