Tyreke Hill and the cops

[Mizak]

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question, can the Dolphins organization ban those cops from attending Dolphin home games?

 

[Mizak]

Video shows officers dragged WR Tyreek Hill out of car after he put window back up; Dolphins release statement

The Dolphins released a statement on the incident, expressing sadness over the conduct shown to Hill and his teammates Calais Campbell and Jonnu Smith, and urging "strong action against the officers" involved.

"We are saddened by the overly aggressive and violent conduct directed towards Tyreek Hill, Calais Campbell and Jonnu Smith by police officers before yesterday's game," the statement read. "It is both maddening and heartbreaking to watch the very people we trust to protect our community use such unnecessary force and hostility towards these players, yet it is also a reminder that not every situation like this ends in peace, as we are grateful this one did. 'What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?' is a question that will carry with resounding impact.



One video showed the motorcycle officer who had pulled Hill over on the roadway leading into Hard Rock Stadium. He had apparently already struck or tapped on the window of Hill's McClaren sports car.

The officer looked inside and demanded to know why Hill didn't have his seatbelt on. Hill, through the open window, said to the officer, "Don't do my window like that."

"Why do you have it up?" the officer replied.

"Do what you gotta do" Hill said and put the darkly tinted window back up.

"Keep your window down," the officer told him, tapping on the glass.

The officer paused for about five seconds and looked around. He told Hill again to keep the window down or "I am going to get you out of the car. As a matter of fact, get out of the car."

The officer then demanded Hill open the door. Another officers stepped up and said, "Get out of the car or I will break that ... window," using an obscenity.

The door opened and the second officer reached in and grabbed Hill by the arm and the back of the head as the player said, "I am getting out."

The second officer forced Hill face first onto the ground. The officers forced Hill's arms behind his back as Hill yelled into his cellphone, "I am getting arrested Drew." It was unclear if he was talking to his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, or the team's director of security, Drew Brooks. Both soon showed up at the scene.

The officers handcuff Hill and one put a knee in the middle of his back. "If we tell you to do something, do it."

 

[Torc]

Question, will Tyreek Hill follow a reasonable instruction like "roll your window down" the next time he is pulled over? You roll up your tinted windows, the cop has no idea if you're pulling out a weapon to threaten him. It did seem pretty over the top once he was out though. And your buddies should not ever stop to "help" you when you're pulled over.

 

[projectorfreak]

That just seemed way way overboard as if they were backwater cops who had a personal grudge with the driver , not sure what the laws are there but some of that is over the line and I can totally see why hill would be pissed , he looked really mad after he scored yesterday so I'm guessing this was on his mind
I would be surprised if some of the cops don't regret it
However on the other hand there are a bunch of police there , kinda looked like a high speed chase stop so who knows the whole story

 

[knownone]

Both parties are at fault. Hill should have listened to the police officers, who told him several times to keep his window rolled down. This is painfully obvious in the video. Failure to comply with direct orders is always seen as an escalation. The officers should have been more lenient once Hill was out of the car and clearly more aloof than defensive.

While it was obviously a scary situation for Hill, it doesn't seem motivated by anything nefarious.

 

[Torc]

However on the other hand there are a bunch of police there , kinda looked like a high speed chase stop so who knows the whole story

This is a really good point. Everything I've seen has been after they have Hill stopped. No idea what they stopped him for - was he taking advantage of his car's power and going insanely fast? I have no idea. But I've seen several videos and articles (I've posted a good example below) where people think that the cops should have recognized him and let him through because he was going to play in a football game. (and was arriving at the stadium hours before game time...) I guess if you pull a dude in a McLaren over outside the stadium it's a pretty good bet that he's a player....but I wouldn't recognize more than a handful of players out of uniform on the Seahawks.

 

[Vesuve]

Question, will Tyreek Hill follow a reasonable instruction like "roll your window down" the next time he is pulled over? You roll up your tinted windows, the cop has no idea if you're pulling out a weapon to threaten him. It did seem pretty over the top once he was out though. And your buddies should not ever stop to "help" you when you're pulled over.

From this, it seems Tyreek Hill is the cause of this whole incident.

Never refuse an officer's instructions, even if you disagree with it, and never roll up a tinted window.

I've never worked or been trained in law enforcement.

It's common sense in our armed society.

 

[Cyrus12]

What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill? So is he saying this that he was targeted because he is who he is? Hill was being uncooperative from point of contact but did the cops need to toss him outta the car and onto the ground?? Not sure about that as thing escalated quickly. I don't know how things are down there but Hill has been violent in the past..ask his kids..

 

[hgwellz12]

I don't want you know who to lock the thread so I will just say "FTP" and keep it pushing.

 

[Jville]

There are much more entertaining you tube videos about entitled "Karens" than the latest Tyreek Hill episode.

 

[GeekHawk]

My older brother is a retired cop. He started out alright but as the years went by and he encountered more and more bad people he turned into quite the a-hole. He even had to get shrink counseling after an incident or two. Pretty much every one of his cop friends that I ever met were A-1 a-holes. Having that job and dealing with the actual bad people that you deal with does that to you, I guess. Although I always thought that most of them started out that way.

That being said, they really do have a legitimate fear of being shot in any encounter. If you're a cop and somebody you've stopped chooses to hide behind a darkened car window I think you would naturally assume there's a higher chance that you're about to be shot. Since people these days are mentally way weaker then people used to be, that fear will get the adrenalin up and you (being mentally weak) will act irrationally. That's both you the cop, and you the Tyreek Hill.

Tyreek Hill's "What if I wasn't Tyreek Hill?" quote obviously refers to his perception (sadly, probably accurate) that if he was just another black man he might well have ended up dead and the only reason he didn't was because he is who he is. Anyone who thinks different is just bloviating.

I personally think this whole episode points to the cops being too afraid of their job conditions, and the general population being too uncooperative and empathetic to what the cops go through every day. De-escalation should be done by both sides IMHO.

As a retirement-age 100% white dude with three beautiful 4 - 6 year old grandchildren with black daddies, I would very much like to see all this bullshit just stop. On both sides. I want them to grow up without any of these simmering fears inside.

 

[chris98251]

Careless driving was the ticket, then the not wearing seatbelt. Hardly a swat team situation. Seems that they were aware of who it was, you run plates to know if car was stolen etc and whether driver has a warrant.

Hill was at fault for not complying however.

 

[EverydayImRusselin]

Feels like those officers don't have the mental capacity to be in a position of power. Nothing extremely aggregious but I could see an alternate scenario that's ends in a much worse outcome.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

While I can't stand Hill, this was beyond ridiculous.

 

[hgwellz12]

There's been school shooters treated nicer than that.

 

[WmHBonney]

When you're being stopped by the police, you need to comply with their orders. You don't get an opinion. They are in charge whether you agree or not. Hill failed to comply. He was a dick from the beginning, and he knew it. Hill could have received his ticket and been on his way simply by keeping the window down and keeping his mouth shut. Argue your case in court. That is what courts are for. Don't argue on the side of the road. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

 

[hgwellz12]

When you're being stopped by the police, you need to comply with their orders. You don't get an opinion. They are in charge whether you agree or not. Hill failed to comply. He was a dick from the beginning, and he knew it. Hill could have received his ticket and been on his way simply by keeping the window down and keeping his mouth shut. Argue your case in court. That is what courts are for. Don't argue on the side of the road. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Literally NOTHING he did warranted their response, and the sooner people stop giving roided out, brittle ego, power tripping cops passes for their misconduct, the sooner we might actually get type of accountability for their bullshit. It's not against the law to hurt a pussy grown ass man"s feelings. Fukk them and the hole they crawled out of from '93 til Infinity. If they can't deal with the public in a safer, more professional manner, then they need to hurry up and fill out some applications for a different industry away from the public. Personally I am beyond tired of my taxes going to big payouts for civil rights abusing cops. They should be made to carry liability/malpractice insurance. And/or the payments should tax their pensions. No other profession would allow bullshit like this. Hell, McDonald's cashiers deal with far more egregious shit daily.

 

[hgwellz12]

And why tf was there that many cops there immediately for a simple traffic stop in the first place? I'd tell you why but you'll just say I'm crazy. Just know that this shit, and far worse, has been happening to some of us forever. We weren't making shit up for shits n giggles back in the 80s & 90s before bodycams became widespread. FTP. FTP. FTFAP.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Sad thing is that there is a TON of great cops. This just give officers a bad name. And more fuel for the cop bashers.

 

[cymatica]

Never refuse an officer's instructions, even if you disagree with it, and never roll up a tinted window.

I've never worked or been trained in law enforcement.

It's common sense in our armed society.

I have refused an officers instructions, you just have to know your rights. I don't let cops intimidate me into giving up my rights.

That aside, Hill is an idiot and in Florida you are required to roll down your window during a traffic stop by law. Hill gave him a legitimate reason to escalate especially with completely tinted windows