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Tre got 100% snap counts on Cowboys game, Pete is playing him a lot and showing confidence in him. How did he played? Anyone got PFF on him?
Flowers has kept teams from beating him deep.
“He’s a real savvy, aware football player,” Carroll said. “It makes sense for him. The game’s not difficult for him at all, and I think it’s because he’s been in the middle of so much. Kind of like a quarterback has a feel for the whole game different than other positions, I felt like he had a real sense that could help him in making the transition.
“There’s a whole mentality that playing out there (at cornerback), particularly when you’re a press team like we are and we put you right on the line of scrimmage and you’re playing the fastest, best athletes in the world playing the game, that can be overwhelming. It can be daunting to have to face that play in and play out. Not everybody always embraced that mentality, the challenge of that because they have to really be disciplined. They have to be disciplined mentally and not let what just happened affect them. It’s the whole thing you think about with corners, but it’s not just about getting beat deep and how do you come back. It’s about allowing the information to go away and kind of come back to the technique, particularly the way we play and we’re so dedicated to press. It’s really about the discipline of the next snap and the next step you take and you’re focused back in again. If you’re a guy that has trouble turning the rest of the world away, then it’s a harder process. He is really sharp, as is Shaq (Shaquill Griffin). Both these guys have been very similar in the way they’ve handled the start of this thing and really impressive in that.” [urltargetblank]https://www.seahawks.com/news/seahawks-mailbag-tre-flowers-the-o-line-kids-with-mascots-more-in-this-week-s-se[/urltargetblank]
pittpnthrs":1055chdq said:He's been pretty mediocre at best in my opinion, but he's a rookie that shouldnt be out there, but is forced to at this point. I do believe he'll pan out over time though.
pittpnthrs":3e9iuis8 said:He's been pretty mediocre at best in my opinion, but he's a rookie that shouldnt be out there, but is forced to at this point. I do believe he'll pan out over time though.
Mediocre is being kind sir as PFF rated him as one of the worst starting CB. As a homer, he’s one of my adopted rookies, I expect him to be average by the later stage of this season.pittpnthrs":332tb3vo said:He's been pretty mediocre at best in my opinion, but he's a rookie that shouldnt be out there, but is forced to at this point. I do believe he'll pan out over time though.
toffee":2seykdg0 said:Mediocre is being kind sir as PFF rated him as one of the worst starting CB. As a homer, he’s one of my adopted rookies, I expect him to be average by the later stage of this season.pittpnthrs":2seykdg0 said:He's been pretty mediocre at best in my opinion, but he's a rookie that shouldnt be out there, but is forced to at this point. I do believe he'll pan out over time though.
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hawknation2018":1nrzf6h3 said:toffee":1nrzf6h3 said:Mediocre is being kind sir as PFF rated him as one of the worst starting CB. As a homer, he’s one of my adopted rookies, I expect him to be average by the later stage of this season.pittpnthrs":1nrzf6h3 said:He's been pretty mediocre at best in my opinion, but he's a rookie that shouldnt be out there, but is forced to at this point. I do believe he'll pan out over time though.
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PFF gave him a grade just under 50, which is a tremendous improvement from the 30-something grade he received in his first game.
I thought he showed more improvement in Week 3 than anticipated. He only allowed a 60 QB rating and 44% completions. He’s keeping the receiver in front of him, by and large. The pass breakup he had that led to an INT was a tremendous play.
I was really down on him after the first game. I think he will be picked on a lot for the rest of the season and will probably allow a few big plays where he beat over the top or on crossing routes that require better agility and technique to defend. But I think he is by far the best option, his length, instincts and attitude are very exciting, and he is progressing faster than I personally anticipated.
Mad Dog":2tnqs603 said:hawknation2018":2tnqs603 said:toffee":2tnqs603 said:Mediocre is being kind sir as PFF rated him as one of the worst starting CB. As a homer, he’s one of my adopted rookies, I expect him to be average by the later stage of this season.pittpnthrs":2tnqs603 said:He's been pretty mediocre at best in my opinion, but he's a rookie that shouldnt be out there, but is forced to at this point. I do believe he'll pan out over time though.
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PFF gave him a grade just under 50, which is a tremendous improvement from the 30-something grade he received in his first game.
I thought he showed more improvement in Week 3 than anticipated. He only allowed a 60 QB rating and 44% completions. He’s keeping the receiver in front of him, by and large. The pass breakup he had that led to an INT was a tremendous play.
I was really down on him after the first game. I think he will be picked on a lot for the rest of the season and will probably allow a few big plays where he beat over the top or on crossing routes that require better agility and technique to defend. But I think he is by far the best option, his length, instincts and attitude are very exciting, and he is progressing faster than I personally anticipated.
He hasn't gotten beat over the top yet and if he gets beat on a crossing route its not likely his fault as he's been brought in as a boundary corner. Its the DC's job to keep him schemed away from covering crossing routes. Our system is predicated on lanky corners providing boundary coverage with the safeties, linebackers and nickel corners providing coverage of the crossers and underneath routes.
I doubt PFF really understands our defense and every player's role in it. As long as Flowers isn't getting beat deep, isn't missing tackles, he's doing the job Carroll wants him to do. So I'd rather see Carroll's grade than PFF.
Personally I think Flowers and Dissly might be the steals of the draft.
hawknation2018":3t1bvkex said:Mad Dog":3t1bvkex said:hawknation2018":3t1bvkex said:toffee":3t1bvkex said:Mediocre is being kind sir as PFF rated him as one of the worst starting CB. As a homer, he’s one of my adopted rookies, I expect him to be average by the later stage of this season.
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PFF gave him a grade just under 50, which is a tremendous improvement from the 30-something grade he received in his first game.
I thought he showed more improvement in Week 3 than anticipated. He only allowed a 60 QB rating and 44% completions. He’s keeping the receiver in front of him, by and large. The pass breakup he had that led to an INT was a tremendous play.
I was really down on him after the first game. I think he will be picked on a lot for the rest of the season and will probably allow a few big plays where he beat over the top or on crossing routes that require better agility and technique to defend. But I think he is by far the best option, his length, instincts and attitude are very exciting, and he is progressing faster than I personally anticipated.
He hasn't gotten beat over the top yet and if he gets beat on a crossing route its not likely his fault as he's been brought in as a boundary corner. Its the DC's job to keep him schemed away from covering crossing routes. Our system is predicated on lanky corners providing boundary coverage with the safeties, linebackers and nickel corners providing coverage of the crossers and underneath routes.
I doubt PFF really understands our defense and every player's role in it. As long as Flowers isn't getting beat deep, isn't missing tackles, he's doing the job Carroll wants him to do. So I'd rather see Carroll's grade than PFF.
Personally I think Flowers and Dissly might be the steals of the draft.
He has been beaten over the top (a couple times at least in the first game) but one was overthrown and the other wasn’t attempted due to pressure. He was also beaten on a crossing route (man coverage), which was completed.