Time to protest Bevell/Cable!!!!!

[seabowl]

I know this may be a little crazy but does anyone think that fans (us) would ever consider doing some form of a protest of the ineptitude of Bevell/Cable etc... Whether it's banners at the game or as they did once in NY fly a plane over Jets practice with a banner saying "Fire Idzik". I don't know about anyone else here but I'm fed up with what has gone on with the offensive ineptness with Bevell/Cable and the line the last few years.

Anyone else in because....

I'm in!!!!

And Seahawk fans wonder why other fan bases hate them.

:34853_doh:

They hate us because we aren't them? Because we're passive towards our FO when other fans aren't?

Or because we contemplate protesting the OC/OL coach, days after boasting how we were going to go into Lambeau and handle them with ease.

Pro Tip: If Bevell survived the back lash post SB49.. a little protest won't do anything.

But have fun?

Doesn't need to be a little protest. Get some folks together that believe Bevell/Cable should go, raise some $$$$, hire a plane and fly the Fire Bevell/Cable banner over Seattle. That simple.

 

[LudwigsDrummer]

What if the 12s sent letters directly to the boss man (Paul Allen) listing our concerns. If he got enough from his own fan base HE may start to take notice. At this point, I believe only Paul would truly demand that changes occur sooner rather than later.

Foolish plan. An owner would look big picture before breaking up his BILLION dollar toy.
Big picture is playoffs almost guaranteed every year(if that isn't enough), over a decade of home sellouts, a waiting list of 12000 begging for season tickets, THE most successful NFC team the last 5 years. That is big picture. Some of you think Behring still owns the team.

 

[Siouxhawk]

So, I just looked up bevel's season records as OC since he started with the viqueens in 2006. The only really good seasons he's had were 2009 (12-4), and 2012 - 2014 (11-5, 13-3, and 12-4 respectively). In 2009 he got Favre for his first of 2 years in Minne. Since that was Favre's first year in bevel's system, you can bet he didn't know it well or follow it very closely. The next year the record (still with Favre, but with another year under bevel's offense) the record was 6-10. First year in Seattle, with T-Jack (who knew the system from being the starter in Minne in 2007 when he went 8-8), the record was 7-9. Then a miracle occurred and we got RW... But since he's come to know and fully understand bevel's system (per words from PC's mouth) the record has been going steadily downhill. 2015, 10-6. 2016, 10-5-1. This year? Who knows yet? I'm not expecting 12 wins, that's for sure!

Now who wants to tell me again about what a frickin' genius bevel is? I don't know how to play piano, but if I was watching somebody on stage randomly pounding keys I would certainly recognize that I was not watching a genius musician... No, bevel and cable didn't bring us a Lombardi trophy. That despite them, NOT because of them.

Not sure what your point is with the whole Minnesota thing as those teams did get better every year until the roof literally fell in on the 2010 season.
But with the Hawks he's been one of the architects in building this thing up as he's worked in lockstep with Pete. And not giving him any credit for being a part of securing two Super Bowl berths and 1 championship is downright foolish. Anyone will tell you that. And going from 10-6 to 10-5-1 actually isn't regressing. Anyone will tell you that too.

 

[cymatica]

And going from 10-6 to 10-5-1 actually isn't regressing. Anyone will tell you that too.

No but going 13-3 , 11-5, 10-6, 10-5-1 is regressing.

 

[Sports Hernia]

And Seahawk fans wonder why other fan bases hate them.

:34853_doh:

They hate us because we aren't them? Because we're passive towards our FO when other fans aren't?

Or because we contemplate protesting the OC/OL coach, days after boasting how we were going to go into Lambeau and handle them with ease.

Pro Tip: If Bevell survived the back lash post SB49.. a little protest won't do anything.

But have fun?

Doesn't need to be a little protest. Get some folks together that believe Bevell/Cable should go, raise some $$$$, hire a plane and fly the Fire Bevell/Cable banner over Seattle. That simple.

Yeah, that work so well when Sants Clara fans did that to Jedthro York.

 

[jammerhawk]

As long as we keep making the playoffs, they will continue to hang on by the skin of their nuts. It would take the players to revolt IMO, and that didn't work out too well for Sherman.

Or maybe the players have no qualms with the coaches because they understand that the plan will work if executed properly.

You literally cannot be this blind you have to be either Bevell or his mother.

Prove me wrong. I, on the other hand, can document Doug saying a few weeks ago that he highly respects Bev because he gets the maximum out of each and every player.

Wow, disagree and cite Jimmy Graham as an example of Bevell's incapability to effectively incorporate a talented player into this O. Maybe this may be the year, three seasons in?

Here is a hypothetical? When in the last few seasons has the O taken over a game and won it for the D instead of the D winning it for the O? The 70% win rate for the team has more to do with great D than capable O.

Doug is a team player that prefers to do his aggitating behind closed doors. I suspect the whole D has qualms about the competence of the O and we are hearing it from players too like Sherman and Thomas with low level muttering from others.

 

[Siouxhawk]

Or maybe the players have no qualms with the coaches because they understand that the plan will work if executed properly.

You literally cannot be this blind you have to be either Bevell or his mother.

Prove me wrong. I, on the other hand, can document Doug saying a few weeks ago that he highly respects Bev because he gets the maximum out of each and every player.

Wow, disagree and cite Jimmy Graham as an example of Bevell's incapability to effectively incorporate a talented player into this O.

Doug is a team player that prefers to do his aggitating behind closed doors. I suspect the whole D has qualms about the competence of the O and we are hearing it from players too like Sherman and Thomas.

Wow Jammer, never expected you to be one that got carried away with the flippant pack mentality. But it's your prerogative.


I wholeheartedly disagree that Jimmy is being underused. He set a franchise high for yards and TDs last year for crying out loud. He also was needed to function as a blocker or chipper at times to save Russ's scalp. He had one of the highest snap counts of all the specialists. All this while barely being able to get on the field as he recovered from a severe knee injury.

This year, 7 targets, 2 of which came in the end zone. He had a couple of big drops and was mugged on a terrible no-call in the end zone.

And you are completely mistaken about Doug. Along with Bennett, he is the most outspoken player on the team who doesn't mince words in the slightest. If anything, he would have remained silent when the media asked specifically about Bevell a few weeks ago. Instead, he publically applauded him by saying he gets the maximum out of every player he coaches and he stood up for his innovative route concepts. All in black and white.

And neither Sherm and Earl have criticized Bev as a coach. Sherm's only displeasure was going with a pass on the 1 last year and Earl was just extrapolating on the defense needing to make the game-deciding plays because that's how the team is built and resources allocated.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

You know who was a Gibbs disciple?.........................One Mr. Tom Cable.

Incorrect. Tom Cabel only worked with Gibbs once in 2006. Then he was fired.

Disciple just means they either coached with or modeled their coaching style after the person. Cable has said many times that he's modeled his ZBS schemes after Gibbs. Therefore............disciple.

 

[sdog1981]

You know who was a Gibbs disciple?.........................One Mr. Tom Cable.

Incorrect. Tom Cabel only worked with Gibbs once in 2006. Then he was fired.

Disciple just means they either coached with or modeled their coaching style after the person. Cable has said many times that he's modeled his ZBS schemes after Gibbs. Therefore............disciple.

Stating that you are a disciple and being one are two different things. Cable can say he wants to be like Gibbs but he drafts linemen from 80's i.e. big dudes. Gibbs always had the smallest linemen in the league and Cable has a line that is in the top 10 of starting lines in terms of weight.

He is an article written with Rose Colored glass describing Cables system.

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2012/4/18/29 ... s-identity

 

[12thbrah]

The Bengals just fired their OC for not scoring a touchdown in the first 2 games. So if the Hawks screw the pooch against the Whiners and can't get into the endzone again perhaps Bevell gets chopped.

 

[Siouxhawk]

The Bengals just fired their OC for not scoring a touchdown in the first 2 games. So if the Hawks screw the pooch against the Whiners and can't get into the endzone again perhaps Bevell gets chopped.

Are you saying the Hawks won't score a TD on Sunday?

 

[jammerhawk]

You literally cannot be this blind you have to be either Bevell or his mother.

Prove me wrong. I, on the other hand, can document Doug saying a few weeks ago that he highly respects Bev because he gets the maximum out of each and every player.

Wow, disagree and cite Jimmy Graham as an example of Bevell's incapability to effectively incorporate a talented player into this O.

Doug is a team player that prefers to do his aggitating behind closed doors. I suspect the whole D has qualms about the competence of the O and we are hearing it from players too like Sherman and Thomas.

Wow Jammer, never expected you to be one that got carried away with the flippant pack mentality. But it's your prerogative.


I wholeheartedly disagree that Jimmy is being underused. He set a franchise high for yards and TDs last year for crying out loud. He also was needed to function as a blocker or chipper at times to save Russ's scalp. He had one of the highest snap counts of all the specialists. All this while barely being able to get on the field as he recovered from a severe knee injury.

This year, 7 targets, 2 of which came in the end zone. He had a couple of big drops and was mugged on a terrible no-call in the end zone.

And you are completely mistaken about Doug. Along with Bennett, he is the most outspoken player on the team who doesn't mince words in the slightest. If anything, he would have remained silent when the media asked specifically about Bevell a few weeks ago. Instead, he publically applauded him by saying he gets the maximum out of every player he coaches and he stood up for his innovative route concepts. All in black and white.

And neither Sherm and Earl have criticized Bev as a coach. Sherm's only displeasure was going with a pass on the 1 last year and Earl was just extrapolating on the defense needing to make the game-deciding plays because that's how the team is built and resources allocated.

Graham has been a pale shadow here compared to his performance in NO when he was a key component of the Saints's O and a perpetual All Pro TE. Here unfortunately not so much. Setting a team record last season for TE yardage last season only shows how poorly the TE has been used here in the past and not how well Graham is being utilized. I accept that that last season he was utilized better but not to the level he has shown he can deliver but never has here. Yes he got mugged in the endzone in GB and the non- call on theplay was a part of the perfidy against the team by the referees in that game.

It's the O as a whole that is being criticized by the defensive player comments, it's semantic pettifogging to distinguish Sherman's comments as not being critical of Bevell but only of the play called. We simply disagree on Doug who has been always very careful not to criticize the team yet he too has flipped the bird to Bevell in the past. He was just re-upped to be a team leader and is a very competitive guy. Because Bevell is in charge of the O the buck stops with him. I don't think he's a bad OC by any stretch, but there are a few areas where he could improve.

Interestingly I had agreed with your earlier posts in the thread until you stepped over the line with the comment Bevell always has best utilized the abilities of each of his players. Lynch would apparently have agreed with that misuse of him at the goal line his flipping of the bird is evidence of that too.

I don't think my post was being flippant however I simply disagreed with you where I indicated. Generally I remain hopeful but was extremely disappointed by the O in GB.

 

[12thbrah]

The Bengals just fired their OC for not scoring a touchdown in the first 2 games. So if the Hawks screw the pooch against the Whiners and can't get into the endzone again perhaps Bevell gets chopped.

Are you saying the Hawks won't score a TD on Sunday?

I'm assuming they will score a bunch of TDs but what if they don't. Yes scary thought regarding our offense. Just comparing our situation to Cincinnati's and the rock bottom scenario it took for them to get rid of their OC.

 

[Siouxhawk]

Prove me wrong. I, on the other hand, can document Doug saying a few weeks ago that he highly respects Bev because he gets the maximum out of each and every player.

Wow, disagree and cite Jimmy Graham as an example of Bevell's incapability to effectively incorporate a talented player into this O.

Doug is a team player that prefers to do his aggitating behind closed doors. I suspect the whole D has qualms about the competence of the O and we are hearing it from players too like Sherman and Thomas.

Wow Jammer, never expected you to be one that got carried away with the flippant pack mentality. But it's your prerogative.


I wholeheartedly disagree that Jimmy is being underused. He set a franchise high for yards and TDs last year for crying out loud. He also was needed to function as a blocker or chipper at times to save Russ's scalp. He had one of the highest snap counts of all the specialists. All this while barely being able to get on the field as he recovered from a severe knee injury.

This year, 7 targets, 2 of which came in the end zone. He had a couple of big drops and was mugged on a terrible no-call in the end zone.

And you are completely mistaken about Doug. Along with Bennett, he is the most outspoken player on the team who doesn't mince words in the slightest. If anything, he would have remained silent when the media asked specifically about Bevell a few weeks ago. Instead, he publically applauded him by saying he gets the maximum out of every player he coaches and he stood up for his innovative route concepts. All in black and white.

And neither Sherm and Earl have criticized Bev as a coach. Sherm's only displeasure was going with a pass on the 1 last year and Earl was just extrapolating on the defense needing to make the game-deciding plays because that's how the team is built and resources allocated.

Graham has been a pale shadow here compared to his performance in NO when he was a key component of the Saints's O and a perpetual All Pro TE. Here unfortunately not so much. Setting a team record last season for TE yardage last season only shows how poorly the TE has been used here in the past and not how well Graham is being utilized. I accept that that last season he was utilized better but not to the level he has shown he can deliver but never has here. Yes he got mugged in the endzone in GB and the non- call on theplay was a part of the perfidy against the team by the referees in that game.

It's the O as a whole that is being criticized by the defensive player comments, it's semantic pettifogging to distinguish Sherman's comments as not being critical of Bevell but only of the play called. We simply disagree on Doug who has been always very careful not to criticize the team yet he too has flipped the bird to Bevell in the past. He was just re-upped to be a team leader and is a very competitive guy. Because Bevell is in charge of the O the buck stops with him. I don't think he's a bad OC by any stretch, but there are a few areas where he could improve.

Interestingly I had agreed with your earlier posts in the thread until you stepped over the line with the comment Bevell always has best utilized the abilities of each of his players. Lynch would apparently have agreed with that misuse of him at the goal line his flipping of the bird is evidence of that too.

I don't think my post was being flippant however I simply disagreed with you where I indicated. Generally I remain hopeful but was extremely disappointed by the O in GB.

If you read closer, you'd say that Doug is the one who was quoted saying Bevell gets the maximum abilities of his players. Doug flipped the bird in a way two good friends messing around with each other would and made it a point to say that. It wasn't the best idea in front of a full stadium and television audience.

I have no interest in comparing Jimmy's production in New Orleans with that in Seattle. Totally different philosophies on offense. Besides, then Doug gets decreased looks and he's one of the best receivers in the game, so people would be bellyaching that he isn't getting enough looks if we forcefed Jimmy. I expect Graham to actually have a pretty good game on Sunday. He seems healthy and he's going to be a big force in our offense this year.

 

[cymatica]

So using Graham to block and catch passes behind the los is utilizing his skillset? He was never known as a blocker or one to make you miss in the open field but we see plays called like that's his strongsuit.

# of targets is no argument for using a player properly btw

 

[Siouxhawk]

So using Graham to block and catch passes behind the los is utilizing his skillset? He was never known as a blocker or one to make you miss in the open field but we see plays called like that's his strongsuit.

# of targets is no argument for using a player properly btw

If he provides a safety valve that picks up positive yards on first or second down, by all means he's being utilized properly. He also had his share of potential chain-moving catches and red zone targets, so don't cherry pick.

 

[Smellyman]

So using Graham to block and catch passes behind the los is utilizing his skillset? He was never known as a blocker or one to make you miss in the open field but we see plays called like that's his strongsuit.

# of targets is no argument for using a player properly btw

If he provides a safety valve that picks up positive yards on first or second down, by all means he's being utilized properly. He also had his share of potential chain-moving catches and red zone targets, so don't cherry pick.

If that is using him properly, trade him. He is no better than Cooper Helfet

 

[mrt144]

Bevell might want to reconsider these max protect schemes. They don't help mitigate the problem and simultaneously limit opportunity.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/13 ... nses-trend

If anything, this emboldens my belief that Bevell and Pete are fighting against structural changes to the league instead of reaping the potential whirlwind. Cable has an idea he's inside a hurricane but he is unfortunately inside of a hurricane and hasn't evolved to live inside it.

 

[chris98251]

So using Graham to block and catch passes behind the los is utilizing his skillset? He was never known as a blocker or one to make you miss in the open field but we see plays called like that's his strongsuit.

# of targets is no argument for using a player properly btw

If he provides a safety valve that picks up positive yards on first or second down, by all means he's being utilized properly. He also had his share of potential chain-moving catches and red zone targets, so don't cherry pick.

So 10 million a year for a safety Valve, that's part of the big plan also I assume. Money well spent nobody else would have done that but Bevell, he surprised us again

 

[cymatica]

Bevell might want to reconsider these max protect schemes. They don't help mitigate the problem and simultaneously limit opportunity.

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/9/13 ... nses-trend

If anything, this emboldens my belief that Bevell and Pete are fighting against structural changes to the league instead of reaping the potential whirlwind. Cable has an idea he's inside a hurricane but he is unfortunately inside of a hurricane and hasn't evolved to live inside it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BaldyNFL...com/nfl/2017/9/13/16299646/bad-offenses-trend

Yeah why get good at plays that can help(rb screens) when you can just max protect all game