Thoughts on PFF's grading of our OL players

[HawkinNY]

It’s still way too early for that assessment. He shouldn’t be playing yet. Year 3 should be his target point for possible game snaps. He’s got the size strength and speed to be a good RT. Just needs more work. He played D2. Going to take time.

 

[bileever]

One player that I have not been real impressed with is Connor Williams. I thought he’d be much better than he is.

Connor Williams was one of the top centers last year, with a PFF grade of 86.5, 20 points above what he is now.

I think they put him in way too soon. He tore his ACL in December, and usually there's a 12-month recovery period, at least, for that injury. It would have been much better to let him recover fully before sticking him in there. Olu should have started the first month or two until Williams was really ready.

 

[toffee]

Connor Williams was one of the top centers last year, with a PFF grade of 86.5, 20 points above what he is now.

I think they put him in way too soon. He tore his ACL in December, and usually there's a 12-month recovery period, at least, for that injury. It would have been much better to let him recover fully before sticking him in there. Olu should have started the first month or two until Williams was really ready.

We may have to assume that Olu wasn't making it in the camp, or they wouldn't contact Connor.

 

[toffee]

Interestingly, Evan Brown is doing quite alright as LG this season, arguably better than Laken. He would have been an improvement over Bradford.

Evan Brown | Arizona Cardinals G | NFL and PFF stats

NFL and PFF player stats for Arizona Cardinals G Evan Brown on Pro Football Focus.

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[toffee]

Jerrell is not the answer, he was not expected to being a RT4.

100% That being said, Jerrell was crowned the savior by some on .net as the savior.

 

[bileever]

We may have to assume that Olu wasn't making it in the camp, or they wouldn't contact Connor.

I agree that Olu might not be the long-term answer, but it might have been better in the long run if we hadn't pushed Williams to start the season before he was completely ready. As it is, it's not like Williams played that much better than Olu in these first games.

 

[Seahawks fan]

The Damien Lewis mention is hilarious he was serviceable at best with the Hawks, I highly doubt we could afford to pay him that $53mill dollor deal the Panthers paid him without losing a good play we have on the roster now.. Leonard Williams being one that comes to mind first..

 

[Shane Falco]

The Damien Lewis mention is hilarious he was serviceable at best with the Hawks, I highly doubt we could afford to pay him that $53mill dollor deal the Panthers paid him without losing a good play we have on the roster now.. Leonard Williams being one that comes to mind first..

I would have taken Damien Lewis over Dre'Mont Jones. And that's not hind-sight talking either.

It's also possible that if they re-upped Lewis before he hit the market that the price tag might have come down some.

 

[Seahawks fan]

I would have taken Damien Lewis over Dre'Mont Jones. And that's not hind-sight talking either.

It's also possible that if they re-upped Lewis before he hit the market that the price tag might have come down some.

But, Jones wouldn't be one of the players you could choose from based on when he signed to the time Lewis became a free agent. So, The best player I can figure we'd lose to resigning Lweis is Willaims... I mean it's nice to pick and choose who is a better fit regardless of time of signing but that's not how it works... so, basically you can choose either Willaims or Lewis, which you picking?

 

[toffee]

Evan Brown is doing pretty good as LG in Arizona, he was certainly better than Olu as center when he was with us. Got to wonder if we kept him as RG and Laken as LG, sign Conner as Center, we might be better off. Evan couldn't be expensive, could he?

 

[Shane Falco]

But, Jones wouldn't be one of the players you could choose from based on when he signed to the time Lewis became a free agent. So, The best player I can figure we'd lose to resigning Lweis is Willaims... I mean it's nice to pick and choose who is a better fit regardless of time of signing but that's not how it works... so, basically you can choose either Willaims or Lewis, which you picking?

Teams don't extend players going into the last year of their deals? Are you saying that's not how it works?

 

[Seahawks fan]

Teams don't extend players going into the last year of their deals? Are you saying that's not how it works?

No, I'm saying you can't pick and choose who you would rather have when their singings and releases or free agency are not even in the same year... He said that his choose wasn't in hind-sight, but it kinda is because Lewis' year in Carolina is better than any of his years with seattle and Jones' Denver years are better than his seattle years... I'd call that hind-sight that was the point I was making..

 

[Seahawks fan]

Teams don't extend players going into the last year of their deals? Are you saying that's not how it works?

And adding to that, the point I was making is it would be a choice between Leonard Williams or Damien Lewis not Jones or Lewis because Jones was already signed and Williams wasn't at the time they decided to let Lewis walk...

 

[Shane Falco]

No, I'm saying you can't pick and choose who you would rather have when their singings and releases or free agency are not even in the same year... He said that his choose wasn't in hind-sight, but it kinda is because Lewis' year in Carolina is better than any of his years with seattle and Jones' Denver years are better than his seattle years... I'd call that hind-sight that was the point I was making..

Dude they signed Dre Jones before the 2023 season. Before the 2023 season Damien Lewis is entering the last year on his deal. If you want to keep him and don't want to bid on him, you extend him. It can be at the same time they signed Jones, it could be later in the season. They do both all the time.

 

[Seahawks fan]

Dude they signed Dre Jones before the 2023 season. Before the 2023 season Damien Lewis is entering the last year on his deal. If you want to keep him and don't want to bid on him, you extend him. It can be at the same time they signed Jones, it could be later in the season. They do both all the time.

And at that time was Lewis worth the $53mill he signed for at that time?... Lewis was ok not great...

 

[Shane Falco]

Geez man. That's what I said. I would have rather spent that $50M they gave Dre Jones for 3 years to Lewis for 4 years. But also if you extend him before he hits the market chances are you're going to save a bit of that.

 

[Seahawks fan]

Dude they signed Dre Jones before the 2023 season. Before the 2023 season Damien Lewis is entering the last year on his deal. If you want to keep him and don't want to bid on him, you extend him. It can be at the same time they signed Jones, it could be later in the season. They do both all the time.

Dude they signed Dre Jones before the 2023 season. Before the 2023 season Damien Lewis is entering the last year on his deal. If you want to keep him and don't want to bid on him, you extend him. It can be at the same time they signed Jones, it could be later in the season. They do both all the time.

Geez man. That's what I said. I would have rather spent that $50M they gave Dre Jones for 3 years to Lewis for 4 years. But also if you extend him before he hits the market chances are you're going to save a bit of that.

But, that's hind-sight... If Jones was ballin out and Lewis was struggling would you be saying this?... I'm not a big fan of the Jones signing either, but to say at the time Lewis was worth that kinda money is crazy because he wasn't that great.. that's my point..

 

[Shane Falco]

Not hindsight. A lot around here didn't think a whole lot about Dre Jones long before they re-signed him.

And as far as the $53M contract, that's about what Ben Powers got. Going rate, you want cheaper then extend them before they hit the market.

 

[Seahawks fan]

Geez man. That's what I said. I would have rather spent that $50M they gave Dre Jones for 3 years to Lewis for 4 years. But also if you extend him before he hits the market chances are you're going to save a bit of that.

And to say "if you extend him before FA you'd get a better deal" is weak... I mean do you know for 100% sure he even wanted to get the extension or did he want to wait to see what FA prices were like?, I betting his agent told him to hit FA and see what's out there..

 

[Seahawks fan]

Not hindsight. A lot around here didn't think a whole lot about Dre Jones long before they re-signed him.

And as far as the $53M contract, that's about what Ben Powers got. Going rate, you want cheaper then extend them before they hit the market.

Neither did I.. I wasn't a fan of the singing..