The last 30-35 yards

[vin.couve12]

It has more to do with vision than throwing lanes in the RZ. Even outside of the RZ in shallow drag and crossing routes.

 

[Anthony!]

It has more to do with vision than throwing lanes in the RZ. Even outside of the RZ in shallow drag and crossing routes.

Right I mean even if he can see them but has no lane the throw and the ball gets knocked down that's okay. LOL again no proof so no issue!

 

[semiahmoo]

I don't give a rats butt how tall he is, I just want him to continue to be one of the best in football, which he is. I doubt he's the only QB who has to adjust to 6'5" lineman in front of him. He makes it work, isn't that what matters?

Except with RZ completions it seems it isn't working as well as it should?

Logical to consider RW's lack of height as a contributing factor to that deficiency...

 

[mrt144]

I don't give a rats butt how tall he is, I just want him to continue to be one of the best in football, which he is. I doubt he's the only QB who has to adjust to 6'5" lineman in front of him. He makes it work, isn't that what matters?

Except with RZ completions it seems it isn't working as well as it should?

Logical to consider RW's lack of height as a contributing factor to that deficiency...

So maybe try show that with supporting examples such as

Comparisons in overall completion % to RZ completion % between QBs based on height. See if there's a trend among shorter QBs to have RZ efficiency dry up that is significantly different than taller QBs.

Video where the play is clearly impacted by RW's height and compare to other QBs with similar stature and see look for similar plays. To be exhaustive dial up all RZ passing plays and determine what % were impacted by height and then from a pool of similarly shorter QBs do the exact same thing.

Theories need to be tested and that's bound by the amount of effort you're willing to put in with the tools we have available. This whole "it's logical to think this" isn't supporting evidence in itself. Sometimes failsafe 'logic' needs an empirical test.

 

[brimsalabim]

Happend first drive tonight with Boykin in the game. Maybe our redzone play calling is a problem?

 

[Siouxhawk]

Or maybe it's the best this franchise has seen.

 

[Anthony!]

I don't give a rats butt how tall he is, I just want him to continue to be one of the best in football, which he is. I doubt he's the only QB who has to adjust to 6'5" lineman in front of him. He makes it work, isn't that what matters?

Except with RZ completions it seems it isn't working as well as it should?

Logical to consider RW's lack of height as a contributing factor to that deficiency...

Still no proof just your agenda

 

[mrt144]

Or maybe it's the best this franchise has seen.

Or at least since you started following it.

 

[semiahmoo]

Or maybe it's the best this franchise has seen.

Or at least since you started following it.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

 

[hgwellz12]

Or maybe it's the best this franchise has seen.

Meaning?
Because I don't want to assume...

 

[semiahmoo]

RW has the single greatest red zone deficiency stats of any QB in the league - and it's not even close.

It's a problem for him and the team. With a more formidable run game gone from the Hawks it's an even greater problem.

Repeat - it's a problem.

 

[semiahmoo]

Who is to blame for the struggles of the Seahawks 2016 red zone offense?

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2017/1/29/14 ... -stats-nfl

For as much as Wilson has been a very accurate passer over the course of his career, he’s anything but that in the red zone.

Russell Wilson red zone statistics (Regular season only)
Year Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Sk Yds Y/A 1D Rate Rush Att Yds Y/A TD 1D
(Total) 157 307 51.1 1290 83 5 29 -195 4.2 113 95 67 303 4.52 10 27
2012 35 60 58.3 261 18 0 3 -25 4.4 23 108.4 13 60 4.62 2 5
2013 27 53 50.9 215 18 1 10 -57 4.1 21 93.2 17 80 4.71 1 7
2014 30 59 50.8 252 15 1 5 -25 4.3 20 94.8 20 85 4.25 5 9
2015 33 60 55 297 17 2 6 -53 5 26 94.2 11 67 6.09 1 5
2016 32 75 42.7 265 15 1 5 -35 3.5 23 86.4 6 11 1.83 1 1
I believe that the best way to measure Wilson’s numbers is to compare them with the QBs of the top three red zone offenses in each year since Wilson entered the league. In this table, the QBs are ranked according to where their respective teams placed in RZ %, as opposed to their QB rating.

QB statistics for top three red zone offenses (2012-2016, regular season only)
Player Year Cmp Att Cmp% Yds TD Int Sk Yds Y/A 1D Rate Rush Att Yds Y/A TD 1D
Tom Brady 2012 52 86 60.5 398 24 1 4 -20 4.6 35 106.5 7 14 2 4 6
Drew Brees 2012 66 102 64.7 520 34 0 2 -19 5.1 46 116.8 1 1 1 1 1
Aaron Rodgers 2012 47 75 62.7 350 26 0 6 -38 4.7 34 113.3 12 13 1.08 1 3
Peyton Manning 2013 83 117 70.9 581 40 0 3 -21 5 56 121.5 5 -8 -1.6 1 1
Andy Dalton 2013 43 70 61.4 329 23 3 4 -16 4.7 30 94.6 6 13 2.17 2 3
Tony Romo 2013 40 69 58 278 22 1 4 -44 4 29 100.7 4 -2 -0.5 0 0
Derek Carr 2014 32 53 60.4 185 18 1 1 -4 3.5 24 98.7 2 -7 -3.5 0 1
Tony Romo 2014 33 53 62.3 271 19 2 3 -22 5.1 25 99.1 0 0 0 0 0
Jay Cutler 2014 40 79 50.6 302 22 3 0 0 3.8 26 84 3 20 6.67 2 2
Matthew Stafford 2015 52 76 68.4 359 27 0 3 -14 4.7 37 118.4 6 3 0.5 1 2
Cam Newton 2015 45 73 61.6 361 25 0 5 -43 4.9 34 113.6 30 73 2.43 10 14
Ryan Fitzpatrick 2015 42 77 54.5 339 24 1 1 0 4.4 30 100.1 9 48 5.33 2 6
Marcus Mariota 2016 36 59 61 285 19 0 0 0 4.8 28 112.6 9 62 6.89 2 4
Colin Kaepernick 2016 19 32 59.4 185 13 0 1 -8 5.8 14 115.2 7 32 4.57 2 3
Dak Prescott 2016 33 55 60 282 16 1 4 -32 5.1 25 105.5 10 37 3.7 6 6
The average completion percentage for the quarterbacks listed here is about 61.6%, which means Wilson is 10.5% below that figure. Four of the five QBs with the worst completion percentage in this table — 2014 Cutler, 2013 Romo, 2016 Prescott, and 2016 Kaepernick — had rushing offenses ranked at least 11th in DVOA. Ryan Fitzpatrick and the 2015 New York Jets ranked 21st in rushing, but Chris Ivory scored six of his ten rushing touchdowns in the red zone.

What happens when you compare QB completion percentage from inside the red zone to outside of it? This table shows the steep drop for Wilson once Seattle reaches the 20-yard line.

Red Zone vs. Non-Red Zone (2012-2016, regular season only)
Name Non Red Zone % Red Zone % Difference
Russell Wilson 66.8 51.1 15.7
Jay Cutler 64.8 51.5 13.3
Kirk Cousins 67.7 54.5 13.2
Eli Manning 63.1 50.6 12.5
Tony Romo 67.9 55.6 12.3
Ben Roethlisberger 67.2 55.2 12
Cam Newton 59.3 48.1 11.2
Joe Flacco 63.3 52.2 11.1
Derek Carr 62.1 51.5 10.6
Carson Palmer 64.1 53.6 10.5
Andy Dalton 64.8 55.7 9.1
Sam Bradford 65.8 57.1 8.7
Aaron Rodgers 66.4 58 8.4
Colin Kaepernick 60.8 52.5 8.3
Phillip Rivers 66.5 58.7 7.8
Alex Smith 66.1 58.6 7.5
Blake Bortles 59.7 52.2 7.5
Matthew Stafford 63 55.8 7.2
Matt Ryan 68.6 61.6 7
Ryan Fitzpatrick 61.1 54.4 6.7
Ryan Tannehill 63.5 57.3 6.2
Tom Brady 64.3 59.6 4.7
Drew Brees 68.2 65.5 2.7
Andrew Luck 59.5 57 2.5
Peyton Manning 66.8 64.9 1.9
Note: To qualify for this list, I included all quarterbacks who had thrown at least 200 red zone passes since 2012, so Derek Carr (200 passes) meets the minimum standard. Robert Griffin III (149 passes) would not meet the standard, and obviously neither would QBs like Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, or Dak Prescott.


Wilson has the largest discrepancy of any qualified QB in the NFL, and it’s actually not particularly close. Cam Newton is the only sub-50% red zone passer, but he’s also not very accurate outside the red zone, so he’s outside the top-five in percentage differential.

 

[semiahmoo]

It doesn't all lay at RW's feet. Certainly the OC and the line share some of the blame, but RW's red zone issues have been lingering for some time.

He just doesn't put the nail in the proverbial coffin against opposing defenses enough to make the Hawks' offense feared in the league. And when our own defense slips, it seems we are fully exposed as a paper tiger team.

Perhaps this season will be different and he turns a red zone corner.

I hope so. He's a gifted athlete for sure.

We shall see.

 

[Anthony!]

RW has the single greatest red zone deficiency stats of any QB in the league - and it's not even close.

It's a problem for him and the team. With a more formidable run game gone from the Hawks it's an even greater problem.

Repeat - it's a problem.

So wheres the stat? sounds more like more made up crap from your agenda, in fact there is no " red zone deficiency stat" so you just made it up what a surprise. LOL Of course you could be trying to be cute and really mean efficiency but that would make you wrong as his efficiency in the RZ is far from the worst. Hmm Yeah you made it up whats new LOL

 

[Anthony!]

It doesn't all lay at RW's feet. Certainly the OC and the line share some of the blame, but RW's red zone issues have been lingering for some time.

He just doesn't put the nail in the proverbial coffin against opposing defenses enough to make the Hawks' offense feared in the league. And when our own defense slips, it seems we are fully exposed as a paper tiger team.

Perhaps this season will be different and he turns a red zone corner.

I hope so. He's a gifted athlete for sure.

We shall see.

ukeface:

 

[Siouxhawk]

Or maybe it's the best this franchise has seen.

Or at least since you started following it.

Which has turned into the best era this franchise has ever seen. Don't get your point.

 

[semiahmoo]

RW has the single greatest red zone deficiency stats of any QB in the league - and it's not even close.

It's a problem for him and the team. With a more formidable run game gone from the Hawks it's an even greater problem.

Repeat - it's a problem.

So wheres the stat? sounds more like more made up crap from your agenda, in fact there is no " red zone deficiency stat" so you just made it up what a surprise. LOL Of course you could be trying to be cute and really mean efficiency but that would make you wrong as his efficiency in the RZ is far from the worst. Hmm Yeah you made it up whats new LOL

What happens when you compare QB completion percentage from inside the red zone to outside of it? This table shows the steep drop for Wilson once Seattle reaches the 20-yard line.

Red Zone vs. Non-Red Zone (2012-2016, regular season only)
Name Non Red Zone % Red Zone % Difference
Russell Wilson 66.8 51.1 15.7
Jay Cutler 64.8 51.5 13.3
Kirk Cousins 67.7 54.5 13.2
Eli Manning 63.1 50.6 12.5
Tony Romo 67.9 55.6 12.3
Ben Roethlisberger 67.2 55.2 12
Cam Newton 59.3 48.1 11.2
Joe Flacco 63.3 52.2 11.1
Derek Carr 62.1 51.5 10.6
Carson Palmer 64.1 53.6 10.5
Andy Dalton 64.8 55.7 9.1
Sam Bradford 65.8 57.1 8.7
Aaron Rodgers 66.4 58 8.4
Colin Kaepernick 60.8 52.5 8.3
Phillip Rivers 66.5 58.7 7.8
Alex Smith 66.1 58.6 7.5
Blake Bortles 59.7 52.2 7.5
Matthew Stafford 63 55.8 7.2
Matt Ryan 68.6 61.6 7
Ryan Fitzpatrick 61.1 54.4 6.7
Ryan Tannehill 63.5 57.3 6.2
Tom Brady 64.3 59.6 4.7
Drew Brees 68.2 65.5 2.7
Andrew Luck 59.5 57 2.5
Peyton Manning 66.8 64.9 1.9
Note: To qualify for this list, I included all quarterbacks who had thrown at least 200 red zone passes since 2012, so Derek Carr (200 passes) meets the minimum standard. Robert Griffin III (149 passes) would not meet the standard, and obviously neither would QBs like Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, or Dak Prescott.


Wilson has the largest discrepancy of any qualified QB in the NFL, and it’s actually not particularly close.

 

[hgwellz12]

Damn.

 

[hawk45]

Targeting Kearse can't be helping this much.
I expect that better health and a line that doesn't allow instant pressure and can also threaten to convert short yardage runs will improve matters.
I do feel like Russ, for how good he is at deep throws allowing a WR to high point balls, hasn't quite mastered getting his jump balls to Jimmy high enough.
At any rate, I file this under something to keep an eye on that is likely to improve this year IMO.

 

[mrt144]

RW has the single greatest red zone deficiency stats of any QB in the league - and it's not even close.

It's a problem for him and the team. With a more formidable run game gone from the Hawks it's an even greater problem.

Repeat - it's a problem.

So wheres the stat? sounds more like more made up crap from your agenda, in fact there is no " red zone deficiency stat" so you just made it up what a surprise. LOL Of course you could be trying to be cute and really mean efficiency but that would make you wrong as his efficiency in the RZ is far from the worst. Hmm Yeah you made it up whats new LOL

What happens when you compare QB completion percentage from inside the red zone to outside of it? This table shows the steep drop for Wilson once Seattle reaches the 20-yard line.

Red Zone vs. Non-Red Zone (2012-2016, regular season only)
Name Non Red Zone % Red Zone % Difference
Russell Wilson 66.8 51.1 15.7
Jay Cutler 64.8 51.5 13.3
Kirk Cousins 67.7 54.5 13.2
Eli Manning 63.1 50.6 12.5
Tony Romo 67.9 55.6 12.3
Ben Roethlisberger 67.2 55.2 12
Cam Newton 59.3 48.1 11.2
Joe Flacco 63.3 52.2 11.1
Derek Carr 62.1 51.5 10.6
Carson Palmer 64.1 53.6 10.5
Andy Dalton 64.8 55.7 9.1
Sam Bradford 65.8 57.1 8.7
Aaron Rodgers 66.4 58 8.4
Colin Kaepernick 60.8 52.5 8.3
Phillip Rivers 66.5 58.7 7.8
Alex Smith 66.1 58.6 7.5
Blake Bortles 59.7 52.2 7.5
Matthew Stafford 63 55.8 7.2
Matt Ryan 68.6 61.6 7
Ryan Fitzpatrick 61.1 54.4 6.7
Ryan Tannehill 63.5 57.3 6.2
Tom Brady 64.3 59.6 4.7
Drew Brees 68.2 65.5 2.7
Andrew Luck 59.5 57 2.5
Peyton Manning 66.8 64.9 1.9
Note: To qualify for this list, I included all quarterbacks who had thrown at least 200 red zone passes since 2012, so Derek Carr (200 passes) meets the minimum standard. Robert Griffin III (149 passes) would not meet the standard, and obviously neither would QBs like Jameis Winston, Marcus Mariota, or Dak Prescott.


Wilson has the largest discrepancy of any qualified QB in the NFL, and it’s actually not particularly close.

Awesome, thanks for dropping the infos.