The last 30-35 yards

[mrt144]

I disagree if height was a big as issue as Huey and Duey are making it then tall QBs would be better, and short QBs would struggle but short QBs are good and bad as are big Qbs. IN other words height appears to not be a deliminator in the RZ since there are big and small QBs who are good and struggle. Now if most Big QBs were great and most little QBs were bad then maybe but since that is not the case the Height issue is a non issue. OR another way to think of it is, there is no evidence to support it is an issue, and some to say it is not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

With that said lets be clear - I am NC State alumni, I have watched RW since before most people on this board - heck I watched them "all" Tory Holt, Philip Rivers, Koren Robinson, Mario Williams and many many more. I am a big fan of RW and I think he can be very very good in the redzone with the right playcalling opening up option to run, pass or RB scoring. I think the team is playing way to predictable and conservative in the redzone and that is the main reason for why we are not scoring enough.

I still think being short in the redzone is a negative - that is being called not mutually exclusive.........

The thing that bugs me about any height related concerns at this point though is that Bevell has RW for 5 years and hasn't figured it out fully. It's not like Bevell is having RW foisted on him out of the blue and he has to recursively edit the playbook. He can design and call shit with all the variables of his players known and yet we're still borderline seeing the Hawks slam their dick in the door in the RZ.

I may be way harsh on Bevell and take generous liberties in chiding him, but this is one that I can't back down on - if you have a player in your stead for that amount of time, the limiting factors of their play should be recognized and compensated for, especially if it is super situational football where they are falling short of their otherwise stellar performance.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's a results business, and he gets results. People act like he's standing one foot behind these O Lineman. He's almost always in the Shot Gun for pass plays, so by the time he throws it, he is quite a distance back from the Lineman. This isn't his first rodeo.

 

[sdog1981]

I may be way harsh on Bevell and take generous liberties in chiding him, but this is one that I can't back down on - if you have a player in your stead for that amount of time, the limiting factors of their play should be recognized and compensated for, especially if it is super situational football where they are falling short of their otherwise stellar performance.

That is kind of the point if you have the same head coach/OC/QB together for this many seasons then the offense should look like a well-oiled machine.

 

[vin.couve12]

But it's got electrolytes....

You seriously have education issues if you're looking for proof of geometry. Go back to school instead of the church of player worship.

Now, as stated, this merely makes it more difficult. To RW's glorious and majestic credit, he is still as good or better in the RZ as taller QBs. This also doesn't mean that taller QBs have the same mental capacity to process information faster in smaller confines like the RZ or have the experience in a given offense to know where the receivers should be simply by repetition.

Again, no stats from any QB, Brees or otherwise, WIll EVER OVERRIDE MATH AND THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.

It does NOT have what plants gotdamn crave.

 

[Seymour]

But it's got electrolytes....

You seriously have education issues if you're looking for proof of geometry. Go back to school instead of the church of player worship.

Now, as stated, this merely makes it more difficult. To RW's glorious and majestic credit, he is still as good or better in the RZ as taller QBs. This also doesn't mean that taller QBs have the same mental capacity to process information faster in smaller confines like the RZ or have the experience in a given offense to know where the receivers should be simply by repetition.

Again, no stats from any QB, Brees or otherwise, WIll EVER OVERRIDE MATH AND THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.

It does NOT have what plants gotdamn crave.

Who are you even posting to here? Nobody I saw said it was a zero issue / challenge. Most that take that side are saying any overall limitation in the red zone is somewhere between very small and negligible. :34853_doh:

 

[Anthony!]

I disagree if height was a big as issue as Huey and Duey are making it then tall QBs would be better, and short QBs would struggle but short QBs are good and bad as are big Qbs. IN other words height appears to not be a deliminator in the RZ since there are big and small QBs who are good and struggle. Now if most Big QBs were great and most little QBs were bad then maybe but since that is not the case the Height issue is a non issue. OR another way to think of it is, there is no evidence to support it is an issue, and some to say it is not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

With that said lets be clear - I am NC State alumni, I have watched RW since before most people on this board - heck I watched them "all" Tory Holt, Philip Rivers, Koren Robinson, Mario Williams and many many more. I am a big fan of RW and I think he can be very very good in the redzone with the right playcalling opening up option to run, pass or RB scoring. I think the team is playing way to predictable and conservative in the redzone and that is the main reason for why we are not scoring enough.

I still think being short in the redzone is a negative - that is being called not mutually exclusive.........

Great still no fact to support the claim but thanks

 

[Anthony!]

But it's got electrolytes....

You seriously have education issues if you're looking for proof of geometry. Go back to school instead of the church of player worship.

Now, as stated, this merely makes it more difficult. To RW's glorious and majestic credit, he is still as good or better in the RZ as taller QBs. This also doesn't mean that taller QBs have the same mental capacity to process information faster in smaller confines like the RZ or have the experience in a given offense to know where the receivers should be simply by repetition.

Again, no stats from any QB, Brees or otherwise, WIll EVER OVERRIDE MATH AND THE LAWS OF PHYSICS.

It does NOT have what plants gotdamn crave.

Who are you even posting to here? Nobody I saw said it was a zero issue / challenge. Most that take that side are saying any overall limitation in the red zone is somewhere between very small and negligible. :34853_doh:

Exactly!!!

 

[SoulfishHawk]

The Wilson worship may be annoying, and that's fine, I own up to it. However, the blatant refusal to give the guy credit as a great QB is beyond corny. Who gives a rats butt how tall he is? Geezus, enough already.
I can just hear it, right after he hoists up ANOTHER Lombardi. "But he only won because he has a good D"
"But he's still short" but...but..but...but... blah blah blah blah blah :roll:
Maybe his height COULD be a factor on a play or two. But it clearly hasn't kept him from winning and/or playing well on the field. He adjusts, mind.....blown.

 

[Anthony!]

The Wilson worship may be annoying, and that's fine, I own up to it. However, the blatant refusal to give the guy credit as a great QB is beyond corny. Who gives a rats butt how tall he is? Geezus, enough already.
I can just hear it, right after he hoists up ANOTHER Lombardi. "But he only won because he has a good D"
"But he's still short" but...but..but...but... blah blah blah blah blah :roll:
Maybe his height COULD be a factor on a play or two. But it clearly hasn't kept him from winning and/or playing well on the field. He adjusts, mind.....blown.

Agreed not to mention if we say height is an issue that issue has some good points too, that taller QBs dont get. Again that is if we agree Height is an issue which we dont

 

[hawkfan68]

I disagree if height was a big as issue as Huey and Duey are making it then tall QBs would be better, and short QBs would struggle but short QBs are good and bad as are big Qbs. IN other words height appears to not be a deliminator in the RZ since there are big and small QBs who are good and struggle. Now if most Big QBs were great and most little QBs were bad then maybe but since that is not the case the Height issue is a non issue. OR another way to think of it is, there is no evidence to support it is an issue, and some to say it is not

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlati ... _causation

With that said lets be clear - I am NC State alumni, I have watched RW since before most people on this board - heck I watched them "all" Tory Holt, Philip Rivers, Koren Robinson, Mario Williams and many many more. I am a big fan of RW and I think he can be very very good in the redzone with the right playcalling opening up option to run, pass or RB scoring. I think the team is playing way to predictable and conservative in the redzone and that is the main reason for why we are not scoring enough.

I still think being short in the redzone is a negative - that is being called not mutually exclusive.........

The thing that bugs me about any height related concerns at this point though is that Bevell has RW for 5 years and hasn't figured it out fully. It's not like Bevell is having RW foisted on him out of the blue and he has to recursively edit the playbook. He can design and call shit with all the variables of his players known and yet we're still borderline seeing the Hawks slam their dick in the door in the RZ.

I may be way harsh on Bevell and take generous liberties in chiding him, but this is one that I can't back down on - if you have a player in your stead for that amount of time, the limiting factors of their play should be recognized and compensated for, especially if it is super situational football where they are falling short of their otherwise stellar performance.

Great point. I agree with this. Why have adjustments not been made to be more effective in the redzone? It comes down to play-calling and execution of the plays. If the players are not executing the plays well, shouldn't you change or put in plays that they are executing better? It's ridiculous how many times the Seahawks have a 1st and goal within 5 yd line and come away with only 3 points. It's not against stellar defenses either. That's unacceptable in my mind. It's definitely not a characteristic of a "good redzone offense". Good redzone offenses score TDs majority of the time. Last season the Seahawks scored TDs in the redzone about 47% of the time they were in the redzone. That's terrible and needs immediate improvement. It's been consistent problem with this personnel and coaching staff over the past few years.

 

[Seymour]

Great point. I agree with this. Why has adjustments not been made to be more effective in the redzone? It comes down to play-calling and execution of the plays. If the players are not executing the plays well, shouldn't you change or put in plays that they are executing better? It's ridiculous how many times the Seahawks have a 1st and goal within 5 yd line and come away with only 3 points. It's not against stellar defenses either. That's unacceptable in my mind. It's definitely not a characteristic of a "good redzone offense". Good redzone offenses score TDs majority of the time. The Seahawks score TDs in the redzone 47% of the time they were in the redzone. That's terrible and needs immediate improvement. It's been consistent problem with this personnel and coaching staff over the past few years.

I do agree with this, but in looking up some past stats I came across an interesting fact. Guess who was #2 in redzone TD % for 2016??

2-14 49ers at 68% (#1 was 9-7 Titans)

Ya still gotta get there to score.

47% is bad, but still #25 in the league. In 2015 we were 55%. That was good enough for #16 in the league and 1 in front of the Packers. So I say mostly just last season.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

The Wilson worship may be annoying, and that's fine, I own up to it. However, the blatant refusal to give the guy credit as a great QB is beyond corny. Who gives a rats butt how tall he is? Geezus, enough already.
I can just hear it, right after he hoists up ANOTHER Lombardi. "But he only won because he has a good D"
"But he's still short" but...but..but...but... blah blah blah blah blah :roll:
Maybe his height COULD be a factor on a play or two. But it clearly hasn't kept him from winning and/or playing well on the field. He adjusts, mind.....blown.

What he does is puts touch on the ball so it floats into the receivers location and then the receiver usually has minor adjustments to grab onto the pigskin and cradle that ball. Other quarterbacks can slam the ball where they want it and the receiver has the responsibility to snag it in the air going 200mph. :sarcasm_on: But that is ok, it is all on the receiver at that point in time. :sarcasm_off: Jerry Rice was a fantastic receiver in the fact that he only had to be in the area within 3 yards to catch a ball. He had talent. Largent the same way. Have a great day.

 

[vin.couve12]

The Wilson worship may be annoying, and that's fine, I own up to it. However, the blatant refusal to give the guy credit as a great QB is beyond corny. Who gives a rats butt how tall he is? Geezus, enough already.
I can just hear it, right after he hoists up ANOTHER Lombardi. "But he only won because he has a good D"
"But he's still short" but...but..but...but... blah blah blah blah blah :roll:
Maybe his height COULD be a factor on a play or two. But it clearly hasn't kept him from winning and/or playing well on the field. He adjusts, mind.....blown.

I've already given said credit multiple times, but you refuse to see that because of one small fact that detracts from his Olympian supreme beingness. It's sick, dude.

 

[hawkfan68]

Great point. I agree with this. Why has adjustments not been made to be more effective in the redzone? It comes down to play-calling and execution of the plays. If the players are not executing the plays well, shouldn't you change or put in plays that they are executing better? It's ridiculous how many times the Seahawks have a 1st and goal within 5 yd line and come away with only 3 points. It's not against stellar defenses either. That's unacceptable in my mind. It's definitely not a characteristic of a "good redzone offense". Good redzone offenses score TDs majority of the time. The Seahawks score TDs in the redzone 47% of the time they were in the redzone. That's terrible and needs immediate improvement. It's been consistent problem with this personnel and coaching staff over the past few years.

I do agree with this, but in looking up some past stats I came across an interesting fact. Guess who was #2 in redzone TD % for 2016??

2-14 49ers at 68% (#1 was 9-7 Titans)

Ya still gotta get there to score.

47% is bad, but still #25 in the league. In 2015 we were 55%. That was good enough for #16 in the league and 1 in front of the Packers. So I say mostly just last season.

Absolutely. Good point. However, last season the Seahawks were in the top 10 (#8) in the NFL for redzone attempts. They were getting there but not efficient in capitalizing on scoring TDs. Going from #8 in redzone attempts to #25 in redzone scoring % is pretty bad. Last season that was the difference in being able to host a division or conference championship game. Had they been little more consistent, they could have done that.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's sick? Because I see him as a damn good QB. His height doesn't take away from him being one of the best. :roll:

So, if he was 6'1", and put up the exact same numbers, wins etc. he'd all the sudden be ok to you?

 

[vin.couve12]

It's sick? Because I see him as a damn good QB. His height doesn't take away from him being one of the best. :roll:

So, if he was 6'1", and put up the exact same number, he's all the sudden be ok to you?

You gotta be frying balls or something. I already said he's a top 5ish QB.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

It's all good, not worth talking about anymore. Go Hawks

 

[Anthony!]

The Wilson worship may be annoying, and that's fine, I own up to it. However, the blatant refusal to give the guy credit as a great QB is beyond corny. Who gives a rats butt how tall he is? Geezus, enough already.
I can just hear it, right after he hoists up ANOTHER Lombardi. "But he only won because he has a good D"
"But he's still short" but...but..but...but... blah blah blah blah blah :roll:
Maybe his height COULD be a factor on a play or two. But it clearly hasn't kept him from winning and/or playing well on the field. He adjusts, mind.....blown.

I've already given said credit multiple times, but you refuse to see that because of one small fact that detracts from his Olympian supreme beingness. It's sick, dude.

ukeface:

 

[Anthony!]

Great point. I agree with this. Why has adjustments not been made to be more effective in the redzone? It comes down to play-calling and execution of the plays. If the players are not executing the plays well, shouldn't you change or put in plays that they are executing better? It's ridiculous how many times the Seahawks have a 1st and goal within 5 yd line and come away with only 3 points. It's not against stellar defenses either. That's unacceptable in my mind. It's definitely not a characteristic of a "good redzone offense". Good redzone offenses score TDs majority of the time. The Seahawks score TDs in the redzone 47% of the time they were in the redzone. That's terrible and needs immediate improvement. It's been consistent problem with this personnel and coaching staff over the past few years.

I do agree with this, but in looking up some past stats I came across an interesting fact. Guess who was #2 in redzone TD % for 2016??

2-14 49ers at 68% (#1 was 9-7 Titans)

Ya still gotta get there to score.

47% is bad, but still #25 in the league. In 2015 we were 55%. That was good enough for #16 in the league and 1 in front of the Packers. So I say mostly just last season.

Absolutely. Good point. However, last season the Seahawks were in the top 10 (#8) in the NFL for redzone attempts. They were getting there but not efficient in capitalizing on scoring TDs. Going from #8 in redzone attempts to #25 in redzone scoring % is pretty bad. Last season that was the difference in being able to host a division or conference championship game. Had they been little more consistent, they could have done that.

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game

Agreed but how much of that was Rw being injured and not as big a threat as he could be and also having little to no run game

 

[Anthony!]

It's sick? Because I see him as a damn good QB. His height doesn't take away from him being one of the best. :roll:

So, if he was 6'1", and put up the exact same number, he's all the sudden be ok to you?

You gotta be frying balls or something. I already said he's a top 5ish QB.

Yes sort of, with a lot of the typical backhanded jabs that you and your alter ego do.