The last 30-35 yards

[Anthony!]

I think RW is pretty good at throwing fades, actually.

But at least a little bit of the RZ thing is partially due to height. People talk about his release point and all that, but it doesn't really mean as much as you might think. It has to do with vision in a more confined area and it's just the truth.

And as usual, I'll throw out the disclaimer that it doesn't mean he isn't a great QB and the fact that I also think he'll have his best year yet, just so the true zealot worshipers don't have an aneurysm.

River 6-5 42 inside the 20, Height is not a factor or Rivers would be higher as would several other big Qbs, scheme and oline is the big facts as I have shown. PS let's not feed the trolls

I'm not feeding any trolls. They eat essentially anything so you don't have to worry about their diet. Especially the undead ones that just walked right over the wall rubble.

I'm sorry, but geometry is real though. Nothing can change that.

yeah except as I stated with facts there are 6-2 Qbs and bigger having issues in the RZ(oh and top notch QBs too) funny part is they too have less than good olines HMM as I also pointed out

 

[Anthony!]

Seriously? We are inexcusably bad in the redzone and have no excuse. Tennessee scored 72% of the time with touchdowns. Tennessee bro, they're not all that. Their issue is they can't pass the ball.

Personally? I think we need to fix our run defense.

Not sure about that, Mariota has thrown 33 TDs to 0 INTs in the red zone thus far in his career. For what it's worth, Winston is 34/1 ... with that 1 coming at the hands of our #31 hehe.

At least this preseason, Wilson's been throwing fades too low. Kasen nabbed one for the TD, but it hit him in the stomach. Watch Rodgers in the redzone. Shoot, watch what he did to us on one of Jordy's TDs. I know the OL is much better, but I fully believe Russ is capable of being as lethal if he can extend the plays and rifle it in to an open guy. You really don't see him even attempt it, which makes me think it's a coaching thing.

Decent example @ 3:43 (not for the faint of heart, sorry to bring up this game)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DGCKMj7d1Y

Also, against the Giants @ 2:13
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rD8XRjYBwrA

....when the pass pro and pocket manipulation are too strong....

Tenn had one of the better olines in the league last year as did almsot all the good RZ teams HMM

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Complaining about how Wilson played after that? Hilarious. It never ends.

 

[mikeak]

yeah except as I stated with facts there are 6-2 Qbs and bigger having issues in the RZ(oh and top notch QBs too) funny part is they too have less than good olines HMM as I also pointed out

Without saying that one of you is right or wrong, but that some taller QBs have redzone problem doesn't prove anything about why RW have an issue in the redzone.

They have different skillset, different coordinators, different receivers and well everything is different.

 

[vin.couve12]

I think RW is pretty good at throwing fades, actually.

But at least a little bit of the RZ thing is partially due to height. People talk about his release point and all that, but it doesn't really mean as much as you might think. It has to do with vision in a more confined area and it's just the truth.

And as usual, I'll throw out the disclaimer that it doesn't mean he isn't a great QB and the fact that I also think he'll have his best year yet, just so the true zealot worshipers don't have an aneurysm.

River 6-5 42 inside the 20, Height is not a factor or Rivers would be higher as would several other big Qbs, scheme and oline is the big facts as I have shown. PS let's not feed the trolls

I'm not feeding any trolls. They eat essentially anything so you don't have to worry about their diet. Especially the undead ones that just walked right over the wall rubble.

I'm sorry, but geometry is real though. Nothing can change that.

yeah except as I stated with facts there are 6-2 Qbs and bigger having issues in the RZ(oh and top notch QBs too) funny part is they too have less than good olines HMM as I also pointed out

Statistics do not override physics. RW can absolutely perform as well as 6'2 QBs in the RZ and that has no bearing what so ever as to whether or not it's a little bit more difficult for him.

 

[mrt144]

It's obviously nice to score more touchdowns as that's the object of the game, but when are some of you going to get it through your heads that coming away with a field goal helps the Hawks more than any team in the league. Why? Because by and large, we give up the fewest points in the league on defense. I could see that happening again this year. So those 3 points at a time are more valuable to us than any team in the league as we maximize their production.

It also diminishes our chances of taking risks, making us less likely to throw a pass in late down and short distance situations when we are in field goal range. That's why kickers need to be productive for us.

So it's not like we're eschewing touchdowns because we prefer field goals. It's just that with our defense being as good as it is, we protect our points better. It's the philosophy Pete has held firmly his length of time with the Hawks. I'm not going to argue with it because it works.

So think before you get all freaked out about red zone production and rankings, where field goals bring that number down. Maybe a better indicator is the number of plays run or possessions in the red zone. There's a formula there somewhere that Pete must rely on that maybe you statniks can pinpoint. My only concern is our won-lost record.

When will you get it through your head that there is room for improvement from Bevell and RW in the redzone?

 

[hawk45]

An OL that is a tiny bit better and red zone woes vanish.
Not about big targets on this team at least, which is why I'd give Graham to pump up OL if I had to. It's about run/pass threat and a few ticks when an obvious spread formation is out there.

 

[Anthony!]

yeah except as I stated with facts there are 6-2 Qbs and bigger having issues in the RZ(oh and top notch QBs too) funny part is they too have less than good olines HMM as I also pointed out

Without saying that one of you is right or wrong, but that some taller QBs have redzone problem doesn't prove anything about why RW have an issue in the redzone.

They have different skillset, different coordinators, different receivers and well everything is different.

NO, but since someone was making the point about how his height may or may not be an issue the fact taller QBs also have issues does make the point that it is not a Height issue. Also the fact the all the Qbs who are good in the RZ have good oline makes the point the oline is the bigger issue. We have been top 5 in RZ penalties every year since 2012. That si the point.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

When Russ is hoisting ANOTHER Lombardi, people will STILL be complaining about him somehow, someway.
After all this time, people still talking about his height, let alone making excuses for WHY he is so successful etc. is laughable.

 

[Seymour]

I think RW is pretty good at throwing fades, actually.

But at least a little bit of the RZ thing is partially due to height. People talk about his release point and all that, but it doesn't really mean as much as you might think. It has to do with vision in a more confined area and it's just the truth.

And as usual, I'll throw out the disclaimer that it doesn't mean he isn't a great QB and the fact that I also think he'll have his best year yet, just so the true zealot worshipers don't have an aneurysm.

River 6-5 42 inside the 20, Height is not a factor or Rivers would be higher as would several other big Qbs, scheme and oline is the big facts as I have shown. PS let's not feed the trolls

I'm not feeding any trolls. They eat essentially anything so you don't have to worry about their diet. Especially the undead ones that just walked right over the wall rubble.

I'm sorry, but geometry is real though. Nothing can change that.

Go look at Drew Brees's red zone numbers and tell me again this is really an issue. They are within 1" of each other.

Geometry < Bevell

 

[mrt144]

I think RW is pretty good at throwing fades, actually.

But at least a little bit of the RZ thing is partially due to height. People talk about his release point and all that, but it doesn't really mean as much as you might think. It has to do with vision in a more confined area and it's just the truth.

And as usual, I'll throw out the disclaimer that it doesn't mean he isn't a great QB and the fact that I also think he'll have his best year yet, just so the true zealot worshipers don't have an aneurysm.

River 6-5 42 inside the 20, Height is not a factor or Rivers would be higher as would several other big Qbs, scheme and oline is the big facts as I have shown. PS let's not feed the trolls

I'm not feeding any trolls. They eat essentially anything so you don't have to worry about their diet. Especially the undead ones that just walked right over the wall rubble.

I'm sorry, but geometry is real though. Nothing can change that.

Go look at Drew Brees's red zone numbers and tell me again this is really an issue. They are within 1" of each other.

Geometry < Bevell

Also, it's not like Bevell is having RW foisted on him randomly throughout the season. It's his guy! HIS GUY HE CAN ASK ANYTHING FROM! Lock them in a room until they figure it out and even then make Bevell stay a spell longer just so he can stew on it.

 

[semiahmoo]

It's obviously nice to score more touchdowns as that's the object of the game, but when are some of you going to get it through your heads that coming away with a field goal helps the Hawks more than any team in the league. Why? Because by and large, we give up the fewest points in the league on defense. I could see that happening again this year. So those 3 points at a time are more valuable to us than any team in the league as we maximize their production.

It also diminishes our chances of taking risks, making us less likely to throw a pass in late down and short distance situations when we are in field goal range. That's why kickers need to be productive for us.

So it's not like we're eschewing touchdowns because we prefer field goals. It's just that with our defense being as good as it is, we protect our points better. It's the philosophy Pete has held firmly his length of time with the Hawks. I'm not going to argue with it because it works.

So think before you get all freaked out about red zone production and rankings, where field goals bring that number down. Maybe a better indicator is the number of plays run or possessions in the red zone. There's a formula there somewhere that Pete must rely on that maybe you statniks can pinpoint. My only concern is our won-lost record.

When will you get it through your head that there is room for improvement from Bevell and RW in the redzone?

This is true - and the entire league knows it.

 

[semiahmoo]

I think RW is pretty good at throwing fades, actually.

But at least a little bit of the RZ thing is partially due to height. People talk about his release point and all that, but it doesn't really mean as much as you might think. It has to do with vision in a more confined area and it's just the truth.

And as usual, I'll throw out the disclaimer that it doesn't mean he isn't a great QB and the fact that I also think he'll have his best year yet, just so the true zealot worshipers don't have an aneurysm.

River 6-5 42 inside the 20, Height is not a factor or Rivers would be higher as would several other big Qbs, scheme and oline is the big facts as I have shown. PS let's not feed the trolls

I'm not feeding any trolls. They eat essentially anything so you don't have to worry about their diet. Especially the undead ones that just walked right over the wall rubble.

I'm sorry, but geometry is real though. Nothing can change that.

Go look at Drew Brees's red zone numbers and tell me again this is really an issue. They are within 1" of each other.

Geometry < Bevell

Actually they are not. Drew is quite a bit taller. Forget the inflated height stat for RW. He's about 5-9 tops. I've stood right next to him. I'm six-foot and he was way shorter than me. Huge hands and looong arms, though. And yes, still has the potential to be a great QB with the right crew around him.

 

[vin.couve12]

It's so ridiculously sad. Height plays a part. It's impossible for it not to. Obviously there are other factors. It doesn't change the fact that RW is a top 5ish QB when healthy and especially a good running game to help. Indeed, he'll probably hoist another Lombardi trophy. Maybe even more.

Why the need to deny the truth as if RW is the most perfect human alive? Why worship a man so much that you can't even admit something like mathematics? Why do I ask stupid questions to believers? N/m....

 

[semiahmoo]

It's so ridiculously sad. Height plays a part. It's impossible for it not to. Obviously there are other factors. It doesn't change the fact that RW is a top 5ish QB when healthy and especially a good running game to help. Indeed, he'll probably hoist another Lombardi trophy. Maybe even more.

Why the need to deny the truth as if RW is the most perfect human alive? Why worship a man so much that you can't even admit something like mathematics? Why do I ask stupid questions to beleivers? N/m....

Well said.

RW is an elite athlete no doubt and when all the pieces are working, a very good QB.

Unfortunately those pieces haven't been in place the last few seasons and last year we were a paper tiger team big time.

You hit on it - RW needs a legit run threat from the backfield. Without that, his weaknesses are exposed.

He is leaner this season which is great - but from what I saw at camp and preseason, he doesn't really look much faster than his heavier version coming into last season. He's older and not the lightning-quick scrambler he once was which makes his need to have someone to dump the ball off to in a power run game even more important.

Without that he will struggle to help lead the team to a legit playoff run.

 

[Anthony!]

It's obviously nice to score more touchdowns as that's the object of the game, but when are some of you going to get it through your heads that coming away with a field goal helps the Hawks more than any team in the league. Why? Because by and large, we give up the fewest points in the league on defense. I could see that happening again this year. So those 3 points at a time are more valuable to us than any team in the league as we maximize their production.

It also diminishes our chances of taking risks, making us less likely to throw a pass in late down and short distance situations when we are in field goal range. That's why kickers need to be productive for us.

So it's not like we're eschewing touchdowns because we prefer field goals. It's just that with our defense being as good as it is, we protect our points better. It's the philosophy Pete has held firmly his length of time with the Hawks. I'm not going to argue with it because it works.

So think before you get all freaked out about red zone production and rankings, where field goals bring that number down. Maybe a better indicator is the number of plays run or possessions in the red zone. There's a formula there somewhere that Pete must rely on that maybe you statniks can pinpoint. My only concern is our won-lost record.

When will you get it through your head that there is room for improvement from Bevell and RW in the redzone?

This is true - and the entire league knows it.

LOL of course they do LOL because you said so LOL

 

[Anthony!]

River 6-5 42 inside the 20, Height is not a factor or Rivers would be higher as would several other big Qbs, scheme and oline is the big facts as I have shown. PS let's not feed the trolls

I'm not feeding any trolls. They eat essentially anything so you don't have to worry about their diet. Especially the undead ones that just walked right over the wall rubble.

I'm sorry, but geometry is real though. Nothing can change that.

Go look at Drew Brees's red zone numbers and tell me again this is really an issue. They are within 1" of each other.

Geometry < Bevell

Actually they are not. Drew is quite a bit taller. Forget the inflated height stat for RW. He's about 5-9 tops. I've stood right next to him. I'm six-foot and he was way shorter than me. Huge hands and looong arms, though. And yes, still has the potential to be a great QB with the right crew around him.

LOL again of course and you stood next to him LOL suuuuure you did, and of course the fact that narrative fits your agenda mean nothing, and the fafct others hav emet Rw and woudl disagree with you means nothing

 

[Seymour]

Great, now Wilson is 5'9" MAX.

....and maybe someday he will be a great QB. Why bother.... :roll:

 

[Anthony!]

It's so ridiculously sad. Height plays a part. It's impossible for it not to. Obviously there are other factors. It doesn't change the fact that RW is a top 5ish QB when healthy and especially a good running game to help. Indeed, he'll probably hoist another Lombardi trophy. Maybe even more.

Why the need to deny the truth as if RW is the most perfect human alive? Why worship a man so much that you can't even admit something like mathematics? Why do I ask stupid questions to believers? N/m....

its not that we do or dont but that you have no proof it does just conjecture. It is also because certain posters feel the need to not only point out every perceived issue with Rw, and push on it to further their agenda. Also interesting how no other Qb ever has issues, we discuss Rw relative to other QBs but those same posters with their agenda act like the other QBs are gods and Rw is well not. All Qbs have things they could be better at, all Qbs have some physical limitations, However for certain posters, only Rws matter and they are always huge issues, despite the fact that there is little proof to support it, So as to height why does that need to be the issue? Answer it does not expect that you and a certain other poster feel it has to be.

 

[vin.couve12]

I mean he's a real person. Theoretically, you could stand next to him. It's not like you would face melt like on Indiana Jones when they opened the arch.

Nothing would happen. He might even shake you hand and no I don't want to know what you would do with that hand.