The Dark Side vs the L.O.B

[JPatera76]

Agree to disagree.

These next two games are the games that will cement their legacy (until their next opportunity). LOB did it by obliterating the #1 ranked offense, on the world's largest stage.

While amazing and even historical, no one outside Seattle will really remember regular season stats if they don't hoist the Lombardi.

What a cop out lol.

 

[hox]

What a cop out lol.

I guess.

 

[keasley45]

Agree to disagree.

These next two games are the games that will cement their legacy (until their next opportunity). LOB did it by obliterating the #1 ranked offense, on the world's largest stage.

While amazing and even historical, no one outside Seattle will really remember regular season stats if they don't hoist the Lombardi.

I think history will remember this defense more for crushing the mighty Rams in the NFCCG than it will for beating a lesser opponent in the SB.

The LOB stamped their legend ticket because they beat the unbeatable Manning and the Donks. It was an upset and a domination that put the world on notice.

We get a good bit of that tomorrow if we do the same to Stafford and the Rams.

Us throttling Drake Maye or Stidham in the SB would be expected.

 

[hox]

I think history will remember this defense more for crushing the mighty Rams in the NFCCG than it will for beating a lesser opponent in the SB.

The LOB stamped their legend ticket because they beat the unbeatable Manning and the Donks. It was an upset and a domination that put the world on notice.

We get a good bit of that tomorrow if we do the same to Stafford and the Rams.

Us throttling Drake Maye or Stidham in the SB would be expected.

That's what I'm saying. I believe they can do it, but they still have to do it.

I'm not saying they aren't capable.

 

[Dolomight12]

Oh my Gob, I ain't no X's and O's kinda guy, but even I understanded the simplicity of Macdonald's defensive skeems.
Seriously though, can you imagine what THIS 2025 Defense would look like if it had 2013 secondary backing this D-Line?

Sub 10pts/game

 

[BirdsCommaAngry]

They're neck and neck statistically. Peak LOB won a Superbowl and nearly another but also had fewer injuries and was stacked with HoFers. IMO you give LOB the nod due to the championship but acknowledge the current team has the better scheme and coaching. If defensive masterminds walked so Carroll could run, then Mike Macdonald is sprinting like Usain Bolt right now.

The crazy, and more important part though, is today's defense can still get even better lol.

 

[NoGain]

I think history will remember this defense more for crushing the mighty Rams in the NFCCG than it will for beating a lesser opponent in the SB.

The LOB stamped their legend ticket because they beat the unbeatable Manning and the Donks. It was an upset and a domination that put the world on notice.

We get a good bit of that tomorrow if we do the same to Stafford and the Rams.

Us throttling Drake Maye or Stidham in the SB would be expected.

You're right in that it might have seemed that way with the betting line and the way the national media may have been portraying the Donks as some unstoppable offensive machine. But I can honestly say that I was not the least bit nervous heading into that game, which was strange since so much was riding on the outcome of it for us. The 49er game, however, was just the opposite for me. I felt that was going to be a tense, knock down, drag out battle on the gridiron. When we won that game, my confidence was sky high heading into the Super Bowl. It wasn't fan-cockiness so much as it was that I just couldn't see the Donks beating us. It was much the same way I felt growing up a Bear fan heading into that Super Bowl against the Pats.

That game was never an upset to me. I thought the national media and betting line was way off heading into that game.

 

[keasley45]

You're right in that it might have seemed that way with the betting line and the way the national media may have been portraying the Donks as some unstoppable offensive machine. But I can honestly say that I was not the least bit nervous heading into that game, which was strange since so much was riding on the outcome of it for us. The 49er game, however, was just the opposite for me. I felt that was going to be a tense, knock down, drag out battle on the gridiron. When we won that game, my confidence was sky high heading into the Super Bowl. It wasn't fan-cockiness so much as it was that I just couldn't see the Donks beating us. It was much the same way I felt growing up a Bear fan heading into that Super Bowl against the Pats.

That game was never an upset to me. I thought the national media and betting line was way off heading into that game.

Yup

 

[themunn]

I don't think there's a lot between them but I still give the 2013 defense the edge.

This team starts with its running stopping - Leonard Williams and Byron Murphy allow the rest of the defensive line to do a whole lot, and then we have excellent pieces all over, whereas the LOB is still possible the greatest secondary ever assembled. 2013 team also led the league in yards, points AND turnovers. Still - I think most of the Dark side are signed through 2027 so I wouldn't be surprised to see them take a step forward next year too.

However I think ET/Kam/Sherm/Bobby/KJ/Bennett/Avril in 2013 are starters on this defense (though I'll give it as a toss-up between D.Law and Bennett/Avril), whereas only Williams, Murphy and Witherspoon are guaranteed a start for the 2013 team. Not to take anything away from the current guys mind - it's like 1A/1B. Emmanwori you have to find a way to get him on the field too but not at the expense of ET/Kam. I guess you could have him in the (superbowl MVP) Malcolm Smith spot. EJ obviously too you want to get him on the field but ahead of Bobby?

 

[AnimeAmore]

My take:
LOB had more *great* players, to the point that it's unlikely any defense will have that many HOF players again.
The current defense (i hate the name "the dark side") doesn't really have any weaknesses, and is better at the line of scrimmage.

The closest similarity that I see is Kam Chancellor and Nick Emmanwori. Both defenses had a stellar strong safety.

 

[JustTheTip]

Agree to disagree.

These next two games are the games that will cement their legacy (until their next opportunity). LOB did it by obliterating the #1 ranked offense, on the world's largest stage.

While amazing and even historical, no one outside Seattle will really remember regular season stats if they don't hoist the Lombardi.

Guess that takes Barry Sanders out of the conversation for top running back, makes Tez’s induction to the hall of fame a farce and settles the argument who is the better rb between Alexander and Lynch.

 

[Blitzhawk]

People keep using the "but LOB was stacked with HOF players" as an argument but they were not HOF players when they came together as the LOB. Their contributions to the LOB is what made them HOF worthy. Who is to say the same does not happen with the current team. My opinion is they are really close but still have more work to do. Give them a couple seasons to show their worth and earn their spot. Even at that, it does not change the legendary status of the LOB in my mind. They can both be amazingly great legendary defenses.....time will tell.

 

[hox]

Guess that takes Barry Sanders out of the conversation for top running back, makes Tez’s induction to the hall of fame a farce and settles the argument who is the better rb between Alexander and Lynch.

I see what you're saying. Just think individual performances are graded on a different scale since no one player can carry an entire football team.

The LOB as a unit set the standard on the biggest stages. They aren't who they are without "The Tip" in the NFCCG, or what they did to Manning's historic offense in the Super Bowl. It isn't fair, but that's the standard to me. There is great, and then there is Legendary.

Now if this defense plays badly tonight and Puka or Davante goes off for some reason... I just can't put them on the same level as the LOB. They have to prove they can dominate on the biggest stages.

 

[JustTheTip]

I see what you're saying. Just think individual performances are graded on a different scale since no one player can carry an entire football team.

The LOB as a unit set the standard on the biggest stages. They aren't who they are without "The Tip" in the NFCCG, or what they did to Manning's historic offense in the Super Bowl. It isn't fair, but that's the standard to me. There is great, and then there is Legendary.

Now if this defense plays badly tonight and Puka or Davante goes off for some reason... I just can't put them on the same level as the LOB. They have to prove they can dominate on the biggest stages.

Yes, I pushed it to more of an extreme to make a point. That point is 100% valid. 3 units on a team. The LOB never did it all on their own, so we have no idea if they could have. The ring to be considered the same/better is not valid. More memorable? Sure. More memorable does not mean better.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

And to think, The MOB meets the LOB in Kam today. It will be epic.

 

[MontanaHawk05]

Nothing left to prove anymore. Welcome Dark Side!

 

[Sperrydogg]

If you pick apart some of the accolades, not stats really cause I don’t know that stuff, but the LOB beat the #1 offense, so did the Darkside. The LOB had an epic Super Bowl, the Darkside was a couple plays off a shutout. The LOB signature moment was in the conference championship and it was the Tip. The Darkside was in the conference championship and it was the pull off double team to blow up the rams chance for the go ahead score. But the Darkside beat Matt Stafford in its signature moment. The LOB beat Colin Kaepernick…. The #1 offense gave the Darkside its very best shot and came up short. The #1 offense against the LOB snapped the ball over Payton’s head and forgot to show up for that game.

Next year the Darkside will join the LOB and the 85 bears and the Steel Curtain.

Next year when we repeat we will truly become the dynasty we were meant to be

 

[SoulfishHawk]

SEAHAWKS HELD THE PATRIOTS TO 79 TOTAL YARDS IN THEIR FIRST 10 DRIVES.

 

[Sperrydogg]

Also if the broncos and hawks played that game again, would it go the same?

Todays game, if they played it again, the hawks would get the shutout

 

[Trackhawk]

Denver wasn’t just the number 1 offense that year, they were arguably the number one offense of all time (going into the Super Bowl). Certainly top five.

Pats offense this year won’t be remembered, in the same way Seahawks defense wouldn’t be remembered, if they never get/ got a Lombardi.

LOB did it for multiple years.

LOB didn’t just have HOF players, they had self-aggrandizing personalities. They forced their way into people’s memories. Pete allowed that kind of behavior and swagger. Something tells me that Mike Mac won’t.

TDS is on the way, but they need to sustain their level of dominance to be in the conversation with the LOB. They don’t need another Lombardi, but it wouldn’t hurt.