Stroud looks decent out there

[Hawkinaz]

While I wouldn't do it, it has been mentioned by people around the league as a viable idea because the position is so valuable and the future capitol you can gain when trading the other guy down the road is much higher than the initial cost. It's just so different than the norm that teams probably aren't going to try it. Washington did it to a lesser extent with RG3 and Cousins.

By saying people around the league are mentioning drafting 2 QBs in the 1st rd who are these people?

Hawks have way too many holes to fill I don’t expect PC/JS to draft a QB in 2023 let alone 2

 

[Ozzy]

I’ve just read it talked about by analytics guys. Zero chance they do it or should just that it’s been discussed in the past and there is some merit to it. I don’t advocate for it. Seattle has too many holes. I am for taking one if they fall to their first pick

 

[SantaClaraHawk]

Stroud looked like a special player. Jalen Carter did not.

I thought Stroud looked as good as the Georgia qb Bennett.

 

[AgentDib]

I've been on the Stroud bandwagon for a long time from a purely Seahawks focused view.

Stroud's strengths are exactly what Pete has referred to in the past as a point guard style QB. Good arm, accuracy and decision making, spreads the football to many different targets all over the field, generally doesn't make negative plays, high completion percentage on shorter throws over the middle moving the chains.

The first criticism around him is that at Ohio State he is playing with much better talent level surrounding him than most teams have to work with. That is true, but it applies just as much if not more to most of the elite prospects. Young and Anderson at Alabama, Carter and Ringo at Georgia, and Murphy, Bresee and Simpson at Clemson were all on stacked teams. If fact, nearly all of the elite prospects at this stage in the process played for elite teams with elite teammates.

The second criticism about Stroud is that he tends to stick within the structure of the offense and rarely pulls a rabbit out of his hat. As a result, people worry about things like clutch factor, intangibles, and whether he has the "magic gene" for things like fourth quarter comebacks. He did a lot more with his legs vs. Georgia than normal, which is likely the genesis of this thread, but for me this is a very minor issue. I'm not looking for a superstar QB to carry a bad team because that formula doesn't really work, and team success is more important than having "the best QB" as a fan bragging right.

Finally, there is a lot of value to be had in a rookie QB even if they are not a superstar. The cap hits for the #3 overall pick will be $6.8m, $8.5m, $10.3m, $12.0m, then a fifth year option which can be leveraged into an extension with a fifth cheap year (Mahomes had a cap hit of $7.4m last year in his fifth season). There is this weird idea out there that if you draft a QB high then they need to be a superstar or it's a huge setback, but the reality is that even decent performance from a rookie QB is providing enormous value relative to their cap hits.

That being said, the most important thing is having a lot of draft capital. If a team is willing to part with a bunch of theirs in order to move up to our position for a QB then I'm all for trading down and continuing to build the overall talent of the team.

 

[Lagartixa]

The edge from Army is a freak also. Imagine drafting Carter and Carter with our first 2.

I almost wish they had first names that start with the same letter, to force something like when Jack Youngblood and Jim Youngblood, two defensive players with no... uh... blood relation, were both on the Rams in the '70s. They actually had "JACK" and "JIM" in smaller letters above "YOUNGBLOOD" on their jerseys.

 

[12forlife]

Stroud was outstanding— both passing and running on that final drive. His stock went up yesterday and Carter’s stock went down. Anderson did not look like a #2 pick yesterday, either. I’m thinking Poles might be more willing to trade down and the Stroud offers will be richer now. I wouldn’t mind trading down to some team that would trade a receiver + draft picks.

Well you better just Bijan Robinson, because Fields don't show me he's a solid QB. He runs like Lamar, and throws like Mayfield.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Well you better just Bijan Robinson, because Fields don't show me he's a solid QB. He runs like Lamar, and throws like Mayfield.

Fields will be fine when Bears have a solid offensive line and wide receivers. He has neither. Any QB would have problems passing surrounded by incompetents.

 

[Chevy]

Fields will be fine when Bears have a solid offensive line and wide receivers. He has neither. Any QB would have problems passing surrounded by incompetents.

Given your knowledge of the Bears...What would you do in the draft if you were the Bears GM?

Just curious, because you have more in-depth knowledge of the Bears.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Stroud reminds me a lot of Geno Smith in playstyle. I've been paying close attention to CJ Stroud. He's got a big arm and he's extremely accurate. He makes really difficult NFL caliber throws on a regular basis. He can slam balls into tight windows and throw guys open. He knows also knows how to make the anticipation throws already. He throws to the spots his receives are going to be.

He's a bit like Geno in that he doesn't move a whole ton in the pocket and he's got more mobility than people realize. He can gash you with his legs but more often than not he prefers to do work from the pocket.

His big weakspot is the offense he plays in. He's a one read QB. He's very good at pre-snap reads and adjustments, but he's awful when his first read is shutdown. He doesn't progress through the reads very well.

That being said, I think the progression thing can be fixed. He's got a lot of tools to build on that most collegiate QB's don't develop until they reach the NFL and have a few years under their belt.

I wouldn't complain if we picked up Stroud.

 

[massari]

It is also laughable that you believe we can afford any of the free agents on your list with the teams upcoming problem of functional cap space for next season. We have twenty players we will need to sign to fill out the fifty-three man roster as only thirty-three are under contract. With only $53.8M dollars currently available for the cap, that is a lot of players who will be getting less than the vet minimum (i.e. draft picks) to play for us especially considering we have only one inside linebacker signed for next season, and only two defensive ends that can play the large defensive end role that Hurtt (please may he be fired) wants to utilize, and only one defensive tackle when the soon to be 37 year old Al Woods retires. That is not even mentioning that we will more than likely cut both of those aforementioned defensive ends to get some cap relief and that when we cut Diggs (big cap relief) we will be down to only two safeties under contract. When was the last season that we actually had two safeties healthy for all sixteen (now seventeen games)? I certainly can't remember.

Your scenario is not only far fetched, it is illogical.

Here's an easy to understand version

It's not difficult to create cap space

The salary cap officially will drop by $15.7 million, in comparison to last year.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Trading/cutting Diggs, J.Adams, Mone, G.Jackson, Harris and Jefferson opens up an extra $50M for 2023. $40M if they don't want to eat Adams' dead money. There are plenty of other ways to create cap room.

As far as not affording free agents, there are "voidable" years to lower cap hits on top of how it's structured. Haason Reddick was signed by the Eagles for $15M APY with a year one cap hit of $3.8M. Chandler Jones signed last year for $17M APY with a year one cap hit of $7M.

Double dipping quarterbacks in the first round is your scenario. This teams problem is defense and you want to waste a second first round pick on the same position as the first. Sure, quarterback is the most important position in sports, but no one in the history of the NFL has expended more than a first and fourth rounder in the same draft for a QB. They only looked decent doing it because the first rounder was driven into the ground by his playing style and a coach that didn't seem to care about his injuries.

Try thinking outside the box. Outside of Carter, Anderson, Wilson and Murphy, all other guys who play in the front 7 are late 1st/2nd round type players according to some very good draft analysts. Assuming those top 4 guys get taken in the top 11, picking leftovers at #12 out of desperation is just asking for another LJ Collier type reach. Why not try to secure the most important position in team sports with another high upside QB to compete and push one another for the starting job, while loading up on D talent in the 2nd. If Richardson/Levis actually make it to pick #12 with the top 4 pass rushers gone, but JS doesn't like either QB, then a trade down sounds like the next best thing.

Thinking outside the box is what made the Seahawks elite.

 

[Bear-Hawk]

Given your knowledge of the Bears...What would you do in the draft if you were the Bears GM?

Just curious, because you have more in-depth knowledge of the Bears.

I would try to trade down just one or two positions so that I can get Anderson or Carter + picks. Most people on the Bears forum want to trade down even lower to get a larger number of picks. I don’t know if there’s a right answer.