Sonics/NHL/New arena thread

[chris98251]

Basically it came down to this, give us a tax break, give us our requests and you get your 200 million, we fix your traffic issues, we fix the Ports issues, you don't pay squat.

They will find a way to say no unless you give us more, watch and see.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

If it is privately financed at this point with no MOU, why bother dealing with the city council and not just build it at tukwila? Less headaches and sticking points. Stick two fingers up to the council, port and mariners.

There would still be light rail and i5 nearby as well.

 

[twisted_steel2]

Imagine if this happens, and the new arena is privately built.... and has a successful NBA & NHL team.

And Seattle as a government entity has zero benefit from it. Zip. Well except from the taxes they try to squeeze from it.

Hopefully people will look back and blame:

Sally Bagshaw
Lorena González
Lisa Herbold
Debora Juarez
Kshama Sawant

Nice work in saving an alley ladies. :2thumbs:

 

[chris98251]

Imagine if this happens, and the new arena is privately built.... and has a successful NBA & NHL team.

And Seattle as a government entity has zero benefit from it. Zip. Well except from the taxes they try to squeeze from it.

Hopefully people will look back and blame:

Sally Bagshaw
Lorena González
Lisa Herbold
Debora Juarez
Kshama Sawant

Nice work in saving an alley ladies. :2thumbs:

Well since Hansen owns the properties the city which typically makes a lot of bank on parking is not going to be able to collect that share they get as well, I really hope they shut them out, they were going to get a Arena and a developed area handed to them once complete for just agreeing to the development and contributing the 200 million.

 

[twisted_steel2]

If it is privately financed at this point with no MOU, why bother dealing with the city council and not just build it at tukwila? Less headaches and sticking points. Stick two fingers up to the council, port and mariners.

There would still be light rail and i5 nearby as well.

Hansen has stated multiple times, he's only going to build the arena in Seattle, he's already invested $100 or $130 million in land(can't remember). He's pretty much all in at this point for the Sodo area.

Maybe if he'd targeted another area like Tukwila since the very beginning, yea it would have been easier. But I think its way too late to change.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Imagine if this happens, and the new arena is privately built.... and has a successful NBA & NHL team.

And Seattle as a government entity has zero benefit from it. Zip. Well except from the taxes they try to squeeze from it.

Hopefully people will look back and blame:

Sally Bagshaw
Lorena González
Lisa Herbold
Debora Juarez
Kshama Sawant

Nice work in saving an alley ladies. :2thumbs:

Oh no, they'll fall all over themselves congratulating each other for making the big bad billionaire sports team owner pay for his own arena.

It's really the only reason that gives me hope this actually might get done, cause all these council members can use this as a feather in their cap for re-election.

 

[TransGenderHawkFan]

I thought political discussions/additions to conversations were not allowed anymore?

 

[Sports Hernia]

Strange feeling... Excited at the idea but pissed off that this city counsel gets a pass.

Yep, and even now that Hansen has thrown down the gauntlet and said "fine, I'll pay for EVERYTHING myself, as well as greasing the palm of the port by giving money to fix all their fake issues with the arena hurting their routes"..........the city and county councils will still be a pain in the ass with more and more issues, problems and delaying.

That's what I got from the last go around. It'll never be enough. Too many hippie progressive liberals on the councils that hate sports and are not just ambivalent towards this whole project, they're downright hostile towards it.

The Seattle CC is running out of excuses and the port is running out of strawmen. 8)

 

[chris98251]

This isn't the promotion, in fact the topic and the politics are intertwined, and technically it's about the MOU not the actual politics and the councils approval.

 

[Msfann]

Strange feeling... Excited at the idea but pissed off that this city counsel gets a pass.

Yep, and even now that Hansen has thrown down the gauntlet and said "fine, I'll pay for EVERYTHING myself, as well as greasing the palm of the port by giving money to fix all their fake issues with the arena hurting their routes"..........the city and county councils will still be a pain in the ass with more and more issues, problems and delaying.

That's what I got from the last go around. It'll never be enough. Too many hippie progressive liberals on the councils that hate sports and are not just ambivalent towards this whole project, they're downright hostile towards it.

THIS!


I have absolutely no faith in the Seattle city council when it comes to the Sonics, they will find something else to complain about to sink things.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Strange feeling... Excited at the idea but pissed off that this city counsel gets a pass.

Yep, and even now that Hansen has thrown down the gauntlet and said "fine, I'll pay for EVERYTHING myself, as well as greasing the palm of the port by giving money to fix all their fake issues with the arena hurting their routes"..........the city and county councils will still be a pain in the ass with more and more issues, problems and delaying.

That's what I got from the last go around. It'll never be enough. Too many hippie progressive liberals on the councils that hate sports and are not just ambivalent towards this whole project, they're downright hostile towards it.

THIS!


I have absolutely no faith in the Seattle city council when it comes to the Sonics, they will find something else to complain about to sink things.

I'm already seeing Tweets from Times media saying "well not so fast, we have to see what these tax concessions and breaks are first that Hansen wants!"

Let the waffling begin.

 

[TransGenderHawkFan]

This isn't the promotion, in fact the topic and the politics are intertwined, and technically it's about the MOU not the actual politics and the councils approval.

Taking pot shots at one side of the political spectrum should be oob.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Assuming all gets approved. What comes first nhl relocation or nba expansion?

 

[TransGenderHawkFan]

Assuming all gets approved. What comes first nhl relocation or nba expansion?

Hrd to tell but I would wager the NHL would bring the coyotes here almost immediately if that arena situation hasn't been rectified. I know that they say the key couldn't do hockey longterm but I wonder about a short term situation.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Port commisioner already saying nothing has changed. Doesnt he realize most game are midweek at 7 at night?

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Imagine if this happens, and the new arena is privately built.... and has a successful NBA & NHL team.

And Seattle as a government entity has zero benefit from it. Zip. Well except from the taxes they try to squeeze from it.

Hopefully people will look back and blame:

Sally Bagshaw
Lorena González
Lisa Herbold
Debora Juarez
Kshama Sawant

Nice work in saving an alley ladies. :2thumbs:

Herbold or gonzalez would be most likely to flip as their concerns were public money. Bagshaw wanted key arena renovation.

Wish the elections were sooner. Juarez would be voted out in my district. Not showing up to local public meetings in her district the last few months, not replying to email has left a lot of pissed off people in north seattle.

 

[chris98251]

Well the Times has no business in this whatsoever, that's the Mariners talking thru them, Port getting their situation fixed, yes things have changed, I am not sure how fast this can get done, but bringing this subject up when the Voters pamphlets have been sent out and two weeks before elections is now going to put a huge spotlight on all those involved, this has been a hot issue and divisive.

The Tax breaks and other things asked for will be displayed shortly, if they were given to the Seahawks and the Mariners it will be hard to argue withholding them when Hansen is putting up all the cash now.

I can see the City or Council wanting to keep things that benefit them in the MOU, like Hansen giving the Arena to the City when it's done etc.

 

[Glasgow Seahawk]

Well the Times has no business in this whatsoever, that's the Mariners talking thru them, Port getting their situation fixed, yes things have changed, I am not sure how fast this can get done, but bringing this subject up when the Voters pamphlets have been sent out and two weeks before elections is now going to put a huge spotlight on all those involved, this has been a hot issue and divisive.

The Tax breaks and other things asked for will be displayed shortly, if they were given to the Seahawks and the Mariners it will be hard to argue withholding them when Hansen is putting up all the cash now.

I can see the City or Council wanting to keep things that benefit them in the MOU, like Hansen giving the Arena to the City when it's done etc.

There is no city council or mayoral elections next month though. Earliest is end of next year.

 

[FearTheBeak]

Assuming all gets approved. What comes first nhl relocation or nba expansion?

Hrd to tell but I would wager the NHL would bring the coyotes here almost immediately if that arena situation hasn't been rectified. I know that they say the key couldn't do hockey longterm but I wonder about a short term situation.

With Vegas getting the nod for expansion over Quebec I'm guessing they will be the next city to get an NHL team. They've already got the arena and an established fan base. The one thing Seattle has going for it is we're in the west which was one of the determining factors in the decision for Vegas.

But both the Coyotes and the 'Canes have unsettled situations so anything is possible.

 

[kobebryant]

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