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Throwdown":ij2mk77k said:
Smelly McUgly":ij2mk77k said:
But where would the arena be? This SoDo thing isn't happening. I'll believe it when a new arena plan gets unveiled.

Sir...

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2 ... /14043486/

It is the SoDo arena, those suckers over in safeco are gonna be real pissed and I'm gonna love it!

Murray's not changing the MOU. The council's not changing the MOU. Hansen would change the MOU, but only if a hockey owner wanted to take on the costs of the hockey team, and the numbers don't pencil out.

EDIT: This sounds like I'm trying to crap in your cereal, Throw. Geez! I'm not, but those are three things that are realities. They can change, maybe, but it doesn't seem like those three major issues have been addressed.
 

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Smelly McUgly":2f26pwyq said:
Throwdown":2f26pwyq said:
Smelly McUgly":2f26pwyq said:
But where would the arena be? This SoDo thing isn't happening. I'll believe it when a new arena plan gets unveiled.

Sir...

http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2 ... /14043486/

It is the SoDo arena, those suckers over in safeco are gonna be real pissed and I'm gonna love it!

Murray's not changing the MOU. The council's not changing the MOU. Hansen would change the MOU, but only if a hockey owner wanted to take on the costs of the hockey team, and the numbers don't pencil out.

EDIT: This sounds like I'm trying to crap in your cereal, Throw. Geez! I'm not, but those are three things that are realities. They can change, maybe, but it doesn't seem like those three major issues have been addressed.

I think Hansen just wanted a hockey owner to pony up for themselves, he didn't want to fit the bill for something he didn't have any interest in owning. It sounds like the non-binding agreement would mean Coleman pays for his share, which is what Hansen wanted all along.

More from the PI:

http://blog.seattlepi.com/sonics/2014/0 ... rena-deal/

Citing sources with knowledge of talks between Hansen and Vancouver’s Victor Coleman, KING’s Chris Daniels reported on Tuesday that “the two potential ownership groups have signed a ‘non-binding’ agreement which lays out the terms for Coleman’s contribution to the project and his potential revenue streams for a hockey franchise.”

Coleman, a real estate developer now based in Los Angeles, heads one of the groups bidding for a potential NHL team, and has been involved in ongoing discussions for a Seattle franchise. Hansen is the hedge-fund manager who headed an attempt to buy the Sacramento Kings and move them to Seattle in 2013.

Coleman and co-investor Jonathan Glaser met with Seattle Mayor Ed Murray, King County Executive Dow Constantine, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman and Deputy Commissioner Bill Daly in May to discuss the prospect of bringing a team to the Emerald City, but “left without an agreement or plan to move forward,” according to Daniels.

So you're right about the City of Seattle, they could screw things up royally and we all know they can...http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/03/sport ... html?_r=1&
 

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Throwdown":2rxccjyl said:
HoustonHawk82":2rxccjyl said:
Question:

What's wrong with Key Arena?

signed,
Somebody that moved away 15 years ago.

Small, not at all an NHL arena, sight lines are just not there for hockey. For basketball it's fine for a short term, but it's not enough to be modern with the NBA standard.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KeyArena

Conversely, in February 2012, SB Nation columnist Travis Hughs said that "KeyArena is so poorly designed for hockey that even a single season there would be unacceptable", referring to the arrangement of seating on only one end of the rink, a consequence of the renovation favoring basketball-type bleacher arrangements - the same problems with sight lines that caused the Thunderbirds to negotiate for a new arena nearby. Hughs wrote "It's pretty bad when the center-hanging scoreboard is positioned over the blue line, not center ice. Half the building is completely unsuitable for viewing hockey. Even on just a temporary basis, playing NHL hockey in a building where half the lower bowl is sectioned off is just unacceptable. Imagine watching a game played here on TV: The camera pans over to the right, catching a play in the corner, and you can't see a single fan in the stands. Embarrassing, really."[26]

This was done intentionally during the 94-95 renovation. SuperSonic management could have easily had it built to accommodate both basketball and hockey... but why invite competition right? The Ackerly's viewed hockey as competition and went to some crazy length's to keep hockey out of Seattle.


http://www.seattlehockey.net/Seattle_Ho ... e_NHL.html

In December of 1989 when the NHL announced a new round of expansion for the 1992-93 season. Two groups quickly established themselves as contenders for a Seattle franchise. The first was financed by Microsoft millionaire Chris Larson and led by former Seattle Totem Bill MacFarland. The other was headed by Bill Ackerley, son of Seattle Supersonics owner Barry Ackerley.

Ackerley had already applied for a franchise and the two camps decided to pool their resources.

presentation to the Board of Governors took place on December 5. The Seattle contingent consisted of four representatives: MacFarland, Larson, Barry Ackerley, and Bill Lear, a financial advisor for Ackerley. They met for breakfast and discussed their strategy, then adjourned to a room to await their turn to present.

Ackerley then made a strange request. He asked if he and Lear could speak to the Board first in private before the others did their portion of the presentation. It was a complete surprise – they had not discussed this over breakfast, but MacFarland and Larson reluctantly agreed.

Ten minutes later Stein returned with a strange story. Apparently Ackerley introduced himself to the Board and informed them that the Seattle group was withdrawing its application. No reason was given. Ackerley and Lear then left the room through another exit. MacFarland and Larson were stunned.

Completed in 1995, the newly renamed Key Arena was a palace for basketball with 17,000 seats and over 50 luxury boxes. Unfortunately the remodel reduced the building’s seating capacity for hockey, leaving it with only around 10,000 unrestricted view seats. MacFarland has stated that he believes this was part of Ackerley’s plan all along – prevent the city from getting an NHL team that would compete with the Supersonics and then remodel the Coliseum to ensure his team remained the building’s key tenant.

Now we have neither! :34853_doh:
 
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Yep twisted, that's exactly how I remember it. The ghost of Barry Ackerly lives in the mind of Howard Lincoln sadly!
 

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New NBA TV deal got announced, we'll see what's up probably sometime this season of those expansion rumors were real or not.
 

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SonicHawk":219sg0al said:
They weren't.

Probably not, and if they are thinking expansion we won't know anything til after the Milwaukee situation is resolved.
 

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I don't know Chris Hansen personally (besides casual conversation), but an acquaintance that works with his group trying to bring back the Sonics hinted that the general feeling from the NBA is they don't think that Seattle is going to build an arena. Not because of Hansen, but because of the city council and general feeling of the city (in terms of how they vote). They also don't see expansion (within the US) as much of a possibility within the next 6-10 years.

Sacramento was absolutely our best chance, but Stern liked smaller, single-pro franchise markets (in addition to the big city markets) so he absolutely did fight for them. It turned out to be a wonderful deal for the NBA.

For as much as we like to taunt our standing as 14th in the 'Television Market', we're not that great. We spend less time watching TV than the South and rural areas and consume are media differently than most (lot of web watching).

Our metro area is a fantastically unique area, but it's not necessarily a must for the NBA to make money.
 

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Sorry dont mean to rub salt in the wound. But we were close on the NHL front, super close.

http://seattletimes.com/html/hockey/202 ... 07xml.html

“Most people don’t realize how close we were to actually getting an NHL team,’’ says former Seattle mayor Mike McGinn, who had been involved in the relocation talks.

But the emerging truth is tough to ignore: A one-vote decision is the only reason Seattle isn’t already gearing up for a second NHL season beginning this week.

Two sources with first-hand knowledge have confirmed New York investor Bartoszek had moving trucks on standby to relocate the team to Seattle



Son of a $^%#^$%

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twisted_steel2":31jhikac said:
Sorry dont mean to rub salt in the wound. But we were close on the NHL front, super close.

http://seattletimes.com/html/hockey/202 ... 07xml.html

“Most people don’t realize how close we were to actually getting an NHL team,’’ says former Seattle mayor Mike McGinn, who had been involved in the relocation talks.

But the emerging truth is tough to ignore: A one-vote decision is the only reason Seattle isn’t already gearing up for a second NHL season beginning this week.

Two sources with first-hand knowledge have confirmed New York investor Bartoszek had moving trucks on standby to relocate the team to Seattle



Son of a $^%#^$%

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Me ^^^
Mother $&@#%¥!!!!!!!!!!! :x
 

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twisted_steel2":262mxl7n said:
Sorry dont mean to rub salt in the wound. But we were close on the NHL front, super close.

http://seattletimes.com/html/hockey/202 ... 07xml.html

“Most people don’t realize how close we were to actually getting an NHL team,’’ says former Seattle mayor Mike McGinn, who had been involved in the relocation talks.

But the emerging truth is tough to ignore: A one-vote decision is the only reason Seattle isn’t already gearing up for a second NHL season beginning this week.

Two sources with first-hand knowledge have confirmed New York investor Bartoszek had moving trucks on standby to relocate the team to Seattle



Son of a $^%#^$%

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The last part here is full of holes.


Well they forgot one thing in that story, Hansen doesn't want to be a co owner with guys from Milwaukee in Seattle. :)

Second Hansen is the one with the Arena deal, not the guys from Milwaukee and there is an asumption here that everyone is happy while the NBA extorts money twice, once from the new owners in Milwaukee and then again from Hansen.
 

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Changes have been made and there is now an NHL-1st aspect to the EIS and MOU according to Chris Daniels.
 

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