Seahawks Targeting Sam Darnold

[Chukarhawk]

I'm calling BS on the whole Darnold idea who the fock is Dianna Russini anyway? It's Poppycock.

 

[James in PA]

I'm calling BS on the whole Darnold idea who the fock is Dianna Russini anyway? It's Poppycock.

I could see them pulling the okey-doke and signing someone like Justin Fields instead.

 

[Chukarhawk]

I could see them pulling the okey-doke and signing someone like Justin Fields instead.

Fields is so bad I don't see that happening, but I get the head fake take. I think it's somewhat likely. Or maybe the plan is to rent Darnold for a year and draft the kid they like.

 

[James in PA]

Fields is so bad I don't see that happening, but I get the head fake take. I think it's somewhat likely. Or maybe the plan is to rent Darnold for a year and draft the kid they like.

I thought Fields looked pretty good for Pittsburgh last year until ME3 had to come along and try to be the hero.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Well if you wanted to destroy any hope for the coming season...signing Darnold to a big contract would be a great way to do it.

Didn't the Jets have Darnold and a great Defense? Is our goal to replicate that?

 

[toffee]

Darnold's agent to John Schneider: Price just gone up by $10 mil since yesterday, but for future's sake, we will settle for $8 mil extra per year.

 

[Spin Doctor]

Well if you wanted to destroy any hope for the coming season...signing Darnold to a big contract would be a great way to do it.

Didn't the Jets have Darnold and a great Defense? Is our goal to replicate that?

My guess is this; The FO probably sees Darnold as being comparable to Geno Smith. The difference here is that there is more wiggle room to structure the contract for an easy out. Darnold is going to have a heavily incentive based contract wherever he goes. In addition to this, whatever contract he signs will make it easy to get rid of him. A lot more room to play around with the contract and make some sneaky accounting measures due to Darnold's lack of success prior to 2024.

With Geno the main issue is his asking price, at least how it was reported. Damn near 50 mil a year is what he was asking for. Would you want to pay that for a QB of Geno's caliber? Absolutely not.

 

[Hawkinaz]

Darnold showed his colors in the playoffs. Spend the Geno money to upgrade the rest of the roster and draft a QB.

Some Bears fans want to trade the #10 pick in first round.

DK is available in a trade I am sure JS would be happy to talk trade with the Bears

 

[DarkVictory23]

Wait a minute, so Darnold is at the same level as geNO? omg, he will be an instant darNO the second he signs with the Hawks.

Hawkblogger is on some serious copium here. The quick pressure difference is massive.

Having a good rating under pressure because you were able to hold onto the ball forever which allowed pressure to get to you but now Jettas is wide open deep is completely different than adjusting to quick pressure, of which Geno has faced the most in the NFL over the last 3 years. (Darnold targeted JJ on 41 passes under pressure, the most of a single QB to any 1 target in the league.)

These 'pass block grades' that show Minny as nearly as bad as us when their Time-to-Pressure rate was sitting in the top 10 and ours in the bottom 5 makes me wonder what these people (I'm assuming this grade comes from PFF) think pass blocking is for.

I don't care if Minny's IOL looks like garbage while holding their blocks for 2.5 seconds as long as they hold them... which they did the 2nd most often in the league. (2nd in PBWR)

For context, Darnold averaged the longest time in the pocket ever measured by NFL Next Gen Stats, which goes back to 2016. So, the Minny O-Line buys this dude the most pocket time in the last 9 years, but apparently they were trash?

Like, did Hawkblogger not watch the playoff game against the Rams or something? He's not challenging the narrative with facts, he's just making it seem like he's watched very little tape of Darnold play.

(For the record: Still mostly think Darnold is our best option as long as his contract isn't too bad.)

 

[Appyhawk]

Fields is so bad I don't see that happening, but I get the head fake take. I think it's somewhat likely. Or maybe the plan is to rent Darnold for a year and draft the kid they like.

I hope the plan is to draft a kid they feel is worth a shot regardless who they get to start this year.
Fields is not "so bad". He just isn't good enough to put a bad team on his shoulders and make them winners. I do not think we have a bad team, assuming we fix up the holes in our O Line and pick up another good receiver. That being the case I think we have a pretty darned good team.

 

[Ozzy]

If only Gruden knew football like our guys here

https://x.com/underdogfantasy/status/1898173958371131463?s=46

 

[Ozzy]

Hawkblogger is on some serious copium here. The quick pressure difference is massive.

Having a good rating under pressure because you were able to hold onto the ball forever which allowed pressure to get to you but now Jettas is wide open deep is completely different than adjusting to quick pressure, of which Geno has faced the most in the NFL over the last 3 years. (Darnold targeted JJ on 41 passes under pressure, the most of a single QB to any 1 target in the league.)

These 'pass block grades' that show Minny as nearly as bad as us when their Time-to-Pressure rate was sitting in the top 10 and ours in the bottom 5 makes me wonder what these people (I'm assuming this grade comes from PFF) think pass blocking is for.

I don't care if Minny's IOL looks like garbage while holding their blocks for 2.5 seconds as long as they hold them... which they did the 2nd most often in the league. (2nd in PBWR)

For context, Darnold averaged the longest time in the pocket ever measured by NFL Next Gen Stats, which goes back to 2016. So, the Minny O-Line buys this dude the most pocket time in the last 9 years, but apparently they were trash?

Like, did Hawkblogger not watch the playoff game against the Rams or something? He's not challenging the narrative with facts, he's just making it seem like he's watched very little tape of Darnold play.

(For the record: Still mostly think Darnold is our best option as long as his contract isn't too bad.)

Darnolds PFF grade when he has less than 2.5 seconds is better than Geno’s

 

[Hawkinaz]

Bob Condotta had reported the Seahawks made an offer earlier in the week which can be found on X and from what I have heard it was in the $40-45 million APY range the offer was declined by Smiths camp. I feel he wanted to get back with PC for his last contract which I am pretty sure he holds in very high regard

My thoughts is Geno would have extended with the Seahawks if PC hadn’t been hired by the Raiders and there is nothing the Seahawks could have done money was a non factor

 

[Subzero717]

Darnolds PFF grade when he has less than 2.5 seconds is better than Geno’s

Derek Carr's PFF player grade is higher than Patrick Mahomes. Geno Smiths PFF player grade is higher than Mathew Stafford's and Sam Darnold's. PFF is dumb.

 

[Ozzy]

Derek Carr's PFF player grade is higher than Patrick Mahomes. Geno Smiths PFF player grade is higher than Mathew Stafford's and Sam Darnold's. PFF is dumb.

Fair point I hate PFF lol but I think this idea that Darnold is terrible under pressure so he’s doomed for failure here is also kind of dumb

 

[Seattle Person]

Fair point I hate PFF lol but I think this idea that Darnold is terrible under pressure so he’s doomed for failure here is also kind of dumb

How about some more stats from 2024?

• Numbers under center %: Geno (29th), Darnold (3rd)
• Play action yds/attempt: Geno (34th), Darnold (5th)
• Passer rating: Geno (19th), Darnold (6th)
• % of completion for 1st down or TD: Geno (24th), Darnold (5th)
• Yds per completion: Geno (23rd), Darnold (6th)
• Passing TDs per attempt: Geno (32nd), Darnold (7th)
• Air yds/attempt: Geno (30th), Darnold (11th)
• Attempts beyond 5 yards: Geno (32nd), Darnold (4th)
• Average depth/target: Geno (30th), Darnold (11th)
• Completion 25 yds (+): Geno (14th), Darnold (1st)
• Redzone Tds: Geno (14th), Darnold (4th)
• Both players were about the same when having a clean pocket. They were also very similar when they were pressured.
• They both faced about the same amount of pressures last season.
• Most damning is passing rating when pressured: Geno (60.5 rating), Darnold (87.1 rating)

 

[Shane Falco]

Bob Condotta had reported the Seahawks made an offer earlier in the week which can be found on X and from what I have heard it was in the $40-45 million APY range the offer was declined by Smiths camp. I feel he wanted to get back with PC for his last contract which I am pretty sure he holds in very high regard

My thoughts is Geno would have extended with the Seahawks if PC hadn’t been hired by the Raiders and there is nothing the Seahawks could have done money was a non factor

I just think it's as simple as Geno wanted $50M /yr or whatever it was and the Seahawks didn't want to go that high. And/or Geno might have wanted a little more security in this one and the Seahawks didn't want to commit like that to a soon to be 35 yr old. So they didn't have much choice but to explore trades. Wonder if we'll ever know the exact details of how it broke down.

I do know they reportedly offered him more this season than he got last season. That's all that I heard.

 

[Subzero717]

Fair point I hate PFF lol but I think this idea that Darnold is terrible under pressure so he’s doomed for failure here is also kind of dumb

I don't disagree with that. I feel like the two are virtually the same and we are trying to make points to which is better. We traded Geno for a 3rd because, that's how we view him. Minnesota is letting a 14-win QB walk away instead of paying him minimal vet starter money because that's how they view him.

My favorite new PFFism is Jaxson Dart is their second highest rated college QB by the slimmest of margins below Cam ward and he's their 6th rated QB in the draft behind guys including Howard and Leonard who's own fanbases don't want them drafted in the mid-late rounds.

 

[DTiempo81]

I don't disagree with that. I feel like the two are virtually the same and we are trying to make points to which is better. We traded Geno for a 3rd because, that's how we view him. Minnesota is letting a 14-win QB walk away instead of paying him minimal vet starter money because that's how they view him.

In a vacuum, this makes sense. But context matters. Vikings have a young, highly drafted, QB just waiting in the wings. That would skew your comparison of how the teams view each QB, though, so I get why you didn't bring it up.

 

[Smellyman]

Hawkblogger is on some serious copium here. The quick pressure difference is massive.

Having a good rating under pressure because you were able to hold onto the ball forever which allowed pressure to get to you but now Jettas is wide open deep is completely different than adjusting to quick pressure, of which Geno has faced the most in the NFL over the last 3 years. (Darnold targeted JJ on 41 passes under pressure, the most of a single QB to any 1 target in the league.)

These 'pass block grades' that show Minny as nearly as bad as us when their Time-to-Pressure rate was sitting in the top 10 and ours in the bottom 5 makes me wonder what these people (I'm assuming this grade comes from PFF) think pass blocking is for.

I don't care if Minny's IOL looks like garbage while holding their blocks for 2.5 seconds as long as they hold them... which they did the 2nd most often in the league. (2nd in PBWR)

For context, Darnold averaged the longest time in the pocket ever measured by NFL Next Gen Stats, which goes back to 2016. So, the Minny O-Line buys this dude the most pocket time in the last 9 years, but apparently they were trash?

Like, did Hawkblogger not watch the playoff game against the Rams or something? He's not challenging the narrative with facts, he's just making it seem like he's watched very little tape of Darnold play.

(For the record: Still mostly think Darnold is our best option as long as his contract isn't too bad.)

Hawkblogger stated the seahawks were 32nd in pass blocking and Vikings were 30th