Russell Wilson and the 3 year, $45.5 million baseline

[Anthony!]

Before you give 20 million dollars a year to a quarterback that throws an interception to lose the Superbowl, look at Tom Brady's contract first. By the way, Brady has won four Superbowls...

Year---- Base Salary ---- Signing Bonus---- Cap Hit ---- Dead Cap
2015---- $8,000,000---- $6,000,000---- $14,000,000 -- $18,000,000
2016 --- $9,000,000 ----$6,000,000---- $15,000,000-- $12,000,000
2017--- $10,000,000 ---$6,000,000--- $16,000,000-- $6,000,000

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england- ... tom-brady/

Sign up Wilson for 10-12 million dollars a year, if not next man up. The real strength of the Seahawks is the defense and Marshawn Lynch, not Russel Wilson. Wilson's fair value would be something more like Alex Smith's contract.

2014: $1 million
2015: $11.9 million
2016: $14.1 million
2017: $10.2 million (+ $2 million roster bonus)
2018: $14.5 million (+ $2 million roster bonus)

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/9/2/ ... ity-chiefs

Compare Alex Smith's stats, than compare Russell Wilson's stats.. Virtually the same. Why over pay?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... backRating

Okay :roll: Which "Next Man Up" do you have in mind?
I hope that you're not implying that Alex Smith could also scramble for 800+Yards just like Wilson.
Not taking anything away from Lynch, but you are mistaken if you truly believe that Marshawn is the only one responsible for the success of the running game, it's Russell Wilsons additional Yards running that pushes the numbers over the top.
Wilson has unique capabilities, he's the TRUE dual threat, that RGIII was supposed to be, and Drafted as the #2 Quarterback taken in that same said Draft.
You have to be more than athletically gifted, and Wilson is the perfect fit for what PC wants from his ideal FRANCHISE Quarterback.
The notion that you can just plug in any ol' Quarterback, and get equal results is not only silly, it's totally ludicrous.
The Chiefs got what they paid for in Alex Smith.

To compare Bradys what 3rd contract to What will be Wilson first is silly. The whole Int in the SB is even sillier. As to Smith and Wilson no they are not comparable once again.

Wilson 2014
4324 total yards, 26 total tds, 7 total tos. QB rating 95, complt% 63

Smith 2014
3368 total yards, 18 total tds, 8 total Tos, qb rating 93, complt%65

So since when is almost 1000 more yards and 8 more tds close?

 

[BadgerVid]

Before you give 20 million dollars a year to a quarterback that throws an interception to lose the Superbowl, look at Tom Brady's contract first. By the way, Brady has won four Superbowls...

Year---- Base Salary ---- Signing Bonus---- Cap Hit ---- Dead Cap
2015---- $8,000,000---- $6,000,000---- $14,000,000 -- $18,000,000
2016 --- $9,000,000 ----$6,000,000---- $15,000,000-- $12,000,000
2017--- $10,000,000 ---$6,000,000--- $16,000,000-- $6,000,000

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-england- ... tom-brady/

Sign up Wilson for 10-12 million dollars a year, if not next man up. The real strength of the Seahawks is the defense and Marshawn Lynch, not Russel Wilson. Wilson's fair value would be something more like Alex Smith's contract.

2014: $1 million
2015: $11.9 million
2016: $14.1 million
2017: $10.2 million (+ $2 million roster bonus)
2018: $14.5 million (+ $2 million roster bonus)

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2014/9/2/ ... ity-chiefs

Compare Alex Smith's stats, than compare Russell Wilson's stats.. Virtually the same. Why over pay?

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/playe ... backRating

Okay :roll: Which "Next Man Up" do you have in mind?
I hope that you're not implying that Alex Smith could also scramble for 800+Yards just like Wilson.
Not taking anything away from Lynch, but you are mistaken if you truly believe that Marshawn is the only one responsible for the success of the running game, it's Russell Wilsons additional Yards running that pushes the numbers over the top.
Wilson has unique capabilities, he's the TRUE dual threat, that RGIII was supposed to be, and Drafted as the #2 Quarterback taken in that same said Draft.
You have to be more than athletically gifted, and Wilson is the perfect fit for what PC wants from his ideal FRANCHISE Quarterback.
The notion that you can just plug in any ol' Quarterback, and get equal results is not only silly, it's totally ludicrous.
The Chiefs got what they paid for in Alex Smith.

You're really taking that guy seriously? Strikes me he doesn't really have the well being of the 'Hawks at heart.

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

 

[Anthony!]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

 

[hawknation2015]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

You have no idea what Schneider's initial offer was . . . right?

 

[Anthony!]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

You have no idea what Schneider's initial offer was . . . right?

It was posted as 4 years 80 mil

 

[McGruff]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

Well, we don't truly know what has been asked or what has been offered. The best rumor we have to go by is a 4 year, 80 million extension, which is about the same average per year.

The key difference is that Cam is getting $14 million in 2015 finishing his current contract, and Wilson is getting $1.5 million. And that right there is where I think the FO needs to give little.

Also, the question on Cam still is the structure of the bonuses. Those will help us discern whether this is a 2-3 year contract with option years after, or a truly guaranteed contract.

 

[Anthony!]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

Well, we don't truly know what has been asked or what has been offered. The best rumor we have to go by is a 4 year, 80 million extension, which is about the same average per year.

The key difference is that Cam is getting $14 million in 2015 finishing his current contract, and Wilson is getting $1.5 million. And that right there is where I think the FO needs to give little.

Also, the question on Cam still is the structure of the bonuses. Those will help us discern whether this is a 2-3 year contract with option years after, or a truly guaranteed contract.

here you go

5 years 103.8 mil, 60 mli guarantees, 22.5 mil signing, 7.5 mil roster, 1 mil salary total 31 mil for next season, He will make 67.6 in the first 3 years or 22.53 mil a year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12999 ... -extension

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

It seems like Luck's camp is waiting for Wilson to sign first as Russell would be the closest comp for Luck and his agent to use for a starting point, and Indy doesn't seem to be in any hurry to extend him. So I highly doubt Luck gets done before Russell.

The Colts HAD a ton of cap space before they went buck wild in FA, now they have even less than we do. So that might be why they're hesitant to extend Luck before next year.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

I think Newton's deal is fair for the player and team and Wilson should get something similar.

Newton's contract did increase the Franchise QB amount for the next two years though.

 

[hawknation2015]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

You have no idea what Schneider's initial offer was . . . right?

It was posted as 4 years 80 mil

Posted by whom? John Schneider? Stop being so vague every time you get caught making things up.

 

[hawknation2015]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

Well, we don't truly know what has been asked or what has been offered. The best rumor we have to go by is a 4 year, 80 million extension, which is about the same average per year.

The key difference is that Cam is getting $14 million in 2015 finishing his current contract, and Wilson is getting $1.5 million. And that right there is where I think the FO needs to give little.

Also, the question on Cam still is the structure of the bonuses. Those will help us discern whether this is a 2-3 year contract with option years after, or a truly guaranteed contract.

here you go

5 years 103.8 mil, 60 mli guarantees, 22.5 mil signing, 7.5 mil roster, 1 mil salary total 31 mil for next season, He will make 67.6 in the first 3 years or 22.53 mil a year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12999 ... -extension

Not only did Newton agree to tack on this contract to this year's salary . . . he actually agreed to REDUCE this year's salary by more than $6 million to make the deal work for his team. This gives Newton a big signing bonus upfront ($22.5 million), and allows the team to ease into the salary increase by taking the first portion of the signing bonus ($4.5 million) in the final year of his rookie deal. It also reduced his overall cap hit this year to just $13 million. I hope Russell's agent is paying attention because THIS is how NFL contracts should be done, benefitting both the client and the team.

The only difference is Russell has earned even more money . . . I would say, as I have been saying for weeks, 5 years, $115 million, $23 million APY to make him the highest paid player in league history. If his agent allows us to tack this on to the end of his rookie salary, then it will be manageable for the team to continue playing championship-caliber football. Newton just set the example for how to get paid like one of the league's most elite players AND help his team going forward. Russell, your move.

 

[Sports Hernia]

It will be hilarious when our QB holds out until we go 0-4 preseason. See how fast we come up off the money then.

LOL........

He's not going to hold out.

 

[Anthony!]

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

You have no idea what Schneider's initial offer was . . . right?

It was posted as 4 years 80 mil

Posted by whom? John Schneider? Stop being so vague every time you get caught making things up.

Dude look it up it was posted right here on this forum with links to were it came from .

 

[Anthony!]

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

Well, we don't truly know what has been asked or what has been offered. The best rumor we have to go by is a 4 year, 80 million extension, which is about the same average per year.

The key difference is that Cam is getting $14 million in 2015 finishing his current contract, and Wilson is getting $1.5 million. And that right there is where I think the FO needs to give little.

Also, the question on Cam still is the structure of the bonuses. Those will help us discern whether this is a 2-3 year contract with option years after, or a truly guaranteed contract.

here you go

5 years 103.8 mil, 60 mli guarantees, 22.5 mil signing, 7.5 mil roster, 1 mil salary total 31 mil for next season, He will make 67.6 in the first 3 years or 22.53 mil a year.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/12999 ... -extension

Not only did Newton agree to tack on this contract to this year's salary . . . he actually agreed to REDUCE this year's salary by more than $6 million to make the deal work for his team. This gives Newton a big signing bonus upfront ($22.5 million), and allows the team to ease into the salary increase by taking the first portion of the signing bonus ($4.5 million) in the final year of his rookie deal. It also reduced his overall cap hit this year to just $13 million. I hope Russell's agent is paying attention because THIS is how NFL contracts should be done, benefitting both the client and the team.

The only difference is Russell has earned even more money . . . I would say, as I have been saying for weeks, 5 years, $115 million, $23 million APY to make him the highest paid player in league history. If his agent allows us to tack this on to the end of his rookie salary, then it will be manageable for the team to continue playing championship-caliber football. Newton just set the example for how to get paid like one of the league's most elite players AND help his team going forward. Russell, your move.

Agreed but again I think the biggest issue is years. The FO seems to prefer 4 year deals and Wilson is looking for longer.

 

[Anthony!]

It will be hilarious when our QB holds out until we go 0-4 preseason. See how fast we come up off the money then.

LOL........

He's not going to hold out.

It would be funny, If he did hold out it would not take a deal to get him in, only that they take the tag off the table which would be as good as saying goodbye to Wilson.

 

[theincrediblesok]

hawknation2015 it was reported throughout the media that the only offer Seattle gave to Wilson was the 4 year $80 million and that was it, and the ball was in Wilson's camp.

You remember before the Superbowl that articles were already coming out stating that Wilson will become the highest paid player, that was by the media. Look at the video below, they said people in the know told them, article suggest that it's the Seahawks FO.

source (January 10, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... estpaid-qb

Then another article came out that said the numbers would be in the $120 million. Article below pretty much a guess by the media suggesting it to be around 120 million.

source (January 29, 2015): http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... 20-million

This article below is the one that stated that the Seahawks are not close to the 120 million but 80 million for 4 years.

source (May 8, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ions-apart


So who really knows what's going on, It could all be fluff pieces by the media since they really have no idea what really is the deal. Anthony! didn't make up the numbers himself, it was the media that is making it all up.

All you hear now is people spinning every little thing Wilson is doing and not doing to make it all about his contract, since that's all they can get out of him. He miss two days of OTA and all of a sudden it's because of his contract. There's no talks that they hear of from Wilson and Seahawks so they make articles about how they might not even reach a deal. Eventually one news report will get it right, if you guess enough, then one of them will come true.

Wilson's agent had stated the only reason why it's taking so long is it's because they want to make sure the numbers are correct when it comes to guaranteed money and front loaded money. I think Wilson is thinking about the impact of what it would have on the team and they are making sure the number is correct, just like how Cam's contract is working right for their team. Wilson doesn't have it easy because this team is a team full of superstars so the contract have to be in the right numbers to be able to keep most of those superstars. This is what I believe is why things are taking longer than they should.

 

[hawknation2015]

hawknation2015 it was reported throughout the media that the only offer Seattle gave to Wilson was the 4 year $80 million and that was it, and the ball was in Wilson's camp.

You remember before the Superbowl that articles were already coming out stating that Wilson will become the highest paid player, that was by the media. Look at the video below, they said people in the know told them, article suggest that it's the Seahawks FO.

source (January 10, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... estpaid-qb

Then another article came out that said the numbers would be in the $120 million. Article below pretty much a guess by the media suggesting it to be around 120 million.

source (January 29, 2015): http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... 20-million

This article below is the one that stated that the Seahawks are not close to the 120 million but 80 million for 4 years.

source (May 8, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ions-apart


So who really knows what's going on, It could all be fluff pieces by the media since they really have no idea what really is the deal. Anthony! didn't make up the numbers himself, it was the media that is making it all up.

All you hear now is people spinning every little thing Wilson is doing and not doing to make it all about his contract, since that's all they can get out of him. He miss two days of OTA and all of a sudden it's because of his contract. There's no talks that they hear of from Wilson and Seahawks so they make articles about how they might not even reach a deal. Eventually one news report will get it right, if you guess enough, then one of them will come true.

Wilson's agent had stated the only reason why it's taking so long is it's because they want to make sure the numbers are correct when it comes to guaranteed money and front loaded money. I think Wilson is thinking about the impact of what it would have on the team and they are making sure the number is correct, just like how Cam's contract is working right for their team. Wilson doesn't have it easy because this team is a team full of superstars so the contract have to be in the right numbers to be able to keep most of those superstars. This is what I believe is why things are taking longer than they should.

As you say, that speculation is coming from one source . . . Danny O'Neil. We have no idea whether it is even close to an accurate reflection of the team's opening offer.

 

[Anthony!]

hawknation2015 it was reported throughout the media that the only offer Seattle gave to Wilson was the 4 year $80 million and that was it, and the ball was in Wilson's camp.

You remember before the Superbowl that articles were already coming out stating that Wilson will become the highest paid player, that was by the media. Look at the video below, they said people in the know told them, article suggest that it's the Seahawks FO.

source (January 10, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... estpaid-qb

Then another article came out that said the numbers would be in the $120 million. Article below pretty much a guess by the media suggesting it to be around 120 million.

source (January 29, 2015): http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... 20-million

This article below is the one that stated that the Seahawks are not close to the 120 million but 80 million for 4 years.

source (May 8, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ions-apart


So who really knows what's going on, It could all be fluff pieces by the media since they really have no idea what really is the deal. Anthony! didn't make up the numbers himself, it was the media that is making it all up.

All you hear now is people spinning every little thing Wilson is doing and not doing to make it all about his contract, since that's all they can get out of him. He miss two days of OTA and all of a sudden it's because of his contract. There's no talks that they hear of from Wilson and Seahawks so they make articles about how they might not even reach a deal. Eventually one news report will get it right, if you guess enough, then one of them will come true.

Wilson's agent had stated the only reason why it's taking so long is it's because they want to make sure the numbers are correct when it comes to guaranteed money and front loaded money. I think Wilson is thinking about the impact of what it would have on the team and they are making sure the number is correct, just like how Cam's contract is working right for their team. Wilson doesn't have it easy because this team is a team full of superstars so the contract have to be in the right numbers to be able to keep most of those superstars. This is what I believe is why things are taking longer than they should.

As you say, that speculation is coming from one source . . . Danny O'Neil. We have no idea whether it is even close to an accurate reflection of the team's opening offer.

All true, we will see.

 

[Hasselbeck]

Well...first reports on the Newton deal say $103M for 5 years worth $30M paid first year (incl sb) and a total of $67M guarantee. Doesn't really sound out of line for RW...

Well those are all numbers bigger than what the FO has offered Wilson so far, so we will see. I sure hope Luck does not sign before Wilson though.

It seems like Luck's camp is waiting for Wilson to sign first as Russell would be the closest comp for Luck and his agent to use for a starting point, and Indy doesn't seem to be in any hurry to extend him. So I highly doubt Luck gets done before Russell.

The Colts HAD a ton of cap space before they went buck wild in FA, now they have even less than we do. So that might be why they're hesitant to extend Luck before next year.

That and.... there's no need to extend him now because he's an UFA in 2017.

 

[theincrediblesok]

hawknation2015 it was reported throughout the media that the only offer Seattle gave to Wilson was the 4 year $80 million and that was it, and the ball was in Wilson's camp.

You remember before the Superbowl that articles were already coming out stating that Wilson will become the highest paid player, that was by the media. Look at the video below, they said people in the know told them, article suggest that it's the Seahawks FO.

source (January 10, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... estpaid-qb

Then another article came out that said the numbers would be in the $120 million. Article below pretty much a guess by the media suggesting it to be around 120 million.

source (January 29, 2015): http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... 20-million

This article below is the one that stated that the Seahawks are not close to the 120 million but 80 million for 4 years.

source (May 8, 2015): http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300000 ... ions-apart


So who really knows what's going on, It could all be fluff pieces by the media since they really have no idea what really is the deal. Anthony! didn't make up the numbers himself, it was the media that is making it all up.

All you hear now is people spinning every little thing Wilson is doing and not doing to make it all about his contract, since that's all they can get out of him. He miss two days of OTA and all of a sudden it's because of his contract. There's no talks that they hear of from Wilson and Seahawks so they make articles about how they might not even reach a deal. Eventually one news report will get it right, if you guess enough, then one of them will come true.

Wilson's agent had stated the only reason why it's taking so long is it's because they want to make sure the numbers are correct when it comes to guaranteed money and front loaded money. I think Wilson is thinking about the impact of what it would have on the team and they are making sure the number is correct, just like how Cam's contract is working right for their team. Wilson doesn't have it easy because this team is a team full of superstars so the contract have to be in the right numbers to be able to keep most of those superstars. This is what I believe is why things are taking longer than they should.

As you say, that speculation is coming from one source . . . Danny O'Neil. We have no idea whether it is even close to an accurate reflection of the team's opening offer.

The same way we don't know what Wilson's camp is asking for. It's more than Danny O'Neil, it's every media outlet having their own spins of what's going on with Wilson vs the FO.