*Rumor* Seahawks almost traded Wilson to Browns in '18

[ivotuk]

He has MANY years left in him. Not worried in the least.

Hopefully many years but not all in Seattle IMO . Do you really believe he will be in Seattle forever ? We all thought that Brady would never leave NE .

You all should not make statements claiming to know my opinions.

Belicheck is like Harbaugh, nobody sticks with him until the end. Tom Brady leaving was only a matter of time.

 

[Jville]

This article written by Danny O’Neil more accurately describes this situation. In the end BS is simply that, https://sports.mynorthwest.com/841939/o ... ll-wilson/

The following quote neatly sums it up for me ...........................

Seriously. It’s the perfect racket because you get all of the upside of a possible transaction involving the best players in a given sport and none of the downside of it actually having to be true.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Everyone is welcome to believe what they want of course. It seems odd that those who don't believe this are responding with such vitriol towards the media reporting this and towards the fans who believe that the trade talks occurred. Is this response the result of hurt feelings, belief that being outraged somehow makes you a good fan, confusion that the entire world does not see everything exactly as you do, what is it?

I realize that for many the initial emotion felt at this sort of news is a vulnerable emotion, and I understand that many lack the emotional strength necessary to accept the vulnerable emotion and therefore hide the vulnerable emotion behind a masking emotion, most often anger in these situations. Moreover, many lack temperance and are thus incapable of handling the masking emotion and react accordingly. Thus, we get a collection of hurt, anxious, helpless fans (vulnerable emotions) reacting with outrage and anger (masking emotions).

To me, those who don't believe this are incredibly naive.

We have Russ at the time: he and his agent talked about a league altering contract, he was keeping the baseball door open, there were rumors that he and Ciara would welcome a move to NY, and the next contract was looming.

We have the Seahawks: difficult cap decisions ahead, a franchise quarterback who would require top dollar to re-sign, uncertainty regarding the intentions of the franchise quarterback, a window that appeared to be closing or to have already closed, a quarterback rich draft upcoming, a potential trade partner desperate to become relevant and loaded with draft picks.

With all this, I think it would be irresponsible not to at least kick the tires and see what was possible. I don't think it was a case of JS/PC not believing in Russ; I think it came down to a decision between rebuild or reload. Seattle passed on the trade and elected to reload.

We have the rumors: JS was scouting Josh Allen, PC and/or JS were rumored to be high on at least three of the quarterbacks taken in the first round, the Seahawks scouted players who appeared to be outside of their draft position, the explanations given by the Seahawks were a mix of looking at backup QBs, looking at developmental QBs, scouting future free agents, and/or scouting future opponents. Wilson's camp is rumored to have contacted JS/PC to ask if there was something they should know.

The only articles I have seen that have put this rumor down come from Seattle sports "journalists" pandering to their local audience. To my knowledge, no credible football insider has said anything to dispel the rumor.

From Tim Hasselbeck:
“They were definitely talking about Russell Wilson being traded back then, yeah. I don’t know if it was just the Browns or where else that went, but yeah.”

 

[ivotuk]

Absolute Horse shit Rumor invented by Chris Simms in order to give himself a name. "I overheard this in the Toilet, but never checked up on it, but hey, who cares?

This is the new age where Journalistic Integrity is non-existent S0... I'll broadcast it anyway!"


DANNY AND GALLANT -- Hour 2 - Why we don't believe Russell Wilson was ever going to be traded

Hue Jackson, who was the head coach of the Cleveland Browns in 2018, says there's absolutely no way the Browns were in talks to trade for Russell Wilson at that time. We're seeing quite a bit of manufactured news.

https://sports.mynorthwest.com/category ... nd+Gallant

 

[ivotuk]

Everyone is welcome to believe what they want of course. It seems odd that those who don't believe this are responding with such vitriol towards the media reporting this and towards the fans who believe that the trade talks occurred. Is this response the result of hurt feelings, belief that being outraged somehow makes you a good fan, confusion that the entire world does not see everything exactly as you do, what is it?

I realize that for many the initial emotion felt at this sort of news is a vulnerable emotion, and I understand that many lack the emotional strength necessary to accept the vulnerable emotion and therefore hide the vulnerable emotion behind a masking emotion, most often anger in these situations. Moreover, many lack temperance and are thus incapable of handling the masking emotion and react accordingly. Thus, we get a collection of hurt, anxious, helpless fans (vulnerable emotions) reacting with outrage and anger (masking emotions).

To me, those who don't believe this are incredibly naive.

What an odd take. And to write an entire sermon on it. So, let me get this straight, we're all butt hurt fans spewing vitriol who demonstrate our fandom by being outraged?

Maybe it's you who is naive....because apparently you believe that Chris Simms is a legitimate news source, and everyone else, including Hugh Jackson, the head coach of the Browns at the time didn't know what's going on?

Wait, I think I understand, you really are the wise prophet Sun Tzu aren't you? :34853_doh:

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Truth, absolute pile of horse crap. So if we don't believe some rumor thrown out there to get clicks, that makes us Naive. Hilarious. Sorry, but wishing it was true doesn't make it so.

 

[TAB420]

HARD NO.

 

[AgentDib]

It seems odd that those who don't believe this are responding with such vitriol towards the media reporting this and towards the fans who believe that the trade talks occurred. Is this response the result of hurt feelings, belief that being outraged somehow makes you a good fan, confusion that the entire world does not see everything exactly as you do, what is it?

It just seems naive to believe this particular rumor, when if you read the actual quote Simms finishes up by saying Russ is "untradeable now and I think he was even then.” How do you explain that quote? And why is Simms just reporting this now, instead of when it would have actually been news?

However, I can help you follow the bread crumbs you've discovered regarding the Seahawks potentially scouting Josh Allen or other QBs. They've said repeatedly that they scout the QBs every year, regardless of need, in order to self evaluate their own scouting at the most important position in the NFL.

 

[TreeRon]

I had assumed this was pretty common knowledge back in about March/April of 2018. I'm a little shocked that posters in here weren't already aware of this, even more shocking is the outrage some in here are expressing over a report of a potential trade that did not occur over two years ago.

Still no link? If it was so "common knowledge" there's several links somewhere.

 

[Rat]

The truth is usually somewhere in between. Pete and John consider everything. It wouldn’t surprise me if this had legs at some point, but if it did, I doubt it got out of the exploratory stages. Russ is too big of a name for this to not leak if it “almost” happened, and too many people stand to benefit from leaking it.

Wasn’t this shortly before his record deal? Having a quality QB on a rookie contract is the best advantage in football. I wouldn’t blame our front office if they at least thought about whether tying up so much money in one player is the best use of capital in today’s NFL.

 

[Sun Tzu]

It seems odd that those who don't believe this are responding with such vitriol towards the media reporting this and towards the fans who believe that the trade talks occurred. Is this response the result of hurt feelings, belief that being outraged somehow makes you a good fan, confusion that the entire world does not see everything exactly as you do, what is it?

It just seems naive to believe this particular rumor, when if you read the actual quote Simms finishes up by saying Russ is "untradeable now and I think he was even then.” How do you explain that quote? And why is Simms just reporting this now, instead of when it would have actually been news?

However, I can help you follow the bread crumbs you've discovered regarding the Seahawks potentially scouting Josh Allen or other QBs. They've said repeatedly that they scout the QBs every year, regardless of need, in order to self evaluate their own scouting at the most important position in the NFL.

Both good points.
On the first one, I think Simms and Florio realized that Simms had stepped in it. Florio realized it first and threw Simms a floatation device. Simms grabbed on and concluded with the quote you noted. True or not, bringing this up was unprofessional. Sports reporters should, and in my opinion typically do, exercise a little restraint when reporting on trades that were discussed but did not occur, particularly when those discussions are in the rearview and likely to inflame a fan base.

On a side note, I do not believe any player is truly untradable. There is always a price; it is just a matter of whether that price is prohibitive.

On the second, John's reason for being at Allen's pro day is plausible, appeases a key player's camp, and provides a convenient excuse (then, now, and in the future) for being at any QBs pro day while already having a franchise QB on the roster. In my opinion, John is the best in the business, and his handling of this is excellent. John's reason is also very likely true for almost every QB he scouts pre-draft; the only reason we heard about John at Allen's pro day was that Allen was the only player of interest at that particular pro day and a video surfaced of John reacting to something he saw. I cannot help but notice that you offered help following bread crumbs, plural, and only offered up an alternative perspective regarding one of the bread crumbs.

As I stated above, I think it was unprofessional of Simms to bring this up and he should probably do more to back away from what he said. Tim Hasselbeck jumping in with his comments may have unwittingly made it more difficult for Simms to gracefully extricate foot from mouth.

Again, everyone should believe what they want to believe. I am not suggesting anyone believe what I do. I do think posters getting emotional and then reacting with masking emotions rather than reasoned responses derails the possibility for much more interesting discussions that could be had on this and many other topics. Those more interesting discussions are the sort of discussions that I would rather be having and reading on this board.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Again, taking phone calls (which all teams likely do) on a player isn't even in the same ballpark at "Almost Traded"

 

[RCATES]

Yup. Been saying this for years.

 

[BigMeach]

Everyone is welcome to believe what they want of course. It seems odd that those who don't believe this are responding with such vitriol towards the media reporting this and towards the fans who believe that the trade talks occurred. Is this response the result of hurt feelings, belief that being outraged somehow makes you a good fan, confusion that the entire world does not see everything exactly as you do, what is it?

I realize that for many the initial emotion felt at this sort of news is a vulnerable emotion, and I understand that many lack the emotional strength necessary to accept the vulnerable emotion and therefore hide the vulnerable emotion behind a masking emotion, most often anger in these situations. Moreover, many lack temperance and are thus incapable of handling the masking emotion and react accordingly. Thus, we get a collection of hurt, anxious, helpless fans (vulnerable emotions) reacting with outrage and anger (masking emotions).

To me, those who don't believe this are incredibly naive.

You're a disgrace to the namesake.

 

[BigMeach]

Everyone is welcome to believe what they want of course. It seems odd that those who don't believe this are responding with such vitriol towards the media reporting this and towards the fans who believe that the trade talks occurred. Is this response the result of hurt feelings, belief that being outraged somehow makes you a good fan, confusion that the entire world does not see everything exactly as you do, what is it?

I realize that for many the initial emotion felt at this sort of news is a vulnerable emotion, and I understand that many lack the emotional strength necessary to accept the vulnerable emotion and therefore hide the vulnerable emotion behind a masking emotion, most often anger in these situations. Moreover, many lack temperance and are thus incapable of handling the masking emotion and react accordingly. Thus, we get a collection of hurt, anxious, helpless fans (vulnerable emotions) reacting with outrage and anger (masking emotions).

To me, those who don't believe this are incredibly naive.

You're a disgrace to the namesake. Like some guy making knock off fortune cookies when the master moves on.

 

[Sun Tzu]

Everyone is welcome to believe what they want of course. It seems odd that those who don't believe this are responding with such vitriol towards the media reporting this and towards the fans who believe that the trade talks occurred. Is this response the result of hurt feelings, belief that being outraged somehow makes you a good fan, confusion that the entire world does not see everything exactly as you do, what is it?

I realize that for many the initial emotion felt at this sort of news is a vulnerable emotion, and I understand that many lack the emotional strength necessary to accept the vulnerable emotion and therefore hide the vulnerable emotion behind a masking emotion, most often anger in these situations. Moreover, many lack temperance and are thus incapable of handling the masking emotion and react accordingly. Thus, we get a collection of hurt, anxious, helpless fans (vulnerable emotions) reacting with outrage and anger (masking emotions).

To me, those who don't believe this are incredibly naive.

You're a disgrace to the namesake. Like some guy making knock off fortune cookies when the master moves on.

I know myself quite well; and my enemy, wanna be tough guy simpletons who cower behind keyboards, is not so difficult to understand.

Meach - to skulk; to cower

Congratulations, you're a representation of your namesake.