Rice on the worst contract list

[Sarlacc83]

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John Boyle ?@johnpboyle 26s
Pete Carroll said Sidney Rice is in Switzerland/Sweden (he gets those confused too!) for non-surgical procedure. Won't miss time when back.

Curtis Crabtree ?@Curtis_Crabtree 59s
Carroll said the visit to Switzerland for Rice was planned and this is when they could accommodate him.

I only heard the back-end of that during the news conference, so thanks for filling me in. I wonder if he's in Sweden for a good massage...

 

[The Radish]

Its been about a month ago someone posted a video of season highlights of Seahawks games.

Myself and many others were astounded at how frequently Rice was making a huge catch to bail us out of trouble or give us a score at critical times.

It put in perspective how valuable he really is and at the time I said and many agreed he was worth every penny.

Remember not all you .net General Managers are capable of filling the same position on a REAL team.

:roll:

 

[FlyingGreg]

Stupid. It's not Sidney's fault that he gets limited targets in our offense.

Which is exactly what makes it a bad contract. You don't pay someone an AAV of $8M and consume that much of your cap when he's going to get "limited targets." $8M/year for a guy who averages 49 yards receiving per game, in the games that he didn't miss, is a bad deal under any definition.

I disagree. He makes the team better overall, so to me it's worth it. Too much focus on individual stats and not what Sidney Rice brings to the field. At the very least, he eats up primary coverage and opens up opportunities for Robinson and Turbin out of the backfield, Miller and Baldwin.

Unlike most other teams, we don't have to throw it to our #1 WR 15 times a game.

But like I said...he IS making a lot of money.

 

[FlyingGreg]

from the 'enemy' perspective, neither Rice nor Tate scare the defense...

when you game plan against the Hawks, you have to contain Lynch and try and keep Russell in the pocket. The WR / TE positions really don't factor in (unless Harvin is in the game).

Haha did Harbaugh tell you that? You are clueless

really...

@ 49ers:
Obomanu: 50yds
Rice: 32yds
Baldwin: 15yds
Tate: 0yds

@ Seattle:
Baldwin: 53yd 2 TDs
Tate: 27yd
Rice: 14yd
Miller: 15 yds

In both games, Lynch had 100+ yds. Again, not counting Harvin, but no-one else in the SEA receiving corp / TE group scares you. Russell's ability to extend plays allows these guys to get open, but none of these guys are 'ok we absolutely need to game-plan against him' types.

Yes, really. That game was over in the 1st quarter and we didn't have to throw it all over the field, which we never do anyways.

Our defense and special teams were kicking the snot out you which helped skew the gaudy offensive stats.

We'll just hope teams overlook our guys. That's good news.

 

[Scottemojo]

How many of you actually read the article? It was awesome.

Rice is listed as a guy who got a big contract based on a single good year, the good season he had with Favre. How is that not true?

Barnwell was spot on.

 

[mikeak]

^ I read the whole article including the part that states that these are the most overpaid considering the value for the team.

A guy that gets the contract based on one great year but is proving to be very good doesn't really make the list except I think one Carolina player. A guy that gets the huge contract and plays poorly should be on there and the question is if Rice belongs there.

The list wasn't just about players getting a contract based on one good year

 

[Subzero717]

Football stats are stupid.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

How many of you actually read the article? It was awesome.

Rice is listed as a guy who got a big contract based on a single good year, the good season he had with Favre. How is that not true?

Barnwell was spot on.

Yes, I did read it. He fits Rice in the one-year wonder category, but then goes on to explain why Rice isn't that valuable to us here in Seattle.

On that note, I disagree. In context, that Rice signing was huge and has paid dividends even if Rice doesn't have the pure numbers to show it.

We could target him way more and stop running the ball as much. He would get his numbers then. But at that point, isn't that detrimental to the run-first, ball-control game that our team is trying to play?

 

[NFSeahawks]

For this year, he's fine. I will agree that next year is a restructure/release year for rice.

Release? lol

I guess were really banking on Tate performing like last year and Harvin staying healthy for the last 8 years of his career. (All 8, and 0 missed games)

 

[MANUNITED23]

I honestly think Rice will get over 1000 yards receiving this season. However, I believe Tate will have the best season out of WR group.

 

[NFSeahawks]

How many of you actually read the article? It was awesome.

Rice is listed as a guy who got a big contract based on a single good year, the good season he had with Favre. How is that not true?

Barnwell was spot on.

Yes, I did read it. He fits Rice in the one-year wonder category, but then goes on to explain why Rice isn't that valuable to us here in Seattle.

On that note, I disagree. In context, that Rice signing was huge and has paid dividends even if Rice doesn't have the pure numbers to show it.

We could target him way more and stop running the ball as much. He would get his numbers then. But at that point, isn't that detrimental to the run-first, ball-control game that our team is trying to play?

PC and Bevell dreamed up a silly offense with a 60/40 running offensive attack. I will agree passing is more fun but not if it doesn't result in wins. We scored a ton of points at the end of the year, it's one of those things that didn't last long enough to really be downloaded into the minds of Seahawk fans. That being said I hope the offensive outbursts continue to start the season.

 

[NFSeahawks]

I honestly think Rice will get over 1000 yards receiving this season. However, I believe Tate will have the best season out of WR group.

I love Rice as a deep threat but Golden Tate showed an uncanny way to get YAC last year consistently.

I would consider it a pretty big draft win if Tate pans out as a significant threat with our team.

I hated Tate before last year.

 

[conman14]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Sid didn't have any injury problems.

 

[Smelly McUgly]

We wouldn't be having this discussion if Sid didn't have any injury problems.

...but he played all sixteen last year.

We would be having this conversation regardless for anyone that can't contextualize that in this offense, Rice is just not going to get a hundred receptions and 1400+ yards or whatever the metric is for him being "worth" his contract.

 

[Coug_Hawk08]

He is a good receiver that got paid like a great one.

 

[PlinytheCenter]

I think it's time to update the list...

 

[drdiags]

I think it's time to update the list...

To be honest, not sure why he didn't have Harvin on the list before the latest injury news. Talent isn't the issue, the contract just put 3 players on notice for this year and next (Rice, Baldwin and Tate). Plus Miller in my mind. But the team has been churning the WR group since they got here trying to get a certain look that they still haven't found.

 

[SharkHawk]

This is silly because we're going to spend the required percentage of the cap according to the new CBA anyway. Rice's contract hasn't prevented us from getting anybody we want (Harvin, Bennett, Avril, and others this offseason), and he hasn't prevented us from extended anybody that was able to be extended (Kam and Browner's pay bump). So in the big picture, his contract doesn't impact the team one iota. He may be getting paid now a good chunk of what Russ will be making in a few years, but Russ can NOT be extended or bumped up at all, so the point is really lost on people who talk about "bad contracts". Bad contracts prevent you from doing business. Alex Rodriguez isn't even a bad contract, because the Yankees still have every player they want, and haven't had to release anybody.

A bad contract would be Richie Sexson's contract a few years ago. That put the M's in a situation where they couldn't go get a hitter or extend a pitcher. It was just bad. Wasted money that prevented other stuff from taking place. Jim McIllvaine was the ultimate "bad contract" because it prevented Seattle from doing anything. They were stuck with this guaranteed piece of crap. It was a bad idea before, during, and after. It cost them a dynasty. It was idiotic. Motumbo wanted to sign with the Supes and was asking a lot LESS than Jimmy Mac, and Wally Walnut went and signed Flathead. That was bad contract and bad management. We have good management and they work contracts so they expire when somebody else is ready. Look how they used Leroy Hill. Perfect example. He was done, off he went, next man in. No problem.

 

[Cartire]

This is silly because we're going to spend the required percentage of the cap according to the new CBA anyway. Rice's contract hasn't prevented us from getting anybody we want (Harvin, Bennett, Avril, and others this offseason), and he hasn't prevented us from extended anybody that was able to be extended (Kam and Browner's pay bump). So in the big picture, his contract doesn't impact the team one iota. He may be getting paid now a good chunk of what Russ will be making in a few years, but Russ can NOT be extended or bumped up at all, so the point is really lost on people who talk about "bad contracts". Bad contracts prevent you from doing business. Alex Rodriguez isn't even a bad contract, because the Yankees still have every player they want, and haven't had to release anybody.

A bad contract would be Richie Sexson's contract a few years ago. That put the M's in a situation where they couldn't go get a hitter or extend a pitcher. It was just bad. Wasted money that prevented other stuff from taking place. Jim McIllvaine was the ultimate "bad contract" because it prevented Seattle from doing anything. They were stuck with this guaranteed piece of crap. It was a bad idea before, during, and after. It cost them a dynasty. It was idiotic. Motumbo wanted to sign with the Supes and was asking a lot LESS than Jimmy Mac, and Wally Walnut went and signed Flathead. That was bad contract and bad management. We have good management and they work contracts so they expire when somebody else is ready. Look how they used Leroy Hill. Perfect example. He was done, off he went, next man in. No problem.

Except with Harvins contract in 2014, gonna be crazy high.

You want the back 4, or do you want rice?

If Harvin comes back this year and plays like he should, they wont dump Harvin.

Tate isnt going to sign a contract the size of Rice's. They wont pay that much.

LOB, or Rice.

Book it. Rice is a restructure or a release.

 

[PlinytheCenter]

"Bad Contracts" is subjective. Paying a given player more than any other on the roster not to play is what I would term a bad contract. Especially when the other said players are busting their collective asses to make something happen for the league minimum, a rookie contract, or short-term "prove it" deals. Personally, I think we got jobbed. The very good news is, we have a more than capable receiving core ready to pick up the slack.