Rice on the worst contract list

[onanygivensunday]

when you game plan against the Hawks,... and try and keep Russell in the pocket.

You're showing your ignorance, NB.

Wilson had better stats INSIDE the pocket.

Read here and educate yourself. Wilson threw 22 of his 27 TDs from inside the pocket and had a higher completion % and yds/attempt.

 

[Happypuppy]

He could catch 100 passes a year if we passed to him often. We don't. We are a run first team.

 

[hawker84]

from the 'enemy' perspective, neither Rice nor Tate scare the defense...

when you game plan against the Hawks, you have to contain Lynch and try and keep Russell in the pocket. The WR / TE positions really don't factor in (unless Harvin is in the game).

This is just a silly post, and i know you post over at the WEB, where it's been talked about over and over again, how Wilsons numbers were better in the pocket than outside the pocket.. yet here you are with the same old tired post.. Please let your coaches feel the same way.. please focus on Lynch. because that worked so well for ATL and NE, and your team..lol

 

[Basis4day]

from the 'enemy' perspective, neither Rice nor Tate scare the defense...

when you game plan against the Hawks, you have to contain Lynch and try and keep Russell in the pocket. The WR / TE positions really don't factor in (unless Harvin is in the game).

Anyone left open should scare an opponent of the Hawks. In the ATL game the Falcons committed themselves to keeping Wilson in the pocket, which led to Zach Miller having his best game as a Hawks going 8/9 with 142 yds and a TD AND playing on a torn planta fasica.

 

[sc85sis]

from the 'enemy' perspective, neither Rice nor Tate scare the defense...

when you game plan against the Hawks, you have to contain Lynch and try and keep Russell in the pocket. The WR / TE positions really don't factor in (unless Harvin is in the game).

Haha did Harbaugh tell you that? You are clueless

really...

@ 49ers:
Obomanu: 50yds
Rice: 32yds
Baldwin: 15yds
Tate: 0yds

@ Seattle:
Baldwin: 53yd 2 TDs
Tate: 27yd
Rice: 14yd
Miller: 15 yds

In both games, Lynch had 100+ yds. Again, not counting Harvin, but no-one else in the SEA receiving corp / TE group scares you. Russell's ability to extend plays allows these guys to get open, but none of these guys are 'ok we absolutely need to game-plan against him' types.

No, you probably don't have to game plan against any one of our WR. You have to game plan against all of them. The stats you show above demonstrate that quite well. And ultimately that makes us dangerous because you can't just take one guy out and be done.

 

[NinerBuff]

This is just a silly post, and i know you post over at the WEB, where it's been talked about over and over again, how Wilsons numbers were better in the pocket than outside the pocket.. yet here you are with the same old tired post.. Please let your coaches feel the same way.. please focus on Lynch. because that worked so well for ATL and NE, and your team..lol

Anyone left open should scare an opponent of the Hawks. In the ATL game the Falcons committed themselves to keeping Wilson in the pocket, which led to Zach Miller having his best game as a Hawks going 8/9 with 142 yds and a TD AND playing on a torn planta fasica.

You're showing your ignorance, NB.

Wilson had better stats INSIDE the pocket.

By no means am I insinuating that Russell is bad from the pocket (or even average), but the real back-breakers are the plays were he scrambles around in the backfield and either picks up the first down or throws. I've seen numerous stats that suggest that Russell was one of the best QBs in the league, and rightfully so. The 49ers secondary had a statistically good year in terms of yardage, up until the playoffs. The problem for them was certain 3rd and long situations where the opposing QB would extend the play and pick up the first down.

In terms of Miller, he had a great game against the Falcons, who were really bad against TEs all year. But we match up well against TEs and played well against TEs all year (minus Pitta in the SB).

And I am not in the minority when it comes to the opinion of the 'skill positions' for SEA... they are average at best. Harvin's a game-changer, but obviously health will be a concern.

 

[mikeak]

Barnwell didn't look at the Rice contract in context, which is pretty much par for the course with Barnwell and why I don't take him too seriously on some things. As someone that sometimes leans on raw numbers out of context too much in order to make my evaluations, Barnwell is the Godfather of doing that.

So out of context, he has a point. In context, it gave us a true #1WR threat that helped Golden Tate to grow into a true #2WR threat and it gives us a guy who can make huge catches downfield and on the sidelines. The guy is a master of two feet/one knee on the sidelines. Just great body control and awareness. It's not his fault that the stats don't reflect that because Seattle runs the ball more than any other team in the league.

I agree 100% with this post. The issue I have with Barnwell's article is not looking at the context of the contract yet looking at the full contract. You have to look at when it was signed and the value over time. Rice gave the Seahawks a legit number 1 receiver.

Now to address 49ers state about Tate. You can't look at 2 games against hte 49ers and then draw a conclusion. The first game against 49ers was IMHO Tate's worst game where he and some other guys dropped some crucial balls in the first half. That changed the whole game and looks different on the sheet than what it does over the course of the seasons.

If Harvin is healthy next year then I would rather have Tate on a medium contract and Rice out / restructured to allow us to resign Sherman and then RW year after that. It is one piece of a bigger puzzel so will be interesting to see how it is handled

 

[NorthDallas40oz]

Stupid. It's not Sidney's fault that he gets limited targets in our offense.

Which is exactly what makes it a bad contract. You don't pay someone an AAV of $8M and consume that much of your cap when he's going to get "limited targets." $8M/year for a guy who averages 49 yards receiving per game, in the games that he didn't miss, is a bad deal under any definition.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

And for you Niners fans, you're welcome on the help showing you how to expose the Falcons with a great Tight End.

 

[mikeak]

And I am not in the minority when it comes to the opinion of the 'skill positions' for SEA... they are average at best. Harvin's a game-changer, but obviously health will be a concern.

I BELIEVE (no fact - a belief from watching the team) that this is a different team this year based on last year.

RW came in to starting camp as the third qb. He didn't get the reps and he was a rookie. By the time he was handed the playbook (second half) it was something he could build on but in no way shape or form was everything there.

Considering off-season camp and training camps etc I think we will see RW click with every receiver differently. He will go through all the reads when needed and come back to a read looked over when given / buying time. He will have corrected the slight tendency to overthrow at times. Tate will be on the same page and so will the other receivers.

I think part of the disagreement is as simple as many seahawks fan is basing their discussion on what we saw last year and many 49er fans are pulling two games out and saying - see this is what we mean. Only the games this year will tell but I expect you to be wrong

Either way when you are a run first team then you pay a premium for the WR in context of stats. They don't get thrown to as much and this impacts their numbers BUT when they get thrown to they have to catch the balls within their reach as it is frequently 3rd down.........

 

[NinerBuff]

And for you Niners fans, you're welcome on the help showing you how to expose the Falcons with a great Tight End.

Much obliged!

 

[drdiags]

Rice in Switzerland for some type of Knee exam. Supposedly will not be missing pre-season games but this cannot be minimal. Time to start freaking out in 3 .. 2 .. 1...

 

[Smelly McUgly]

Stupid. It's not Sidney's fault that he gets limited targets in our offense.

Which is exactly what makes it a bad contract. You don't pay someone an AAV of $8M and consume that much of your cap when he's going to get "limited targets." $8M/year for a guy who averages 49 yards receiving per game, in the games that he didn't miss, is a bad deal under any definition.

You do when it's that or start Golden Tate at the X when he hasn't shown any consistency whatsoever in his short career.

 

[NinerBuff]

And I am not in the minority when it comes to the opinion of the 'skill positions' for SEA... they are average at best. Harvin's a game-changer, but obviously health will be a concern.

I BELIEVE (no fact - a belief from watching the team) that this is a different team this year based on last year.

RW came in to starting camp as the third qb. He didn't get the reps and he was a rookie. By the time he was handed the playbook (second half) it was something he could build on but in no way shape or form was everything there.

Considering off-season camp and training camps etc I think we will see RW click with every receiver differently. He will go through all the reads when needed and come back to a read looked over when given / buying time. He will have corrected the slight tendency to overthrow at times. Tate will be on the same page and so will the other receivers.

I think part of the disagreement is as simple as many seahawks fan is basing their discussion on what we saw last year and many 49er fans are pulling two games out and saying - see this is what we mean. Only the games this year will tell but I expect you to be wrong

Either way when you are a run first team then you pay a premium for the WR in context of stats. They don't get thrown to as much and this impacts their numbers BUT when they get thrown to they have to catch the balls within their reach as it is frequently 3rd down.........

I watched 4 SEA games last year: 2x vs. 49ers, vs. Bills, and vs. Packers, as well as numerous highlights. I don't pretend to be an expert on your team, all I'm saying is from an enemy fan's perspective, the WR / TE positions aren't nearly as much of an issue as the the RB (Ill include Turbin and Michael here) and obviously Russell.

 

[drdiags]

More on Rice

John Boyle ?@johnpboyle 26s
Pete Carroll said Sidney Rice is in Switzerland/Sweden (he gets those confused too!) for non-surgical procedure. Won't miss time when back.

Curtis Crabtree ?@Curtis_Crabtree 59s
Carroll said the visit to Switzerland for Rice was planned and this is when they could accommodate him.

 

[mikeak]

Stupid. It's not Sidney's fault that he gets limited targets in our offense.

Which is exactly what makes it a bad contract. You don't pay someone an AAV of $8M and consume that much of your cap when he's going to get "limited targets." $8M/year for a guy who averages 49 yards receiving per game, in the games that he didn't miss, is a bad deal under any definition.

Depends. Do you need a reliable target that will catch the ball? Do you want nobodys as WR allowing the opponents to stack the box more?

You buy something with that money that helps your overall game.

Rice in Switzerland for some type of Knee exam. Supposedly will not be missing pre-season games but this cannot be minimal. Time to start freaking out in 3 .. 2 .. 1...

The only reason I know for why people go to Switzerland related to knees is to take their blood out spin it around and put it back in or something like it. Worked great for Kobe but Bynum can't go bowling without being SOL.

This does concern me big time. They have the same MRI machines here as in Switzerland.....

 

[hawker84]

I watched 4 SEA games last year: 2x vs. 49ers, vs. Bills, and vs. Packers, as well as numerous highlights. I don't pretend to be an expert on your team, all I'm saying is from an enemy fan's perspective, the WR / TE positions aren't nearly as much of an issue as the the RB (Ill include Turbin and Michael here) and obviously Russell.

that's because lynch got all the press and rightfully so, nobody even knew who tate was until the GB game.. They got lost in the shadows and quietly put up good performance after good performance.. Which is why everyone outside of Seattle labels them "average at best" having watched these recievers for the last 2, 3 seasons, i can tell you, as a group they are as dangerous as any team, but you'll never see that or acknowledge that because they don't put up 100+ catches and a 1000 yrds.. Neither will a healthy Harvin in this system.. but have your theory, as wrong as it is.

 

[-The Glove-]

Maybe Rice is there for the cheese?

 

[NinerBuff]

I watched 4 SEA games last year: 2x vs. 49ers, vs. Bills, and vs. Packers, as well as numerous highlights. I don't pretend to be an expert on your team, all I'm saying is from an enemy fan's perspective, the WR / TE positions aren't nearly as much of an issue as the the RB (Ill include Turbin and Michael here) and obviously Russell.

that's because lynch got all the press and rightfully so, nobody even knew who tate was until the GB game.. They got lost in the shadows and quietly put up good performance after good performance.. Which is why everyone outside of Seattle labels them "average at best" having watched these recievers for the last 2, 3 seasons, i can tell you, as a group they are as dangerous as any team, but you'll never see that or acknowledge that because they don't put up 100+ catches and a 1000 yrds.. Neither will a healthy Harvin in this system.. but have your theory, as wrong as it is.

fair enough, until proven otherwise, I contend that the SEA WR/TE group remains average (if Harvin is included, they obviously take a big jump). FWIW, it's not a prerequisite for winning football.

 

[mikeak]

^ True

I don't think each one by themselves are elite - I think their strenght comes in lack of weakness and ability to catch the ball. Not saying there are 4 probowl WRs but look at Fitz stats last year..... you can be the best in the game but until you have a good qb that gets on the same page as you it won't show.

So we should revisit this thread at mid-season

Looks like the seahawks fan consensus is that Rice is getting maybe a lot of money but he was needed and is needed but next year may be a different story.