Remember when we had a great defense?

[IndyHawk]

I do and I also recall back then about half the board pissing
and moaning about how much we spent on keeping it.
We spent the least on OL while trying to maintain everything
else.
Again more pissing and moaning about that for years.
These days they have been spending to try to have a decent OL
while spending the least on defense and more on offense.
Now those same ones will complain that we need to spend more
on D because it hurts the offense somehow.
Russ is even saying get me a couple superstars for the D but he's
not offering any kind of help that I see.
The thing is once you pay 7 players that take up over half the cap
it's going to hurt and be difficult to have a balance.
I've been looking at the cap sites to understand why some things
look ugly and why we cannot just spend for superstars :roll:
See for yourselves https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/cap/

 

[FlyingGreg]

Not just the highest seven players... you pay one franchise QB roughly 1/5 of your TOTAL cap allocation.

The only way to make it work is with excellent drafting. That hasn't been the case...at all. People get butt hurt about that reality and fan boy gang up to defend Pete and John, but the truth is we replaced elite level talent with fringe roster players who by and large have not made the kind of impacts we needed them to (in many spots).

They have drafted ok at times, but certainly not enough to build a legitimate Super Bowl contender. There are reasons why this team hasn't been to the NFC Championship game for five straight seasons.

Now -- I think they took a step in the right direction with the 2019 draft class. I am very bearish on Collier (an absolute disappearing act), but Metcalf looks like a budding star. Blair has great potential if he can really learn the D, and I like Barton's upside. Haynes didn't get much of a chance to show anything, so the book is open for him. Amadi looks like a play maker, Burr-Kirven's ceiling is probably core special teamer, and Homer impressed me, too. Then you have Ursua, who should have a lot more opportunity this year. And the staff seems pretty high on Christmas, who missed the whole season.

Jennings ended up being a terrible pick - he didn't even make the team after the Seahawks used a 4th rounder on him. Ouch.

It's not just the Seahawks: teams with huge QB contracts have not been very successful in the playoffs:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ad-zero-nfl-playoff-success-over-past-decade/

"If you give all your money to your quarterback, there's not enough to go around for everyone else, which makes it pretty difficult to build a championship contending team"

 

[Cyrus12]

But in the end cant pay them all...that is why it is so important to build through the draft and be very cautious about giving out second or 3rd contracts.

 

[IndyHawk]

Well Greg I do get the QB overpay part but I always get accused of Russ bashing so
I put the 7 total equals over half of cap.I even put the site for people to see things a
little better.I think we can win despite paying Russ over 15% but at some point he
should do what he can to help our cap because we can't just get superstars like
some think.
Right now before Simmons we had about 7-8 million and that is after money for draft
picks.I believe they want to keep Britt and restructure his deal.
People like John for example have to look at everything,signing this star and that isn't
always doable.BTW on that cap link in my OP you can look at following years hits by
any player..I find it interesting as it also lists dead cap if you cut any player.RW this year
if cut has a $72 million dead hit. :irishdrinkers:

 

[HawkFan72]

I remember. Good times.

 

[hawks85]

Well Greg I do get the QB overpay part but I always get accused of Russ bashing so
I put the 7 total equals over half of cap.I even put the site for people to see things a
little better.I think we can win despite paying Russ over 15% but at some point he
should do what he can to help our cap because we can't just get superstars like
some think.
Right now before Simmons we had about 7-8 million and that is after money for draft
picks.I believe they want to keep Britt and restructure his deal.
People like John for example have to look at everything,signing this star and that isn't
always doable.BTW on that cap link in my OP you can look at following years hits by
any player..I find it interesting as it also lists dead cap if you cut any player.RW this year
if cut has a $72 million dead hit. :irishdrinkers:

I'm not familiar with the cap money stuff. 72mil dead hit? what does that mean? Is that good or bad.

 

[IndyHawk]

Well Greg I do get the QB overpay part but I always get accused of Russ bashing so
I put the 7 total equals over half of cap.I even put the site for people to see things a
little better.I think we can win despite paying Russ over 15% but at some point he
should do what he can to help our cap because we can't just get superstars like
some think.
Right now before Simmons we had about 7-8 million and that is after money for draft
picks.I believe they want to keep Britt and restructure his deal.
People like John for example have to look at everything,signing this star and that isn't
always doable.BTW on that cap link in my OP you can look at following years hits by
any player..I find it interesting as it also lists dead cap if you cut any player.RW this year
if cut has a $72 million dead hit. :irishdrinkers:

I'm not familiar with the cap money stuff. 72mil dead hit? what does that mean? Is that good or bad.

Dead cap is the hit on the total cap of that year if player is cut.
So yeah 72 out of 199 is an insane hit which would never happen. :lol:

 

[thegameq]

That defense was such an anomaly that I don't think we will see that again from the Seahawks.

Seahawks are playing the same game as the majority of the teams in the league; roll the dice in the draft and get lucky enough to build a highly talented rosters, with a few diamonds here and there--IF the draft goes your way.

The whole build through the draft--get lucky, fail or at least tread water mantra sucks.

Pete and company are going to have to out coach and out scheme their opponents (Xs and Os).

We really have become the Packers....great quarterback that gives you a chance. But the team is ultimately held back by the shortcomings of the rest of the roster.

Sigh.

OT: funny that as much as I miss football, I don't miss it as much as I thought I would. Preoccupied with the current state of things in NY and so forth I guess.....be safe everyone and Happy Easter.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think that defense is what Pete and John are trying to build again, or at least the attitude and effort of those great Hawk defenses.

Dogs, and I used that term affectionately. Irvin, Diggs, Mayowa, Dunbar...............all dogs. Intimidating bullies.

The talent level will never be to the level of those early defenses, but it IS what John and Pete are trying to get back to as far as the bully factor.

 

[thegameq]

I think that defense is what Pete and John are trying to build again, or at least the attitude and effort of those great Hawk defenses.

Dogs, and I used that term affectionately. Irvin, Diggs, Mayowa, Dunbar...............all dogs. Intimidating bullies.

The talent level will never be to the level of those early defenses, but it IS what John and Pete are trying to get back to as far as the bully factor.

That's going to be very difficult considering many teams are using "that" defense as a template for their own team. How many times have we heard comparisons to Sherman, Earl and Kam? Everyone is looking for their version of the LOB--or at least one part of it (Earl Thomas).

I'm surprised Pete hasn't tried to convert any of the LB 2s or 3s to that Kam role.

 

[Seanhawk]

OT: funny that as much as I miss football, I don't miss it as much as I thought I would. Preoccupied with the current state of things in NY and so forth I guess.....be safe everyone and Happy Easter.

What are you missing? Free agency and the draft are going on as scheduled, albeit in slightly different forms.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think that defense is what Pete and John are trying to build again, or at least the attitude and effort of those great Hawk defenses.

Dogs, and I used that term affectionately. Irvin, Diggs, Mayowa, Dunbar...............all dogs. Intimidating bullies.

The talent level will never be to the level of those early defenses, but it IS what John and Pete are trying to get back to as far as the bully factor.

That's going to be very difficult considering many teams are using "that" defense as a template for their own team. How many times have we heard comparisons to Sherman, Earl and Kam? Everyone is looking for their version of the LOB--or at least one part of it (Earl Thomas).

I'm surprised Pete hasn't tried to convert any of the LB 2s or 3s to that Kam role.

Yep, and unfortunately the teams in our own division are right how ahead of us and doing a better job of building nasty defenses.

But like us, SF and the Rams had the benefit of drafting high for a while, so we'll see if they can maintain.

But it works, especially the attitude and nasty part, so if Pete wants to continue to play Pete-ball, he's going to have to get as close as he can to those styles of punishing aggressive defenses if he wants to get back to a SB.

 

[thegameq]

OT: funny that as much as I miss football, I don't miss it as much as I thought I would. Preoccupied with the current state of things in NY and so forth I guess.....be safe everyone and Happy Easter.

What are you missing? Free agency and the draft are going on as scheduled, albeit in slightly different forms.

Just the hype and excitement. The pandemic has cast such a pall over everything. It was fun downloading the latest custom rosters for Madden that included the latest additions and subtractions from free agency and the draft. Then see how it would play out in the game--sh@%ts and giggles. It was part of the routine this time of year.

Interesting to see how much of an audience the draft is going to draw in these times.

 

[Mad Dog]

I'm surprised Pete hasn't tried to convert any of the LB 2s or 3s to that Kam role.

The Kam role has been almost mandated out of the league with the 2 hand touch rules. Virtually all of Kam's best hits would be flagged these days.

Great defenses rush the QB and ball hawk on the back end because you can't touch receivers these days.

 

[chris98251]

I'm surprised Pete hasn't tried to convert any of the LB 2s or 3s to that Kam role.

The Kam role has been almost mandated out of the league with the 2 hand touch rules. Virtually all of Kam's best hits would be flagged these days.

Great defenses rush the QB and ball hawk on the back end because you can't touch receivers these days.

Why you have that guy, expect a 15 yarder once or twice a game, rules or not, if you have someone or multiples still willing to defend the middle the WR's and RB's will know it's a no fly zone, a few games like that and they are looking more and getting short arms when they play us.

You can still lay wood, just have to use a shoulder and run through them and wrap.

 

[rjdriver]

1992? I sure remember.

Cortez and Eugene were monsters. We finished 2-14 and had one of the most abysmal offenses in history.

This team is much better.

 

[xray]

LOB...Bennett...Avril...Wagner...etc...be lucky to see the Hawks put together a defense like that again .

 

[SoulfishHawk]

This ^
And to expect that LOB level again would be a big ask really. They were an all time great defense imo.

 

[Subzero717]

Not just the highest seven players... you pay one franchise QB roughly 1/5 of your TOTAL cap allocation.

The only way to make it work is with excellent drafting. That hasn't been the case...at all. People get butt hurt about that reality and fan boy gang up to defend Pete and John, but the truth is we replaced elite level talent with fringe roster players who by and large have not made the kind of impacts we needed them to (in many spots).

They have drafted ok at times, but certainly not enough to build a legitimate Super Bowl contender. There are reasons why this team hasn't been to the NFC Championship game for five straight seasons.

Now -- I think they took a step in the right direction with the 2019 draft class. I am very bearish on Collier (an absolute disappearing act), but Metcalf looks like a budding star. Blair has great potential if he can really learn the D, and I like Barton's upside. Haynes didn't get much of a chance to show anything, so the book is open for him. Amadi looks like a play maker, Burr-Kirven's ceiling is probably core special teamer, and Homer impressed me, too. Then you have Ursua, who should have a lot more opportunity this year. And the staff seems pretty high on Christmas, who missed the whole season.

Jennings ended up being a terrible pick - he didn't even make the team after the Seahawks used a 4th rounder on him. Ouch.

It's not just the Seahawks: teams with huge QB contracts have not been very successful in the playoffs:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/...ad-zero-nfl-playoff-success-over-past-decade/

"If you give all your money to your quarterback, there's not enough to go around for everyone else, which makes it pretty difficult to build a championship contending team"

100% correct.

I will add to that with an even more unpopular opinion. Paying a MLB close to 20 mill a year is dumb. Really dumb. Bobby at this point is a probably still a top 5 MLB in the league but MLB just dont have that type of impact to warrant anywhere near that money.

 

[mrblitz]

one thing with finding 'the next kam' is pattern recognition. during the snap count, kam could identify what an offense were doing, and get that info to his own teammates on the fly. imo. ymmv.