Re: KJ Wright Signs 4 year extension UPDATED WITH BREAKDOWN

[MidwestHawker]

I think this also means they think Marsh can take Avril's spot.

I hope so. Marsh had my heart forever when it was reported that he was watching The Last Samurai with his pitbull instead of draft coverage when he was drafted.

Marsh is years away from being the DE that Avril is.

Relax people, there is still plenty of cap space to sign both Avril and Wagner. All this does is keep one of the important pieces of a very good defense in tact. If you don't think Wright is an important part of this defense? Well then I can't help you and we have to part ways on the crazy train.

You quoted me, but I'm not sour on this deal at all. I'm just really happy that we have a young player who watches action movies with his pitbull while his entire future hangs in the balance.

 

[bigcc]

Lol@ People using his play at MLB as a reason for him being overpaid.

That's like saying if earl got hurt and we slid Maxwell to the left side and sherman to FS for a couple games he should do just as well since he's in the secondary...... The 3 Linebacker spots were not built equally, KJ is 100% worth this price assuming its structured even remotely reasonably.

You guys realize he won't even be 30 when this deal is done right?

 

[Basis4day]

Yeah, I got a little too excited with that post. He's looked below-average without Bobby the past few years, IMO.

Past few years? Wagner has only missed 2 regular season games prior to this season.

Last year and this year.

So other than this year where he played out of position at MIKE you think KJ looked below average last year against the AZ Cardinals where he got 6 solo tackles (Which appear to be his highest in 2013) and half a sack in a blowout and the Titans where he combined for 7 tackles in a 20-13 win (With one Tenn TD coming on special teams)?

 

[Sgt. Largent]

I think this also means they think Marsh can take Avril's spot.

I hope so. Marsh had my heart forever when it was reported that he was watching The Last Samurai with his pitbull instead of draft coverage when he was drafted.

Marsh is years away from being the DE that Avril is.

Relax people, there is still plenty of cap space to sign both Avril and Wagner. All this does is keep one of the important pieces of a very good defense in tact. If you don't think Wright is an important part of this defense? Well then I can't help you and we have to part ways on the crazy train.

A few weeks ago you called one of my posts "worst of the day" for hypothesizing Simon will start over Maxwell. You said he was a "few years away".

Is this like that? Because that was awesome.

Your revisionist history is adorable.

I said Maxwell will start once he comes back and that Simon is a few years away from being on par with Maxwell's game right now.........which is why Maxwell is now back and taken over the slot, because Simon can't do that, and Maxwell can do both.

Simon is outside because he doesn't have the skills yet to play inside, and Maxwell does. Doesn't mean Simon is just as good as Maxwell outside, which is what you were saying.

 

[pehawk]

If you're going to call someone out folks, this is how you do it. Pay attention folks, especially you RunTheBall.

Textbook.

I wasn't trying to call him out, merely clarifying for Marsh's sake. I mean it was "crazy" for me to suggest Tharold Simon would take Maxwell's CB spot. I mean Tharold was "a few years away" after the Rams game, and look what happened!? Using my Sgt Largent time conversion table, that makes Marsh ready now.

 

[hawks4thewin]

I would just like to point out that TWICE when wags went down KJ was there.. KJ can play all linebacker positions with very VERY little drop off. also I would like to mention our defense got better with bobby yes, but ALSO we had Tharod simon AND Jeremy lane both come back at the same time. that changes things for our 65% Nickel ran defense.. Or whatever those numbers are.... .KJ is good worth whatever pete and john decide is best to pay him.. that's how I see it..

 

[Sgt. Largent]

We need some agreed upon rules;

1) If you question it, at all, you're a negative nancy and think KJ sucks

2) Bark at the negative nancy's using vague phrases like "you don't want us to keep the best defense in football intact?"

Are those the rules, ladies?

Keeps it simple doesn't it?

I did drag once, called myself Nancy, you can put me down for her.

You can certainly question moves, we all do it. But have some intelligent reasons, other than "OMG TOO MUCH MONIES!"

 

[raisethe3]

Very nice. The guy has been very good here. Like most said, Wagner and Wilson are our important players. Just need to find out what deals they will be signing this off-season.

 

[pehawk]

Your revisionist history is adorable.

I said Maxwell will start once he comes back and that Simon is a few years away from being on par with Maxwell's game right now.........which is why Maxwell is now back and taken over the slot, because Simon can't do that, and Maxwell can do both.

Simon is outside because he doesn't have the skills yet to play inside, and Maxwell does. Doesn't mean Simon is just as good as Maxwell outside, which is what you were saying.

Actually no, you posted a picture of a horses ass and said it was crazy and Simon is "nowhere near Maxwell's level". And the always right "a few years away".

But, I'm just glad you said that about Marsh. Means he'll do just fine! You're spot on with your misses and hyperbole.

 

[pehawk]

We need some agreed upon rules;

1) If you question it, at all, you're a negative nancy and think KJ sucks

2) Bark at the negative nancy's using vague phrases like "you don't want us to keep the best defense in football intact?"

Are those the rules, ladies?

Keeps it simple doesn't it?

I did drag once, called myself Nancy, you can put me down for her.

You can certainly question moves, we all do it. But have some intelligent reasons, other than "OMG TOO MUCH MONIES!"

No one actually said that. We actually all laid out reasons why we questioned it. Keep up.

 

[AgentDib]

I'm surprised by this too. The news is raising my opinion of KJ rather than lowering my opinion of the FO.

Reading between the lines I think a big part of this is that he is one of their guys. Good locker room chemistry, works hard to compete at multiple positions, plays special teams, does everything the coaching staff asks of him, etc. Typically I have not liked it when FOs pay for attitude or effort over talent, but a lot of Carroll's success has come from getting everybody to buy in and having a few carrots like this out there does provide strong incentives to everybody else. It may help if you think of this as $16m contract and then $11m worth of incentives for CMike, KPL, Maxwell, Simon, Willson, etc.

 

[bigcc]

What makes you say Simon is a few years away? The guy was forced into a starting role right after injury, in his 2nd season where he missed the first 7 games.

Maxwell had 2 healthy years in the NFL before he started, and Simon is progressing each week, It wouldn't surprise me if he's the superior outside corner by the end of THIS season, let alone after another offseason/TC.

 

[pehawk]

I'm surprised by this too. The news is raising my opinion of KJ rather than lowering my opinion of the FO.

Reading between the lines I think a big part of this is that he is one of their guys. Good locker room chemistry, works hard to compete at multiple positions, plays special teams, does everything the coaching staff asks of him, etc. Typically I have not liked it when FOs pay for attitude or effort over talent, but a lot of Carroll's success has come from getting everybody to buy in and having a few carrots like this out there does provide strong incentives to everybody else. It may help if you think of this as $16m contract and then $11m worth of incentives for CMike, KPL, Maxwell, Simon, Willson, etc.

Good post.

 

[Largent80]

Largent wasn't a sargeant. He was a House Representative.

Enough said.

 

[DavidSeven]

I don't agree that KJ is the most burnable LB. He's gotten killed on a couple wheel routes and obviously by Gates, but I'd hard-pressed to find a number of other instances where he was straight up burned in coverage. In fact, I might even wager that Wagner has been burned in more individual instances. However, Wagner comes up with more flash plays in the run game and as a blizter, so I think people overlook it a bit (which is fair). That being said, the fact that Wright almost always gets the assignment on TE1 in man-situations speaks volumes on what the staff thinks of his ability to cover relative to other players.

 

[pehawk]

I don't agree that KJ is the most burnable LB. He's gotten killed on a couple wheel routes and obviously by Gates, but I'd hard-pressed to find a number of other instances where he was straight up burned in coverage. In fact, I might even wager that Wagner has been burned in more individual instances. However, Wagner comes up with more flash plays in the run game and as a blizter, so I think people overlook it a bit (which is fair). That being said, the fact that Wright almost always gets the assignment on TE1 in man-situations speaks volumes on what the staff thinks of his ability to cover relative to other players.

I don't think anyone, or at least me, disagrees with anything you said. I don't hold the Philly TD against him, shit happens. But, IMO, speedy LB's are fairly easy to replace. And of the 3 LB's, or even core front 7, KJ is the most the one who impacts things the least.

Dib's point was brilliant. I actually am now more intrigued and willing to change my stance on KJ because of this. I trust the regime that much.

 

[Bprez3]

I think that this is a great signing by the team. Spiderman is one of "our" guys a core player on Defense. Reading what his coaches say about him leads me to believe in a short period of time this deal will be a bargain. Especially with the cap number increasing.

“To get another big part of this defense for a long time, it says volumes,” Quinn said. “And K.J. is such a valuable guy with all the stuff that he does, not just where he plays more than one spot. But it’s his speed, it’s his length, it’s his playmaking. He is quietly one of the most respected guys on this team just by the way he goes about his work.”

“K.J. is a product of our environment, our organization,” Norton said. “You have to take your hat off to the people that make those decisions that they’ve taken care of one of our own – a guy they made and created and developed.”

http://www.seahawks.com/news/articles/a ... c483252cc5

 

[Largent80]

Evidently, we are all idiots if we have an opinion other than people that idolize the F.O. or our out of the mainstream way of thinking.

Whatever. My eyes see what they see. We all will hopefully see him continue his RECENT play, and not the first half of the season play.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

No one actually said that. We actually all laid out reasons why we questioned it. Keep up.

Let's see, your reasons on this thread were;

1. Why?
2. Negative Impact without Wagner (whatever that means)
3. Not good without Wagner (not true)
4. Below average
5. KPL is just as good (have no idea how you came to that conclusion, dude played in like 5 games, mostly on sp. teams)
6. Do we want two good DT's instead? (wat)

Then you devolved into personal attacks and conjecture. So yeah, awesome breakdown using stats and leaguewide comparisons to prove that we over spent.

Btw, it's "LOL of the Day"

 

[pehawk]

You never clarified your comment to be specific to "pehawk is saying". You generalized and looked for an easy route to speak as an authority and argue.

I'm sorry if you couldn't follow my logic. I don't use stats, generally speaking. Stats are abused as crutches for the ignorant in most instances.

I never personally attacked you. I was generally excited because if you think Marsh is "a few years away":, that means he's good to go, now.