Pandion Haliaetus
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If the Seahawks sign Tarvaris Jackson, Seahawks theoretically only would have traded a 2013 1st rounder + 2014 3rd rounder for Percy Harvin.
Jackson was signed as a free agent from the Vikings (2 yrs, 8 mil), traded to Buffalo in 2012 pre-season for a 7th round pick, that 7th round pick was then traded to the Vikings as part of the Harvin deal.
I know the Seahawks don't recuperate the talent lost in the 7th round pick but the Seahawks had 4 7th round choices in the 2013 draft entering a season where most of the roster would be set from existing players before the draft.
The original talent was Jackson and he is a quality backup QB in this league. His trade was almost necessary if not necessary altogether, the Seahawks needed to dismantle T-Jack's support group in order from Wilson to fully establish control of this team (something that took almost half a season to achieve) and any savings gained helped off-set Flynn's contract.
Getting Jackson back now would be a great move after the necessary excursion ... most likely he'll be cheap, he already knows the system, he already knows the players including new additions like Harvin, Winfield, and Cliff Avril. Jackson also wouldn’t sign a contract unless he knows that he’ll have to compete with Brady Quinn merely as Wilson’s support group rather than competing for a substantial role. However, I wouldn’t scratch off the Scouting Team as wholly unimportant, there is value, and Tarvaris Jackson has quality value to this team.
Again, Jackson’s value comes from his departure to allow Wilson or Flynn to thrive, as well as a small savings if any towards the cap, and the Seahawks obtaining a 7th round pick for a player that was scheduled to become a free agent in 2013.
Meaning the Seahawks could have traded Jackson and just as well pursued his services in 2013. But if the Seahawks had signed Tarvaris Jackson I’m sure it would have diminished a lot of what little value the Seahawks got in return from Flynn. Jackson was retained by the Bills over Fitzpatrick and Thigpen (Buffalo’s 1 and 2 QBs on the DC in 2012) and Seahawks most likely opted out on not pursuing Tarvaris Jackson again to sort of upsell Flynn to the rest of the league.
The moment Jackson becomes a free agent, Seahawks are one of the first teams to come knocking on his door, establishing that Jackson in the least has a consideration of value and the Seahawks know this. Simply, the Seahawks know what they have in Tarvaris on a team that had less support. The Seahawks don’t know what they have in Quinn nor Johnson under a critical microscope. So getting back Jackson after trading his services for a 7th round pick is a win for the Seahawks.
In establishing that value for the audience I can reassess the central idea of this thread about Percy Harvin. In that if the Seahawks sign Jackson its almost as getting Percy Harvin for only a 2013 1st round pick (25th overall) and a 2014 3rd round pick (TBD, however, it is commonly known that a future pick is always valued at a round less in the current year i.e giving up a 2014 2nd rounder would only net you a 2013 3rd Rounder. Another example would have been the Broncos giving up their 2010 1st rounder (Earl Thomas) for the Seahawks 2nd rounder (CB, Alphonso Smith) in 2009. Essentially, Seahawks giving up their 2014 3rd rounder is merely worth a 4th round pick in 2013.
The Vikings took CB, Xavier Rhodes with the 25th pick. Seahawks took WR Chris Harper with their 2013 4th Rounder.
Without the Harvin trade, Seahawks are most likely looking at Cordelle Patterson at #25 (perhaps DeAndre Hopkins) and going WR in round 1, do they still take a WR in round 4? Logically, they acquired Harvin but still drafted Harper, so, I’ll say yes, they would’ve still drafted 2 WRs out of this draft.
So Harvin’s contract aside, (and if the Seahawks sign T-Jack back), Harvin’s trade value ultimately becomes:
Harvin = Patterson/Hopkins + Harper/Patton
Its hard to predict what will become of the 2014 3rd rounder as the future hasn’t taken place and we don’t even know who will be chosen, or who the Seahawks would have chosen with the pick which is why I establish Harper or Patton (however it plays out if the Seahawks didn’t trade for Harvin) as the theoretic 4th round value in compensation as the 2014 3rd Rounder.
The real question to answer now becomes could the Seahawks traded 2013 1st, 4th, and 7th round selections to the Vikings for Percy Harvin, and how much do the Seahawks value Chris Harper to inadvertently tie him to the value that was lost in 2014 3rd rounder. Not really, but thinking about it… Harvin should remain Harvin but better and more grown up as Harvin is merely 25 years old in his 5th season plus now being well paid to contribute and compete. We already know Harvin is worth tremendous value but many believe it isn’t a 1st, 3rd, and 7th compensation on top of a hefty contract.
But if Harper becomes a good to great player in the future plus (T-Jack) Seahawks theoretically would break even on the Harvin in added and weighted value of compensation.
25th pick = Harvin + Contract: Seahawks get one of the best young play-makers in the NFL.
2014 3rd Rounder = Chris Harper in value, If Harper becomes a starter, plus a solid to quality contributor (receiving, blocking, and special teams)… Then losing out on the 2013 3rd Rounder almost means nothing (in value).
2013 7th round pick = Tarvaris Jackson. Seahawks had to get rid of Jackson in order for Wilson or Flynn to take full command of the team. It was a necessary deduction, they would have cut Jackson regardless, so the fact they could pick up an extra pick off a player they signed as a free agent and then use it to acquire a marquee player like Harvin even if it was only a 7th round pick is pretty genius. Getting T-Jack back especially when he has more value to this team than Quinn or Jerrod Johnson almost cancels out the initial trade entirely.
NO ONE would have complained if the Seahawks would have traded their 2013 1st round and 4th round selections for Percy Harvin. A lot of people would have labeled it a steal even with considering his contract.
And simply if the pieces fall into place, i.e. getting T-Jack back but he’ll have to out compete Quinn and Harper becoming a legitimate starter player and solid contributor in the future , the Seahawks essentially get Harvin for the equivalent value for only a 25th pick and a contract. And that’s pretty damn good considering they outbid the 49ers for Harvin.
Furthermore, the real kicker will be this… Harvin most likely will put the Seahawks over the edge, the Seahawks were becoming an offensive powerhouse without him, so he only makes them that much more dangerous, not only that Harvin’s presence and influence will make the Seahawks Defense better by preparing them from quick, devastating players such as Harvin. The same players that burned one of the top defenses in the NFL last season. The Seahawks will be that much better and that much prepared, and it is likely they’ll be one of the last 4 teams standing giving them a 2014 draft position from 28-32. I would bet safely that Schneider will likely trade out of the first in 2014 to recoup that lost 3rd round and lessen the monetary worth of a draft pick by getting out of the 1st round. Realistically, without looking at stipulating values the Harvin trade becomes a 2013 1st rounder, about 20 spots in a trade down, and a mere 7th round pick.
Arguably, if the Seahawks win the Superbowl and Harvin was a contributing factor, who really cares what we gave up.
I kind of rambled on for probably a good thousands words more than I wanted to but there has been relatively little news to write about…so I kind of went on and on and on… (apologies). I just wanted to show and insinuate that compensation give up for Percy Harvin could almost become the Seahawks giving up little or nothing in return just a 1st rounder and a big contract for a player that is one of the most dynamic at what he does and can do in the NFL.
Jackson was signed as a free agent from the Vikings (2 yrs, 8 mil), traded to Buffalo in 2012 pre-season for a 7th round pick, that 7th round pick was then traded to the Vikings as part of the Harvin deal.
I know the Seahawks don't recuperate the talent lost in the 7th round pick but the Seahawks had 4 7th round choices in the 2013 draft entering a season where most of the roster would be set from existing players before the draft.
The original talent was Jackson and he is a quality backup QB in this league. His trade was almost necessary if not necessary altogether, the Seahawks needed to dismantle T-Jack's support group in order from Wilson to fully establish control of this team (something that took almost half a season to achieve) and any savings gained helped off-set Flynn's contract.
Getting Jackson back now would be a great move after the necessary excursion ... most likely he'll be cheap, he already knows the system, he already knows the players including new additions like Harvin, Winfield, and Cliff Avril. Jackson also wouldn’t sign a contract unless he knows that he’ll have to compete with Brady Quinn merely as Wilson’s support group rather than competing for a substantial role. However, I wouldn’t scratch off the Scouting Team as wholly unimportant, there is value, and Tarvaris Jackson has quality value to this team.
Again, Jackson’s value comes from his departure to allow Wilson or Flynn to thrive, as well as a small savings if any towards the cap, and the Seahawks obtaining a 7th round pick for a player that was scheduled to become a free agent in 2013.
Meaning the Seahawks could have traded Jackson and just as well pursued his services in 2013. But if the Seahawks had signed Tarvaris Jackson I’m sure it would have diminished a lot of what little value the Seahawks got in return from Flynn. Jackson was retained by the Bills over Fitzpatrick and Thigpen (Buffalo’s 1 and 2 QBs on the DC in 2012) and Seahawks most likely opted out on not pursuing Tarvaris Jackson again to sort of upsell Flynn to the rest of the league.
The moment Jackson becomes a free agent, Seahawks are one of the first teams to come knocking on his door, establishing that Jackson in the least has a consideration of value and the Seahawks know this. Simply, the Seahawks know what they have in Tarvaris on a team that had less support. The Seahawks don’t know what they have in Quinn nor Johnson under a critical microscope. So getting back Jackson after trading his services for a 7th round pick is a win for the Seahawks.
In establishing that value for the audience I can reassess the central idea of this thread about Percy Harvin. In that if the Seahawks sign Jackson its almost as getting Percy Harvin for only a 2013 1st round pick (25th overall) and a 2014 3rd round pick (TBD, however, it is commonly known that a future pick is always valued at a round less in the current year i.e giving up a 2014 2nd rounder would only net you a 2013 3rd Rounder. Another example would have been the Broncos giving up their 2010 1st rounder (Earl Thomas) for the Seahawks 2nd rounder (CB, Alphonso Smith) in 2009. Essentially, Seahawks giving up their 2014 3rd rounder is merely worth a 4th round pick in 2013.
The Vikings took CB, Xavier Rhodes with the 25th pick. Seahawks took WR Chris Harper with their 2013 4th Rounder.
Without the Harvin trade, Seahawks are most likely looking at Cordelle Patterson at #25 (perhaps DeAndre Hopkins) and going WR in round 1, do they still take a WR in round 4? Logically, they acquired Harvin but still drafted Harper, so, I’ll say yes, they would’ve still drafted 2 WRs out of this draft.
So Harvin’s contract aside, (and if the Seahawks sign T-Jack back), Harvin’s trade value ultimately becomes:
Harvin = Patterson/Hopkins + Harper/Patton
Its hard to predict what will become of the 2014 3rd rounder as the future hasn’t taken place and we don’t even know who will be chosen, or who the Seahawks would have chosen with the pick which is why I establish Harper or Patton (however it plays out if the Seahawks didn’t trade for Harvin) as the theoretic 4th round value in compensation as the 2014 3rd Rounder.
The real question to answer now becomes could the Seahawks traded 2013 1st, 4th, and 7th round selections to the Vikings for Percy Harvin, and how much do the Seahawks value Chris Harper to inadvertently tie him to the value that was lost in 2014 3rd rounder. Not really, but thinking about it… Harvin should remain Harvin but better and more grown up as Harvin is merely 25 years old in his 5th season plus now being well paid to contribute and compete. We already know Harvin is worth tremendous value but many believe it isn’t a 1st, 3rd, and 7th compensation on top of a hefty contract.
But if Harper becomes a good to great player in the future plus (T-Jack) Seahawks theoretically would break even on the Harvin in added and weighted value of compensation.
25th pick = Harvin + Contract: Seahawks get one of the best young play-makers in the NFL.
2014 3rd Rounder = Chris Harper in value, If Harper becomes a starter, plus a solid to quality contributor (receiving, blocking, and special teams)… Then losing out on the 2013 3rd Rounder almost means nothing (in value).
2013 7th round pick = Tarvaris Jackson. Seahawks had to get rid of Jackson in order for Wilson or Flynn to take full command of the team. It was a necessary deduction, they would have cut Jackson regardless, so the fact they could pick up an extra pick off a player they signed as a free agent and then use it to acquire a marquee player like Harvin even if it was only a 7th round pick is pretty genius. Getting T-Jack back especially when he has more value to this team than Quinn or Jerrod Johnson almost cancels out the initial trade entirely.
NO ONE would have complained if the Seahawks would have traded their 2013 1st round and 4th round selections for Percy Harvin. A lot of people would have labeled it a steal even with considering his contract.
And simply if the pieces fall into place, i.e. getting T-Jack back but he’ll have to out compete Quinn and Harper becoming a legitimate starter player and solid contributor in the future , the Seahawks essentially get Harvin for the equivalent value for only a 25th pick and a contract. And that’s pretty damn good considering they outbid the 49ers for Harvin.
Furthermore, the real kicker will be this… Harvin most likely will put the Seahawks over the edge, the Seahawks were becoming an offensive powerhouse without him, so he only makes them that much more dangerous, not only that Harvin’s presence and influence will make the Seahawks Defense better by preparing them from quick, devastating players such as Harvin. The same players that burned one of the top defenses in the NFL last season. The Seahawks will be that much better and that much prepared, and it is likely they’ll be one of the last 4 teams standing giving them a 2014 draft position from 28-32. I would bet safely that Schneider will likely trade out of the first in 2014 to recoup that lost 3rd round and lessen the monetary worth of a draft pick by getting out of the 1st round. Realistically, without looking at stipulating values the Harvin trade becomes a 2013 1st rounder, about 20 spots in a trade down, and a mere 7th round pick.
Arguably, if the Seahawks win the Superbowl and Harvin was a contributing factor, who really cares what we gave up.
I kind of rambled on for probably a good thousands words more than I wanted to but there has been relatively little news to write about…so I kind of went on and on and on… (apologies). I just wanted to show and insinuate that compensation give up for Percy Harvin could almost become the Seahawks giving up little or nothing in return just a 1st rounder and a big contract for a player that is one of the most dynamic at what he does and can do in the NFL.
