Ray McDonald arrested for domestic violence...

[RolandDeschain]

I don't want the NFL suspending players on hearsay. Especially in domestic abuse cases. Uninfortunately evidence isn't as clear cut as a drug/ped case.

Doesn't matter. I don't know why so many people are struggling to grasp this concept, but the NFL can suspend a player if they so choose for merely the appearance of anything that might hurt the league image. This is a common thing in plenty of other work industries, too. Attorneys, professors at prestigious universities, myriad others. The NFL isn't a court of law, proof is not needed.

Every single NFL player knows this PRIOR to even signing with their first NFL team. No excuses, and to all you non-Seahawks fans that may see this, that INCLUDES Seahawks players without a doubt!

 

[Sports Hernia]

I don't want the NFL suspending players on hearsay. Especially in domestic abuse cases. Uninfortunately evidence isn't as clear cut as a drug/ped case.

Doesn't matter. I don't know why so many people are struggling to grasp this concept, but the NFL can suspend a player if they so choose for merely the appearance of anything that might hurt the league image. This is a common thing in plenty of other work industries, too. Attorneys, professors at prestigious universities, myriad others. The NFL isn't a court of law, proof is not needed.

Every single NFL player knows this PRIOR to even signing with their first NFL team. No excuses, and to all you non-Seahawks fans that may see this, that INCLUDES Seahawks players without a doubt!

Ro nails it with the first paragraph.

 

[MizzouHawkGal]

I don't want the NFL suspending players on hearsay. Especially in domestic abuse cases. Uninfortunately evidence isn't as clear cut as a drug/ped case.

Doesn't matter. I don't know why so many people are struggling to grasp this concept, but the NFL can suspend a player if they so choose for merely the appearance of anything that might hurt the league image. This is a common thing in plenty of other work industries, too. Attorneys, professors at prestigious universities, myriad others. The NFL isn't a court of law, proof is not needed.

Every single NFL player knows this PRIOR to even signing with their first NFL team. No excuses, and to all you non-Seahawks fans that may see this, that INCLUDES Seahawks players without a doubt!

What you say is quite true but I neither agree with or like it.

 

[chris98251]

I don't want the NFL suspending players on hearsay. Especially in domestic abuse cases. Uninfortunately evidence isn't as clear cut as a drug/ped case.

Doesn't matter. I don't know why so many people are struggling to grasp this concept, but the NFL can suspend a player if they so choose for merely the appearance of anything that might hurt the league image. This is a common thing in plenty of other work industries, too. Attorneys, professors at prestigious universities, myriad others. The NFL isn't a court of law, proof is not needed.

Every single NFL player knows this PRIOR to even signing with their first NFL team. No excuses, and to all you non-Seahawks fans that may see this, that INCLUDES Seahawks players without a doubt!

What you say is quite true but I neither agree with or like it.

Most people don't, unless you're the owner or leader of a business, many take it to far and start dictating how your personal life has to be lived. I expect that to continue and be more intrusive as corporations have this continued upward swing in power over society.

Being able to fire you for an opinion on a social page, what you want to put on your body as in tattoos, if you want a certain hairstyle or have facial hair etc. Who you associate with using the defense of insider knowledge or them being the member of a competitors company are just examples I have seen first hand.

 

[Cartire]

I don't want the NFL suspending players on hearsay. Especially in domestic abuse cases. Uninfortunately evidence isn't as clear cut as a drug/ped case.

Doesn't matter. I don't know why so many people are struggling to grasp this concept, but the NFL can suspend a player if they so choose for merely the appearance of anything that might hurt the league image. This is a common thing in plenty of other work industries, too. Attorneys, professors at prestigious universities, myriad others. The NFL isn't a court of law, proof is not needed.

Every single NFL player knows this PRIOR to even signing with their first NFL team. No excuses, and to all you non-Seahawks fans that may see this, that INCLUDES Seahawks players without a doubt!

What you say is quite true but I neither agree with or like it.

Most people don't, unless you're the owner or leader of a business, many take it to far and start dictating how your personal life has to be lived. I expect that to continue and be more intrusive as corporations have this continued upward swing in power over society.

Being able to fire you for an opinion on a social page, what you want to put on your body as in tattoos, if you want a certain hairstyle or have facial hair etc. Who you associate with using the defense of insider knowledge or them being the member of a competitors company are just examples I have seen first hand.

Lets not forget the many companies that regulate what goes IN your body as well. That one still gets me.

 

[ringless]

I am thinking Ray is going to be cleared of any wrong doing

NFL.com has taken the story off and older news is now still on the main page while that disappeared. A synopsis is suppose to be released tomorrow and I think this is all going to go away.

 

[Cartire]

I am thinking Ray is going to be cleared of any wrong doing

NFL.com has taken the story off and older news is now still on the main page while that disappeared. A synopsis is suppose to be released tomorrow and I think this is all going to go away.

So York bought the DA again. Man, you would think people would start becoming suspicious of these practices, but it is what it is.

 

[lsheldon]

Wishful thinking by a Whiner who's guessing because its old news now.

 

[RichNhansom]

From a Moderator on the webzone: I wonder where the tinfoil hat image comes from?


Robin Williams likely killed himself because his new show was cancelled and he couldn't afford to pay his absolutely ridiculous alimony payments to his ex-wives. It really bothered him, and he was kind of a depressed person to begin with. It is truly disgusting the way laws are made in this country to appease political groups.
Alimony is an embarrassment to both women and men.

On that note, if his fiancee were smart, she would do whatever she possibly could to defend McDonald, if she cares about money.

Because the worst case scenario is the following...

The police investigation confirms that McDonald touched her in some way shape or form, to cause the bruising. It doesn't matter if she came after him with a knife, Goodell, just wants to see if McDonald touched her at all.
Goodell then suspends McDonald for the season, because she is pregnant, and also because this is the perfect opportunity to distance himself from the Ray Rice situation.

The 49ers then cut McDonald from the team, because they are not going to pay 9 million dollars for his services for just one more season on his contract. In addition, the 49ers could use a publicity boost themselves, so this would be a no-brainer. The 49ers can then use his salary to free up some cap space (hopefully, I know they just re-did his contract) to extend Crabtree. This will give the fans something to feel positive about in this whole mess.

McDonald will not be picked up by another team. After missing a year of football, and having the reputation of "beating a pregnant woman," no team is going to want to go through the drama. Especially with a player, who, ironically ruined his career while celebrating his 30th birthday. He will be celebrating his 31st birthday by the time he is allowed back into the league, which isn't a good number for a wife-beater who just missed an entire year of football.

McDonald will have no income, his reputation will be ruined, and it will be hard for him to find any work because of it. His pregnant fiancee will realize just how stupid she was for calling the police in the first place. She will have to find another rich husband while walking around with a swollen stomach. Good luck with that.
She will then have a kid in a stroller, walking around trying to show her ass in upscale neighborhoods. A very sad scene indeed.

It is probably too late anyway, because even if she decides not to press charges, the cat is out of the bag, and Goodell just needs to see some form of the words, "I grabbed/blocked/pushed/nudged her," and from that, he will ruin this mans NFL career and perhaps life.

In the meantime, Ray Rice gets to have the exiting experience of actually hitting his fiancee and knocking her unconscious, while only missing two games, and continuing on with his life, family, and lucrative career.
The worse man gets away with the worse crime, the gentler one has his life ruined. Welcome to Goodell's NFL.


Edit: Misread the poster. This was not a mod, just a normal poster.

 

[hawksfansinceday1]

Most people don't, unless you're the owner or leader of a business, many take it to far and start dictating how your personal life has to be lived. I expect that to continue and be more intrusive as corporations have this continued upward swing in power over society.

Being able to fire you for an opinion on a social page, what you want to put on your body as in tattoos, if you want a certain hairstyle or have facial hair etc. Who you associate with using the defense of insider knowledge or them being the member of a competitors company are just examples I have seen first hand.

Lets not forget the many companies that regulate what goes IN your body as well. That one still gets me.

George Orwell agrees with both of you.

And if people don't think we've reached 1984 status but just around 30 years later than he 'predicted', they aren't paying attention (and too many aren't)..........e.g. "Patriot Act".

 

[Marvin49]

Done commenting here about various conspiracy theories...just updating with tweets on the topic...

Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 11m
Harbaugh says 2 principles at play w/ McDonald "(1.) we’ll not tolerate domestic violence. (2.) is we’re firm belivers in due process."

Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 11m
#49ers Jim Harbaugh: I strongly oppose domestic violence or violence toward children. It will not be tolerated.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows · 11m
Harbaugh said there's "no tolerance" for anyone who physically abuses a woman or a child. Says there's no room on his team for that.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows · 11m
Still, he said he's also a believer in due process and that process must be "concluded" before we make judgments.



I do just want to make one comment tho. Some of you have postulated that when the woman finds out the money they are losing she'll backtrack and this thing will go away. That can't happen. Law doesn't work that way.

Unfortunately, I have some experience with this. The law is written to protect the victim...even from themselves. Once a report is made, the police and DA will proceed regardless of what the victim says or does. She can't stop it.

Its written that way because so many victims of domestic abuse backtrack and then get abused again. It is essentially taken out of their hands.

In my case, a relative got into an argument with his wife. She got angry and hit HIM. When he put his arms up to block, she was bruised on the arm because she hit his watch. She left angry and went to the hospital. She told the nurses she got into a fight with her husband and the hospital called the police, as they should do. The police took the report but she didn't word it as "I hit him" because she was afraid SHE'D get in trouble.

Next thing you know, they are at his house arresting him...in front of his son no less. She tried to immediately backtrack but they wouldn't let her. The case dragged on for 6 months with the DA CONSTANTLY trying to get him to take a plea and he refused because he didn't do anything. Almost tore the family apart.

It finally ended because myself and a few others sat down with her, she told us what happened, and we submitted accounts of that discussion to his lawyer. Effectively, the DA didn't have a case....but MAN did they try to get him to plead guilty over and over and over.

Believe it or not, I don't have a problem with the system. It sucked for my relative, but I understand why the law is written the way it is. Its written to protect people who are unable or unwilling to protect themselves.

Does this mean that Ray McDonald is in the same situation? Absolutely not. I have no idea what happened that night. If he struck her, strangled her, or whatever....cut him. Put him in jail. Hell...if was legal, castrate him.

I only express the above to explain exactly why I am hesitant to throw him under the bus already. Not minimizing anything. If he did it, he needs to go away.

 

[Brahn]

Ray could be innocent.

49ers leading the league in arrests since 2012

The Team Above Reproach is not.

 

[loafoftatupu]

Done commenting here about various conspiracy theories...just updating with tweets on the topic...

Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 11m
Harbaugh says 2 principles at play w/ McDonald "(1.) we’ll not tolerate domestic violence. (2.) is we’re firm belivers in due process."

Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 11m
#49ers Jim Harbaugh: I strongly oppose domestic violence or violence toward children. It will not be tolerated.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows · 11m
Harbaugh said there's "no tolerance" for anyone who physically abuses a woman or a child. Says there's no room on his team for that.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows · 11m
Still, he said he's also a believer in due process and that process must be "concluded" before we make judgments.



I do just want to make one comment tho. Some of you have postulated that when the woman finds out the money they are losing she'll backtrack and this thing will go away. That can't happen. Law doesn't work that way.

Unfortunately, I have some experience with this. The law is written to protect the victim...even from themselves. Once a report is made, the police and DA will proceed regardless of what the victim says or does. She can't stop it.

Its written that way because so many victims of domestic abuse backtrack and then get abused again. It is essentially taken out of their hands.

You like Twitter too much Marvin. It isn't reporting, it is just cherry picked. So Shut Up Marvin.

And it DOES work that way. In fact, in CA there is also a law that a wife cannot be forced to testify against her husband. Even if the DA can press charges, without the testimony from the wife there is typically not a case and the DA tries to make a deal of much lesser charges. In the case of SF, a felony charge only means standard traffic citation by the time the judge gets a hold of it.

Brooks wasn't even CHARGED... This gal will change her tune really soon. If there was a Vegas line, I would jump on that action like this one blonde girl named Jennifer, with Double D's. That's a lot of jumping.

RM is likely not innocent, but I won't just condemn the guy.. Not yet at least.

 

[Melencause]

Personally, I hope he didn't hit her for a few reasons.

1. For the ladies sake
2. Because I want meaningful games in November.

 

[Marvin49]

Done commenting here about various conspiracy theories...just updating with tweets on the topic...

Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 11m
Harbaugh says 2 principles at play w/ McDonald "(1.) we’ll not tolerate domestic violence. (2.) is we’re firm belivers in due process."

Cam Inman ‏@CamInman · 11m
#49ers Jim Harbaugh: I strongly oppose domestic violence or violence toward children. It will not be tolerated.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows · 11m
Harbaugh said there's "no tolerance" for anyone who physically abuses a woman or a child. Says there's no room on his team for that.

Matt Barrows ‏@mattbarrows · 11m
Still, he said he's also a believer in due process and that process must be "concluded" before we make judgments.



I do just want to make one comment tho. Some of you have postulated that when the woman finds out the money they are losing she'll backtrack and this thing will go away. That can't happen. Law doesn't work that way.

Unfortunately, I have some experience with this. The law is written to protect the victim...even from themselves. Once a report is made, the police and DA will proceed regardless of what the victim says or does. She can't stop it.

Its written that way because so many victims of domestic abuse backtrack and then get abused again. It is essentially taken out of their hands.

You like Twitter too much Marvin. It isn't reporting, it is just cherry picked. So Shut Up Marvin.

And it DOES work that way. In fact, in CA there is also a law that a wife cannot be forced to testify against her husband. Even if the DA can press charges, without the testimony from the wife there is typically not a case and the DA tries to make a deal of much lesser charges. In the case of SF, a felony charge only means standard traffic citation by the time the judge gets a hold of it.

Brooks wasn't even CHARGED... This gal will change her tune really soon. If there was a Vegas line, I would jump on that action like this one blonde girl named Jennifer, with Double D's. That's a lot of jumping.

RM is likely not innocent, but I won't just condemn the guy.. Not yet at least.

oi. It's news because Harbaugh was asked about it for the first time. Not cherry-picking anything. If anything, he's just painted himself into a corner even more than he did with the Donte Whitner comments. If McDonald is guilty, I don't think he gave himself a way out there.

As for the rest...

...you'll excuse me if I trust my personal experience a bit more than some opposing fan on the internet.

 

[Cartire]

Marvin, She already told the police he was abusing her. She showed them the bruises. They charged him with a felony.

IF the law is protecting the victim, and she cant backtrack like you say, what all of a sudden will change? Why will he not be convicted? I mean honestly, if she already said he did it and has the bruises. Without video evidence of it all being fake, he stands zero chance of not being convicted, right?

But heres the thing. We both know he wont. We both know this is going to go away. We both know it was a "misunderstanding". Weird how this works.

 

[Marvin49]

Marvin, She already told the police he was abusing her. She showed them the bruises. They charged him with a felony.

IF the law is protecting the victim, and she cant backtrack like you say, what all of a sudden will change? Why will he not be convicted? I mean honestly, if she already said he did it and has the bruises. Without video evidence of it all being fake, he stands zero chance of not being convicted, right?

But heres the thing. We both know he wont. We both know this is going to go away. We both know it was a "misunderstanding". Weird how this works.

I have no idea. I wasn't there.

I can only hope is was a misunderstanding for HER sake.

BTW, I DON'T know this will go away. HUGE magnifying glass right now on the SC DA and the league. IMO, for this to blow over, it would require a genuine "misunderstanding". Way, way too much attention on this from the NFL and groups who focus on protecting victims of domestic violence...especially after the Ray Rice situation.

 

[Marvin49]

Yup...painted into a corner bigtime. If he's guilty, I don't think the Niners have a choice.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... -violence/

“I’ll be very clear,” Harbaugh said, via Matt Maiocco of CSNBayArea.com. “You ask me how I feel about domestic violence. I can be very clear about that. If someone physically abuses a woman and/or physically or mentally abuses or hurts a child then there’s no understanding, there’s no tolerance for that.”

Asked if he would not allow a player convicted of such charges to remain on his team, he replied: “Yes, we would not. We can be very clear.”

 

[Cartire]

Marvin.

She said he was abusing her. She had physical evidence of the mishap.

What misunderstanding could there possibly be? I mean, sure, she could be lieing. But how is that going to be proved? I mean, you already said she cant backtrack now. Even if she was lieing, her saying she was lieing is a form of backtracking.

All im saying is, I dont see any possible way this can be considered a misunderstanding with the standards set in place for victim protection.

The only way this becomes a "misunderstanding" is when the DA sweeps it under the rug, again.

 

[Marvin49]

Marvin.

She said he was abusing her. She had physical evidence of the mishap.

What misunderstanding could there possibly be? I mean, sure, she could be lieing. But how is that going to be proved? I mean, you already said she cant backtrack now. Even if she was lieing, her saying she was lieing is a form of backtracking.

All im saying is, I dont see any possible way this can be considered a misunderstanding with the standards set in place for victim protection.

The only way this becomes a "misunderstanding" is when the DA sweeps it under the rug, again.

You could very well be right. I have no idea. I'm not defending him.

I've just been here before. In the case I cited above SHE was afraid of getting in trouble. SHE told a story that she thought she'd been abused 30 years ago...but that crap never happened (and in fact she went after him with a knife...long story...she's a bit loony).

I don't know how this could be a misunderstanding. I hope that it is, but I have ZERO evidence of that.