Qb giving himself up by diving?

[FattyKnuckle]

The ball is to be spotted where the ball is at when the player contacts the ground. If the ref gets it wrong it’s on the coaches to challenge it. The TD today was called by the rule.

Dude, you're dead wrong, take the L and stop digging in. It's where the slide starts. Every single time.

 

[kidhawk]

Dude, you're dead wrong, take the L and stop digging in. It's where the slide starts. Every single time.

All I can do is show you the official rule what you do with it is your business. It’s not a W or an L for me

Besides the play today is a dive not a slide. It was a correct TD call. That’s really my only point here take it or leave it I don’t really care. I am not going to let a correct call bother me.

 

[bigskydoc]

I dont disagree but I'm sure I've seen qb runs pulled back.

I think we agree on this. I was trying to say tgat they will bring the ball back to where the slide started, except in situations where it is obvious he isn't giving himself up.

We've all seen the QB sneak where he goes up and over the pile for a TD or 1st down, and they don't place the ball where it was when hid feet left the ground.

 

[Threedee]

NFL rules will now treat head-first dives like feet-first slides

For many years, NFL rules have allowed ball carriers, usually quarterbacks, to protect themselves by sliding feet-first.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

Gay.

 

[bigskydoc]

It's different when you dive/slide in the open field, to avoid getting hit. Maybe a bit of a judgement call. That move gets called back every time.

 

[UK_Seahawk]

I'll just leave this here

 

[FattyKnuckle]

All I can do is show you the official rule what you do with it is your business. It’s not a W or an L for me

Besides the play today is a dive not a slide. It was a correct TD call. That’s really my only point here take it or leave it I don’t really care. I am not going to let a correct call bother me.

It'll invariably come up in a game, the announcers will point it out for the ten thousandth time, the refs will place it where the slide started and then you'll know.

 

[kidhawk]

It'll invariably come up in a game, the announcers will point it out for the ten thousandth time, the refs will place it where the slide started and then you'll know.

Feel free to watch the replay of the Marietta dive for a TD then you’ll know as that was the main point I was making here

 

[kidhawk]

I'll just leave this here

That’s a perfect example of my interpretation. His knee hit the ground but he didn’t stretch the ball over the goal so no TD. Today the ball was already across before he was down.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

Feel free to watch the replay of the Marietta dive for a TD then you’ll know as that was the main point I was making here

Conversations expand. We ended up discussing the rule of QBs giving themselves up.

 

[FattyKnuckle]

It'll invariably come up in a game, the announcers will point it out for the ten thousandth time, the refs will place it where the slide started and then you'll know.

All I can do is show you the official rule what you do with it is your business. It’s not a W or an L for me

Besides the play today is a dive not a slide. It was a correct TD call. That’s really my only point here take it or leave it I don’t really care. I am not going to let a correct call bother me.

Watch the end of Cardinals and Eagles. The example that started this discussion was a dive but you've also been arguing in this thread that a slide isn't down at the point the slide starts. Here's exactly what I said would come up: ball is spotted before the line to gain because he started the slide beforehand.

 

[kidhawk]

Watch the end of Cardinals and Eagles. The example that started this discussion was a dive but you've also been arguing in this thread that a slide isn't down at the point the slide starts. Here's exactly what I said would come up: ball is spotted before the line to gain because he started the slide beforehand.

When the player goes down the ball is spotted where the ball is at. Whether it’s a slide or a dive. No forward progress. That’s what I was saying so I’m not sure what your point is. It’s not where the ball is when the player is touched down nor is any forward process given. I didn’t argue different. I’m not sure why you keep thinking that I would say that they get forward progress.

In the original play brought up the ball crossed the goal before the player could have been considered as giving himself up. Therefor it was a TD.