Problem between Russell and Doug??

[brettb3]

He also didn't answer people who asked if it was about Tate. Doug's an honest guy, but at times he tweets intentionally vague things in order to get a rise out of people. A few months ago he posted a tweet that seemed to imply that NFL players have it tougher than people in the military. People tweeted back at him in outrage, then Doug eventually revealed that he was referring to something completely different. I think things like that are his way of showing that people take what guys in his position say way too seriously. Sort of like what we're doing right now.

Well, the Baldwin quotes don't fit Tate at all (even the "brand" comment doesn't fit Tate since Baldwin is clearly referring to a person who is creating a brand off the field). The comments fit Wilson in ways that are super-obvious. It doesn't mean he is talking about Wilson, but it was the first person to jump to mind and I struggle think of anyone else who checks half the boxes. If Baldwin's going to be mum on questions about Wilson, it makes sense to be mum about all such questions. But why not deny it if it is not a teammate? Why not at least say it's not Wilson?

Because it's not his responsibility to clear up the perceptions of fans who think they can read his mind. It's also possible that he's simply messing with people, which he's done in the past. As for Tate, yesterday he was talking about his "brand" in an interview, so that's the possible connection (IMHO I don't think he's talking about either Tate or Wilson).

 

[HansGruber]

I'd be inclined to believe this, and also thought the rumors about Tate and Wilson's wife were BS. Until I found out that members of the team were saying it, and saying that it was a legitimate issue during the Superbowl. Whether or not it is true, it is a fact that the locker room thought it was true before they even played in the Superbowl.

Not trying to be a smartass, I just want to know. Can you prove it's a fact? Did any team members go on the record anywhere other than being referenced anonymously on an internet rumor site?

Yeah. I heard one of the OL talking about it in person. And he said it was an issue in the locker room during the Superbowl, that it was "ice" between Tate and Wilson. It struck me enough that I started a thread about it here that was shut down.

 

[Cartire]

He also didn't answer people who asked if it was about Tate. Doug's an honest guy, but at times he tweets intentionally vague things in order to get a rise out of people. A few months ago he posted a tweet that seemed to imply that NFL players have it tougher than people in the military. People tweeted back at him in outrage, then Doug eventually revealed that he was referring to something completely different. I think things like that are his way of showing that people take what guys in his position say way too seriously. Sort of like what we're doing right now.

Well, the Baldwin quotes don't fit Tate at all (even the "brand" comment doesn't fit Tate since Baldwin is clearly referring to a person who is creating a brand off the field). The comments fit Wilson in ways that are super-obvious. It doesn't mean he is talking about Wilson, but it was the first person to jump to mind and I struggle think of anyone else who checks half the boxes. If Baldwin's going to be mum on questions about Wilson, it makes sense to be mum about all such questions. But why not deny it if it is not a teammate? Why not at least say it's not Wilson?

Because it's not his responsibility to clear up the perceptions of fans who think they can read his mind. It's also possible that he's simply messing with people, which he's done in the past. As for Tate, yesterday he was talking about his "brand" in an interview, so that's the possible connection (IMHO I don't think he's talking about either Tate or Wilson).

Lets not forget ADB invited this. He chose to voice his thoughts on twitter. Twitter isnt a private affair. If hes posting on twitter, hes inviting criticism. No, we cant read his mind. But if you are voicing your mind to all to hear, you might want to make sure they are the same page as you.

 

[kearly]

Because it's not his responsibility to clear up the perceptions of fans who think they can read his mind. It's also possible that he's simply messing with people, which he's done in the past. As for Tate, yesterday he was talking about his "brand" in an interview, so that's the possible connection (IMHO I don't think he's talking about either Tate or Wilson).

Tate was talking about his on the field brand, i.e. more catches, more yards, more pro-bowls. Baldwin was making reference to someone building an off the field brand with community outreach. Further, Tate's personally is about as anti-robotic as it gets. I am 99.99999% sure he's not talking about Tate.

Baldwin doesn't have any obligation, but given the obvious Wilson connections of his statements I think it would be wise to issue a denial. Even if he's not talking about Wilson, a glance at Wilson's twitter today makes you wonder if Wilson thinks he is.

 

[Throwdown]

Cuz wilson is actually the type to respond to a shot...

I hate my fellow Seahawk fans today, y'all give me indigestion.

 

[kearly]

Yeah. I heard one of the OL talking about it in person. And he said it was an issue in the locker room during the Superbowl, that it was "ice" between Tate and Wilson. It struck me enough that I started a thread about it here that was shut down.

Thanks for clarifying. I trust your word, you don't seem like the kind of guy that would make shit up for no reason.

If it is possible to say without giving away too much, how was it that you were able to be in a conversation with a Seahawks player?

 

[kearly]

Cuz wilson is actually the type to respond to a shot...

I hate my fellow Seahawk fans today, y'all give me indigestion.

How would you explain those tweets then? I'm just looking for an explanation of all this evidence that fits together and makes sense... and everything so far seems to be consistently pointing in a certain direction.

In terms of timeline, Baldwin made his four tweets all at the same time. They were posted between 8 and 9 PM.

Wilson's "rise above" tweet came three hours later. The two cryptic biblical tweets Wilson followed with came the next morning, 3 minutes apart.

And for the record, I don't think Wilson was taking a shot in any way. He was simply expressing a religious view of forgiveness and transcending strife.

 

[Sac]

Cuz wilson is actually the type to respond to a shot...

I hate my fellow Seahawk fans today, y'all give me indigestion.

How would you explain those tweets then? I'm just looking for an explanation of all this evidence that fits together and makes sense... and everything so far seems to be pointing in a certain direction.

It was also in the news today that a former lawyer for the catholic church blew the whistle on the church sweeping crimes against children by the clergy under the rug.

But no. That wouldn't fit.

 

[Sac]

Or it could be a shot at Sherm or Tate or generally anyone he perceives as fake.

 

[Throwdown]

Cuz wilson is actually the type to respond to a shot...

I hate my fellow Seahawk fans today, y'all give me indigestion.

How would you explain those tweets then? I'm just looking for an explanation of all this evidence that fits together and makes sense... and everything so far seems to be consistently pointing in a certain direction.

Maybe a rough day in divorce court

 

[HansGruber]

Yeah. I heard one of the OL talking about it in person. And he said it was an issue in the locker room during the Superbowl, that it was "ice" between Tate and Wilson. It struck me enough that I started a thread about it here that was shut down.

Thanks for clarifying. I trust your word, you don't seem like the kind of guy that would make shit up for no reason.

If it is possible to say without giving away too much, how was it that you were able to be in a conversation with a Seahawks player?

I wasn't in a conversation with him. He was sitting in the bar in Joey's in Bellevue talking to friends, a large group of people. Joey's is setup with all these tables really close to each other, so you can generally hear the people around you. They were being loud and boisterous and he was talking about it to someone else. A group of us heard it, including the bartender. I expressed my disbelief to the bartender and he said, "You know, it's weird, I've heard it from a couple of the players recently."

Whether or not Tate actually did that - there was a rumor in the locker room.

And it suddenly made sense to me why the team would let him walk. Previously, I couldn't figure out why they didn't offer Tate at least $4m/yr. That's really not that much, definitely not enough to stop them from signing Wilson long term. Clayton stated before the season that Tate's contract would be $6m/yr and people inside the organization had planned to sign him. So I was mostly interested in that aspect of it, that maybe the Seahawks had let him walk because they simply didn't want rumors messing up the locker room chemistry, whether true or not.

 

[scutterhawk]

:177692: :34853_doh: :141847_bnono: Why would DB say anything bad about Wilson? He really needs to clear this up and take care of any negative implications on the man who can/will make him a top receiver in NFL.

If there is anything to clear up it will be done behind closed doors. He needs to clarify nothing to the fans imo.

Bullshit, :141847_bnono: if he's twittering where the fans are reading it, he should have the gonads to set the record straight.

 

[SeatownJay]

Or it could be a shot at Sherm or Tate or generally anyone he perceives as fake.

I don't think Baldwin would use "humility" when talking about Sherman, though.

 

[kearly]

Maybe a rough day in divorce court

That would be quite the coincidence.

 

[Anthony!]

Cuz wilson is actually the type to respond to a shot...

I hate my fellow Seahawk fans today, y'all give me indigestion.

How would you explain those tweets then? I'm just looking for an explanation of all this evidence that fits together and makes sense... and everything so far seems to be consistently pointing in a certain direction.

In terms of timeline, Baldwin made his four tweets all at the same time. They were posted between 8 and 9 PM.

Wilson's "rise above" tweet came three hours later. The two cryptic biblical tweets Wilson followed with came the next morning, 3 minutes apart.

And for the record, I don't think Wilson was taking a shot in any way. He was simply expressing a religious view of forgiveness and transcending strife.

Well did you read the interview with Tate? HE kind of through Rw under the bus and said Stafford is better, that could be what Rw is walking about, a supposedly good friend of his just made it clear a guy he has yet to play a real gam with is better than the guy that put you on the map

 

[HansGruber]

Yeah. I heard one of the OL talking about it in person. And he said it was an issue in the locker room during the Superbowl, that it was "ice" between Tate and Wilson. It struck me enough that I started a thread about it here that was shut down.

Thanks for clarifying. I trust your word, you don't seem like the kind of guy that would make shit up for no reason.

If it is possible to say without giving away too much, how was it that you were able to be in a conversation with a Seahawks player?

Also, you're a numbers guy, and you seem really tuned into the business of football, the Seahawks from a business standpoint.

Why would they sign Baldwin to an extension worth over $4m/yr but offer Tate less? I mean, yeah, Baldwin was a baller and came up big at times, but I don't think he was THAT much better than Tate that you let Tate walk and extend Baldwin.

Further, they've openly talked to some other free agents at WR this offseason. They drafted a couple of young guys as well. So it's not like they're all set at WR and had to cut someone.

I honestly don't really understand the decision to let Tate walk like that. He would have taken $5m/yr which wouldn't have been a problem at all. The only thing that made sense about it to me was that he disappeared in the Arizona game and it was obvious we need more size and speed at WR. But still... you extend Baldwin? He's like a Tate clone, but not quite as good as Tate (I'd put him just slightly below Tate due to Tate's ability as a kick and punt returner).

The whole Tate thing just doesn't make sense. We have a real hole in punt and kick returns. And Tate wasn't asking so much that he'd have crippled the team. He stayed healthy and produced when it counted. Something doesn't add up. I'm not saying the rumors are true, but something is definitely off. It doesn't make sense that the Seahawks would throw a lowball offer out there and just stop talking to his agent, which is exactly what they did.

 

[kearly]

Yeah. I heard one of the OL talking about it in person. And he said it was an issue in the locker room during the Superbowl, that it was "ice" between Tate and Wilson. It struck me enough that I started a thread about it here that was shut down.

Thanks for clarifying. I trust your word, you don't seem like the kind of guy that would make shit up for no reason.

If it is possible to say without giving away too much, how was it that you were able to be in a conversation with a Seahawks player?

I wasn't in a conversation with him. He was sitting in the bar in Joey's in Bellevue talking to friends, a large group of people. Joey's is setup with all these tables really close to each other, so you can generally hear the people around you. They were being loud and boisterous and he was talking about it to someone else. A group of us heard it, including the bartender. I expressed my disbelief to the bartender and he said, "You know, it's weird, I've heard it from a couple of the players recently."

Whether or not Tate actually did that - there was a rumor in the locker room.

And it suddenly made sense to me why the team would let him walk. Previously, I couldn't figure out why they didn't offer Tate at least $4m/yr. That's really not that much, definitely not enough to stop them from signing Wilson long term. Clayton stated before the season that Tate's contract would be $6m/yr and people inside the organization had planned to sign him. So I was mostly interested in that aspect of it, that maybe the Seahawks had let him walk because they simply didn't want rumors messing up the locker room chemistry, whether true or not.

Interesting, thanks for sharing.

 

[TAB420]

I think Doug loves to make people think on their own. This is what he twitted back to me today.


Tab420

@DougBaldwinJr This is the problem with social media. Everyone thinks they know what people are talking about.

4:27 PM - 16 Jul 2014

‏DougBaldwinJr

@Tab420 yep. Everyone has the answers. I like to leave em with more questions. Lol.

 

[scutterhawk]

I'm not saying it isn't RW, but it could literally be anyone. So let's not say it's RW till Doug says it is.

It could also be no one in particular and doug is just venting on his perception of the whole thing in general, too.

General who? :shock:

 

[kearly]

Well did you read the interview with Tate? HE kind of through Rw under the bus and said Stafford is better, that could be what Rw is walking about, a supposedly good friend of his just made it clear a guy he has yet to play a real gam with is better than the guy that put you on the map

That's a decent point, in that the timelines match somewhat. But would Wilson show so much hurt over the petty observation on TV that Stafford has just a little more zip on his passes? (Which, in all honesty, is probably an accurate statement). It wasn't like Tate attacked Wilson in that interview.