Positivity

[Uncle Si]

But, why do people care so much when someone has a positive outlook? And do they need to be told how stupid and/or clueless they are? Maybe people should be able to fan how they want?
Also, the Rams scored a total of 6 points in their last 7 POSSESSIONS. Seems to be little to no talk about that at all. Sunday was on the Offense and horrific coaching imo……
And we are all aware that the defense has been horrific. We get reminded of it every 33 seconds...…

Some people wallow in misery. That is their joy. that is how they "enjoy" sports. They conveniently found their way to this thread to continue their assault.

They will say they are being "realistic"

It's silly. It's sports. If you're not enjoying yourself watching the team, then don't watch. I never understood it. Being frustrated is part of being a fan. incessantly posting in thread after thread about it is... well, it's weird to me. Then you have the guys who are pretending to be fans of the team just so they can pop off on them. Imagine being that bored.

It would be nice to debate the merits of the team without so much vitriol aimed at how you think they can succeed. Alas, not in 2020. I always laugh at how seriously people take it, pining on about their "right" as a fan, without realizing how silly they look.

There's a lot to be concerned with. If the Seahawks D is the biggest problem for you, consider yourself lucky.

 

[themunn]

The fact that we havent beaten a good team yet and struggled against some pretty bad teams kind of adds to the reaction. I guess we beat Miami but that was before they found themselves. They would beat the Hawks right now. This season is just another carbon copy of the last few years where the team gets bounced early on in the playoffs and some will eagerly accept that as long as they made it because they sucked in the 90's, while others will sit there scratching their heads in disbelief because others cant see the pattern and issues for some reason.

We haven't really played any bad teams outside of the Cowboys, and apart from a 4th quarter meltdown we handled them easily when they still had Dak Prescott playing at otherworldly levels.

The Patriots and Vikings would have winning records if we lost to them, the Falcons have lost 4 games by less than a TD (we also handed them their 2nd worst loss - by 13 points at home, with only the Packers having a better margin by 1 point at Lambeau), and the 49ers were out of sight for 4 quarters.

In our 3 losses Wilson turned the ball over 10 times - in his worst SEASON he had 14 turnovers, so while it is somewhat concerning you can also expect some improvement from a guy who has never been known for turning over the ball.

 

[Uncle Si]

The fact that we havent beaten a good team yet and struggled against some pretty bad teams kind of adds to the reaction. I guess we beat Miami but that was before they found themselves. They would beat the Hawks right now. This season is just another carbon copy of the last few years where the team gets bounced early on in the playoffs and some will eagerly accept that as long as they made it because they sucked in the 90's, while others will sit there scratching their heads in disbelief because others cant see the pattern and issues for some reason.

We haven't really played any bad teams outside of the Cowboys, and apart from a 4th quarter meltdown we handled them easily when they still had Dak Prescott playing at otherworldly levels.

The Patriots and Vikings would have winning records if we lost to them, the Falcons have lost 4 games by less than a TD (we also handed them their 2nd worst loss - by 13 points at home, with only the Packers having a better margin by 1 point at Lambeau), and the 49ers were out of sight for 4 quarters.

In our 3 losses Wilson turned the ball over 10 times - in his worst SEASON he had 14 turnovers, so while it is somewhat concerning you can also expect some improvement from a guy who has never been known for turning over the ball.

Good post and shows how some view the team. It's by far perfect, it is not the train wreck others want it to be. And to be fair to this season, every team in the NFC has significant issues.

I also don't understand the notion that "other's can't see" the team's issues? Is that really what some detractor's think? That keeping the team and it's struggles in perspective is somehow blissful ignorance? It's a strange take, and one I've read far too many times by the same handful of people in thread after thread on here the last few weeks.

You now have posters who are so emotional about the team's struggles that they are actively promoting losses to demonstrate how right they are. Weird way to watch sports.

 

[OrangeGravy]

People seem to conveniently forget it took a minor miracle to beat Minny and one play away from losing to New England. This team is average, and probably would be 2-14 with Geno Smith starting. it is okay to admit that.

Conveniently forget? Get over yourself. Wins are HARD to come by in this league. A smarter person cherishes each and every win, not getting caught up in the minutia of the game. Every fanbase of every team can play the "Well this could have happened or that could have happened..." game. It's pointless and brings nothing to the conversation.

Some fans have a hard time accepting that they don't have any control over their team's processes. They feel, for some odd reason, that they deserve better from their team no matter the record. They absolutely cannot accept that competition is fraught with random uncertainty no matter how prepared you are coming into it. The overarching sentiment is the feeling they DESERVE or are ENTITLED to some fictional level of perfection from a collection of fallible human beings, when the only thing a fan is reasonably entitled to is maximum effort on/off the field. Everything after that is a crapshoot.

 

[pittpnthrs]

The fact that we havent beaten a good team yet and struggled against some pretty bad teams kind of adds to the reaction. I guess we beat Miami but that was before they found themselves. They would beat the Hawks right now. This season is just another carbon copy of the last few years where the team gets bounced early on in the playoffs and some will eagerly accept that as long as they made it because they sucked in the 90's, while others will sit there scratching their heads in disbelief because others cant see the pattern and issues for some reason.

We haven't really played any bad teams outside of the Cowboys, and apart from a 4th quarter meltdown we handled them easily when they still had Dak Prescott playing at otherworldly levels.

The Patriots and Vikings would have winning records if we lost to them, the Falcons have lost 4 games by less than a TD (we also handed them their 2nd worst loss - by 13 points at home, with only the Packers having a better margin by 1 point at Lambeau), and the 49ers were out of sight for 4 quarters.

In our 3 losses Wilson turned the ball over 10 times - in his worst SEASON he had 14 turnovers, so while it is somewhat concerning you can also expect some improvement from a guy who has never been known for turning over the ball.

I believe you are greatly overestimating the Falcons, Patriots, and Vikings, but everybody is entitled to their opinions.

 

[OrangeGravy]

The fact that we havent beaten a good team yet and struggled against some pretty bad teams kind of adds to the reaction. I guess we beat Miami but that was before they found themselves. They would beat the Hawks right now. This season is just another carbon copy of the last few years where the team gets bounced early on in the playoffs and some will eagerly accept that as long as they made it because they sucked in the 90's, while others will sit there scratching their heads in disbelief because others cant see the pattern and issues for some reason.

We haven't really played any bad teams outside of the Cowboys, and apart from a 4th quarter meltdown we handled them easily when they still had Dak Prescott playing at otherworldly levels.

The Patriots and Vikings would have winning records if we lost to them, the Falcons have lost 4 games by less than a TD (we also handed them their 2nd worst loss - by 13 points at home, with only the Packers having a better margin by 1 point at Lambeau), and the 49ers were out of sight for 4 quarters.

In our 3 losses Wilson turned the ball over 10 times - in his worst SEASON he had 14 turnovers, so while it is somewhat concerning you can also expect some improvement from a guy who has never been known for turning over the ball.

Good post and shows how some view the team. It's by far perfect, it is not the train wreck others want it to be. And to be fair to this season, every team in the NFC has significant issues.

I also don't understand the notion that "other's can't see" the team's issues? Is that really what some detractor's think? That keeping the team and it's struggles in perspective is somehow blissful ignorance? It's a strange take, and one I've read far too many times by the same handful of people in thread after thread on here the last few weeks.

You now have posters who are so emotional about the team's struggles that they are actively promoting losses to demonstrate how right they are. Weird way to watch sports.

Most of this really comes down to style of play. Most of these people hate the style of play, win or lose. Win, they will complain about stats-margin of victory, etc...Lose and they will pull out all of the tropes about analytics, decision making, fire this or that coach. We should be doing what (insert hot coach/team of the moment is doing). Never mind that the hot coach or team of the moment hasn't won a SB yet, but it sure looks pretty. Most of us fans don't observe this game past the surface level we see from what little we glean from watching a few games and highlights. HIGHLIGHTS drive a lot of this. I think it's what makes fans yearn for the new shiny coaching style that the media is pushing in any current year of cycle. Fans don't see the ups and downs of other teams from game to game and play to play for the entire season. They get snapshots throughout the year of all of the good plays from a team having a good season and think that's what every play, drive, or game looks like.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Believing in the team and what they are capable of does NOT equal ignoring the issues. We ALL know the Defense has a lot of work to do. We ALL know that Russ has been in a slump. Being positive doesn't equal ignoring what is in front of you. However, assuming the worst and being happy about bad results? Very strange to say the least.
This team wins on a consistent basis, this team is in the mix, it's 2020 and we have football. Good God people, breathe in and enjoy something.
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[AgentDib]

Some fans have a hard time accepting that they don't have any control over their team's processes. They feel, for some odd reason, that they deserve better from their team no matter the record. They absolutely cannot accept that competition is fraught with random uncertainty no matter how prepared you are coming into it.

This has a lot to do with it. Fans who cannot accept that randomness plays a large part of player performances and coaching decisions tend to overreact in both directions. The ones who predict greatness after early successes are just a lot less annoying than the ones who predict doom and gloom after losses.

If Russ has a bad day and we lose, then a large part of the answer is just that Russ is human and like everybody has better days than others. My sport growing up was basketball, and I absolutely had some days where I carried my teams and then other days where I was just a little off. Of course it's worth having a discussion about what the opposing defenses do that makes it hard on him, but it's entirely possible that if everything stayed the same in a rematch Russ would just be better and things would look completely different.

Similarly, the outcomes of coaching decisions are heavily modified by randomness. A huge fraction of play calling is guess work. Sometimes we guess correctly and look smart by calling a blitz beater against a blitz. Sometimes we don't and look dumb when that blitzer drops into a throwing lane. Decisions in the kicking game are also usually incorrectly judged based on their outcome.

An excellent test for evaluating any analysis is to see whether they are also complaining about stuff that did work, or praising things that didn't work but probably should have. That distinguishes earnest criticism from venting.

 

[TwistedHusky]

Soulfish nailed it.

We have football at all. That is positive.

We are actually very fortunate.

For the last 2 years, it has been a revelation. For the 2-3 years before it, the games were brutal with sometimes the 1st halves being completely unwatchable. We ran the clock down. We sat on the ball. We barely even scored a single TD in the first half as an average.

It was awful, awful football to watch. Even in the Wins. It wasn't even great defense to watch. Just keep the games close so that Wilson could come back at the end. The comebacks were great. But the rest of the games? Ugh.

Now we have our offense. The past 2 years have had amazing spectator-friendly football.

Some of the greatest plays in Wilson's career were made this past 2 years. Incredible catches. The Emergency of Metcalf. Lockett catching the ball all over the yard, etc.

Admittedly, the defense could sometimes be so bad you felt you needed to shower after watching it because it felt so wrong. But the offense has been incredible, and in the past 2 years, for the first time Wilson has really shown what he could do when unleashed for 4 full quarters.

We haven't gone to another SB. But the Seahawks have been one of the better teams in the league for almost a decade. And Wilson has basically carried this team for the past 2.

We will likely never see this again. Certainly a QB his caliber will not manifest for a long time. One reason he takes so much blame is people expect so much of him. That he delivers so frequently is a testament to his greatness.




The current Seahawks team kind of feels like those old Mariner teams I grew up watching as a kid. Incredible offense. World-class stars known as the best in the game. Homeruns hit all over the place that racks up the scores, but also a ridiculous amount of scoring by the opponent and you get nervous every time you need to close the game out because you aren't sure the team can protect the lead. Fun to watch though if you are able to ignore all the scores they allow.

 

[Seahawkfan80]

People seem to conveniently forget it took a minor miracle to beat Minny and one play away from losing to New England. This team is average, and probably would be 2-14 with Geno Smith starting. it is okay to admit that.

Conveniently forget? Get over yourself. Wins are HARD to come by in this league. A smarter person cherishes each and every win, not getting caught up in the minutia of the game. Every fanbase of every team can play the "Well this could have happened or that could have happened..." game. It's pointless and brings nothing to the conversation.

Some fans have a hard time accepting that they don't have any control over their team's processes. They feel, for some odd reason, that they deserve better from their team no matter the record. They absolutely cannot accept that competition is fraught with random uncertainty no matter how prepared you are coming into it. The overarching sentiment is the feeling they DESERVE or are ENTITLED to some fictional level of perfection from a collection of fallible human beings, when the only thing a fan is reasonably entitled to is maximum effort on/off the field. Everything after that is a crapshoot.

The only thing I am, as a fan, entitled to is entertainment. It is how I deal with the entertainment that makes it enjoyable or disappointing. My choice.

Have a wonderful day.

 

[Ramfan128]

I'm just as positive/negative as I was after the first couple of games, so nothing's changed for me.

I never once thought this team was going 16-0, or even 14-2 after seeing how soft our schedule wound up being out of the gate and how bad the defense was.

I knew once we got into some injuries and our division, we'd come back down to earth.

I still like our division chances over the Rams and Cardinals though, because they've already played the easiest part of their schedules, and we haven't. But IMO this is a must win game Thursday if we want any chance of winning the division and being in the hunt for a #1 or #2 seed.

Lose this game, and we're back to scratching and clawing for a WC seed.

Great post and man, every Seahawks fan should think like this.

Tampa is an AWFUL match up for the Rams - we're going to get beat by 20 points Monday. You guys beat Arizona, you're back in the drivers seat. As you mention, losing to Arizona could mean you're out of the division race - biggest game of the season for Seattle.

I think everyone - Rams fans, Seahawk fans, McVay, even Russ - knew the Rams were going to win Sunday. Hell, most of you guys predicted it, then came here and bemoaned it, which doesn't make much sense to me.

This was our biggest game yet because we had already lost to the Niners, and then we'll face that again in two weeks when we're home for the Niners who just seem to have our number. Now the biggest game of the season for Seattle is coming up. If Arizona loses, the biggest game for them will be two weeks after that when the Rams come to town. And so on and so on..



Can we just take a step back and appreciate our division - we all have at least three games left against each other and it's going to come down to the wire.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Good points ^
Any of these 3 teams could take this division. All have their strengths and weaknesses. It makes it more fun when the division is tough.

 

[Uncle Si]

People seem to conveniently forget it took a minor miracle to beat Minny and one play away from losing to New England. This team is average, and probably would be 2-14 with Geno Smith starting. it is okay to admit that.

Conveniently forget? Get over yourself. Wins are HARD to come by in this league. A smarter person cherishes each and every win, not getting caught up in the minutia of the game. Every fanbase of every team can play the "Well this could have happened or that could have happened..." game. It's pointless and brings nothing to the conversation.

Some fans have a hard time accepting that they don't have any control over their team's processes. They feel, for some odd reason, that they deserve better from their team no matter the record. They absolutely cannot accept that competition is fraught with random uncertainty no matter how prepared you are coming into it. The overarching sentiment is the feeling they DESERVE or are ENTITLED to some fictional level of perfection from a collection of fallible human beings, when the only thing a fan is reasonably entitled to is maximum effort on/off the field. Everything after that is a crapshoot.

The only thing I am, as a fan, entitled to is entertainment. It is how I deal with the entertainment that makes it enjoyable or disappointing. My choice.

Have a wonderful day.

No offense, but you're not entitled to shit.

Rest is true, and starts with your choice to turn on the TV or not.