Pete is destroying Russell Wilson career

[SoulfishHawk]

Nothing is destroyed. Russ is a Hall of fame QB and has won more games than ANY QB in NFL history in his first 8 seasons.
The only thing that gets destroyed is the soul of the next opponent who's heart he rips out at the end of the game.
Yet, the few times him or the team don't get it done, they get bashed. Yeah, that makes sense.

 

[DomeHawk]

Nothing is destroyed. Russ is a Hall of fame QB and has won more games than ANY QB in NFL history in his first 8 seasons.
The only thing that gets destroyed is the soul of the next opponent who's heart he rips out at the end of the game.
Yet, the few times him or the team don't get it done, they get bashed. Yeah, that makes sense.

This whole eight years argument is so freaking tired. We are at an impasses, something has got to change.

 

[Hawkpower]

Nothing is destroyed. Russ is a Hall of fame QB and has won more games than ANY QB in NFL history in his first 8 seasons.
The only thing that gets destroyed is the soul of the next opponent who's heart he rips out at the end of the game.
Yet, the few times him or the team don't get it done, they get bashed. Yeah, that makes sense.

This whole eight years argument is so freaking tired. We are at an impasses, something has got to change.

An impasse? Got to change?

Are you under the impression that we are entitled to Super Bowl appearances? That making the playoffs is somehow just a given?

My word.

Consider the Saints. Brees. The idea that Peyton may be in trouble there is laughable. And yet here you are-and Seattle has arguably been better over the recent span.

 

[Largent80]

Dang, and I was hoping Russ would be our QB for the next 4 years....

Oh.....OK.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Nothing is destroyed. Russ is a Hall of fame QB and has won more games than ANY QB in NFL history in his first 8 seasons.
The only thing that gets destroyed is the soul of the next opponent who's heart he rips out at the end of the game.
Yet, the few times him or the team don't get it done, they get bashed. Yeah, that makes sense.

This whole eight years argument is so freaking tired. We are at an impasses, something has got to change.

There are about 30 other teams that'd love to be at an impasse like us.

- top 5 organization
- top 5 coach
- top 5 GM
- MVP caliber QB
- perennial playoff team

DAMN YOU IMPASSE WHY CAN'T WE BE SUCCESSFUL!!

 

[StoneCold]

Damn, you guys were busy last night.

So I'm still confused that the large majority of post loss frustration and criticism here and on Twitter is focused on how Pete uses Russell, and Pete's offensive philosophies don't work.

- Russell's in the top 5 in just about every QB category, and top 2 in TD's, explosive plays, etc.
- Offense was ranked #5
- Passing offense was ranked #3

So again why is everyone all over Pete with Russell? This forum and Twitter should be on fire with how bad our defense was this year (statistically the worst of any Pete Carroll season).

I'm all ears if people want to hold Pete's feet to the fire over the defense, and John for that matter. They're the ones who haven't successfully rebuilt the defense into a top 10 defense in order for us to really compete for another SB.

But wasting Russell, misusing Russell, or lol "destroying" Russell? Nah, not hearing that nonsense.

This whole thread should be burned to the ground. We lost to Greenbay because we couldn't overcome the many injuries. Sucks. Not an excuse, every team deals with it to a point, but it's the truth. Just the reality of football as a sport. 3/5ths of our Oline? Gone. 3 starting RB's? Gone. Add in that our D was not the best it's been and you have a glaringly obvious reasons we are not still in it.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

Impass? That's hilarious. This team is very close to being a serious contender. They have what 11 draft picks and some comp picks to be added? Plus 60 mil in cap space? They were one drive from being in the NFC Championship with the 2ND MOST games missed to injury in the entire league.

Yeah, this winning at a clip only surpassed by the Pats is really getting old. Winning all the time, having a top 3 QB in the league, very good ownership, a ton of talent and a bunch of draft picks and cap room coming up...…..

Things really suck around here.

 

[DomeHawk]

Impass? That's hilarious. This team is very close to being a serious contender. They have what 11 draft picks and some comp picks to be added? Plus 60 mil in cap space? They were one drive from being in the NFC Championship with the 2ND MOST games missed to injury in the entire league.

Yeah, this winning at a clip only surpassed by the Pats is really getting old. Winning all the time, having a top 3 QB in the league, very good ownership, a ton of talent and a bunch of draft picks and cap room coming up...…..

Things really suck around here.

We are not close to ANYTHING until Pete changes his approach or we have another miraculous draft.

 

[xray]

I don't think that Pete is destroying Wilson's career ; because he just doesn't get it anyway . Ignorance is bliss

 

[chris98251]

Impass? That's hilarious. This team is very close to being a serious contender. They have what 11 draft picks and some comp picks to be added? Plus 60 mil in cap space? They were one drive from being in the NFC Championship with the 2ND MOST games missed to injury in the entire league.

Yeah, this winning at a clip only surpassed by the Pats is really getting old. Winning all the time, having a top 3 QB in the league, very good ownership, a ton of talent and a bunch of draft picks and cap room coming up...…..

Things really suck around here.

We are not close to ANYTHING until Pete changes his approach or we have another miraculous draft.

Making the playoffs and 2 games from the Super Bowl sucks sweaty Nuts and we should shit can the staff and trade Wilson to whomever would want his sorry ass, trade everyone else for 6th and 7th round picks, fire Schneider and Jody should just sell off the team to Bezos for his toy collection so he can move them to Oakland when he gets a new deal with the City and Builds a Stadium himself.

That should settle all our problems and we won't have a bitch about the team.

 

[Hawkpower]

Impass? That's hilarious. This team is very close to being a serious contender. They have what 11 draft picks and some comp picks to be added? Plus 60 mil in cap space? They were one drive from being in the NFC Championship with the 2ND MOST games missed to injury in the entire league.

Yeah, this winning at a clip only surpassed by the Pats is really getting old. Winning all the time, having a top 3 QB in the league, very good ownership, a ton of talent and a bunch of draft picks and cap room coming up...…..

Things really suck around here.

We are not close to ANYTHING until Pete changes his approach or we have another miraculous draft.

Doubling down huh?

Yikes.

If Seattle "isnt close" then I feel bad for 98% of the NFL.

Probably better indeed burn this thread down before other NFL fans read it and die laughing. So ridiculous.

 

[DomeHawk]

Impass? That's hilarious. This team is very close to being a serious contender. They have what 11 draft picks and some comp picks to be added? Plus 60 mil in cap space? They were one drive from being in the NFC Championship with the 2ND MOST games missed to injury in the entire league.

Yeah, this winning at a clip only surpassed by the Pats is really getting old. Winning all the time, having a top 3 QB in the league, very good ownership, a ton of talent and a bunch of draft picks and cap room coming up...…..

Things really suck around here.

We are not close to ANYTHING until Pete changes his approach or we have another miraculous draft.

Making the playoffs and 2 games from the Super Bowl sucks sweaty Nuts and we should shit can the staff and trade Wilson to whomever would want his sorry ass, trade everyone else for 6th and 7th round picks, fire Schneider and Jody should just sell off the team to Bezos for his toy collection so he can move them to Oakland when he gets a new deal with the City and Builds a Stadium himself.

That should settle all our problems and we won't have a bitch about the team.

Seems like a radical approach, your usual, turn people's posts/thoughts into something they never said or even implied.

How about the coaching staff adapting a different approach that doesn't leave us in the hole every 1st half?

Is that too difficult a concept for you?

 

[RolandDeschain]

So I dig some digging into stats John so we can really see what this particular criticism looks like. Here are the splits for 2019 for the offense;

First Quarter:
Yards: 864
TD: 6

Second Quarter:
Yards: 1173
TD: 10

Third Quarter:
Yards: 735
TD: 7

Fourth Quarter:
Yards: 1171
TD: 7

So if you're keeping score at home that's 2,037 yards and 16 TD's in the first half of games this year, and 1,926 yards and 14 TD's in 2nd half of games.

There you have it, we not only have more yards in the first half, but more TD's. So while the fall behind too far narrative is certainly true for the Divisional round road games specifically................the narrative that we start too slow, and that's some sort of indictment on how Pete runs his offense is just not true. At least not anymore.

I await your non stats based knee jerk reaction based in feelings.

How about number of drives per quarter, and post that plus the above for the past few years as well.

 

[John63]

Faster starts in the 1st half are a real issue that can't just be ignored. Folding your arms and saying "this is what we do" and not adjusting is going to cost them more games in the future. Just because the formula works MOST of the time (mainly with Russ saving the day and/or overcoming crap 1st half predictable play calling) doesn't mean that it's no big deal. The D was brutal most of the time this season, yet they still went 11-5 and won a playoff game.
They look out place and confused on defense all the time imo.

So basically the system works 90% of the time so why change it. Hmm I don't know maybe to see if we can go for 95% of the time., The other question are we succeeding because of this system or despite it.? Also as it relates to the system since the end goal is the SB you could argue it has not worked since 2014. All mots of us are saying and a lot of experts is change one thing, stop wasting a half of football, stat using the uptempo/change tempo system from the beginning.

So I dig some digging into stats John so we can really see what this particular criticism looks like. Here are the splits for 2019 for the offense;

First Quarter:
Yards: 864
TD: 6

Second Quarter:
Yards: 1173
TD: 10

Third Quarter:
Yards: 735
TD: 7

Fourth Quarter:
Yards: 1171
TD: 7

So if you're keeping score at home that's 2,037 yards and 16 TD's in the first half of games this year, and 1,926 yards and 14 TD's in 2nd half of games.

There you have it, we not only have more yards in the first half, but more TD's. So while the fall behind too far narrative is certainly true for the Divisional round road games specifically................the narrative that we start too slow, and that's some sort of indictment on how Pete runs his offense is just not true. At least not anymore.

I await your non stats based knee jerk reaction based in feelings.

Hmm so here is the problem with your numbers Wilson theough for 4110 yards and 31 tds. Your numbers dont add up to that. So when you fix them then I will decide if I want to waste my time explaining to you why this changes nothing as you are telling half a story.

 

[sc85sis]

Without Pete, Russell Wilson is a third-round backup QB who was never given a chance to be a starter because of his height.

 

[OrangeGravy]

You're not gonna get an answer of any substance.

It has been said many times what change and adapt means. We all see it every 2nd half of a game were we fall behind. So let stop acting like it has bnpt been made clear.

It hasn't. Not one person has come out and given detailed answers on what specific plays and out of what formations those plays should be run and against what defensive looks we should be running those plays. You can't just say be more aggressive or less conservative. You can't just say stop holding Russell back or let Russell loose. If you're gonna say those things bring some "FOOTBALL" detail along with them or stop pretending to know what you're talking about. There isn't anyone on this forum that doesn't want them to score more points in the 1st half of games. Unless you can have that level of knowledge, STFU about it already.

What an idiotic post, we aren't coaches, there are many different plays, we are fanS BUT that doesn't mean we can't see the forest for the trees. And, quit talking "FOOTBALL" you probably were a scrub on your peewee team the way you talk.

It's obvious what's going on with the Seahawks. WE ARE FAR TOO PREDICTABLE AND WE STUBBORNLY RUN PLAYS THAT AREN'T WORKING!

There, is that simple enough for you?

Got it. Start running plays that work. Should be easy enough

 

[Tical21]

Faster starts in the 1st half are a real issue that can't just be ignored. Folding your arms and saying "this is what we do" and not adjusting is going to cost them more games in the future. Just because the formula works MOST of the time (mainly with Russ saving the day and/or overcoming crap 1st half predictable play calling) doesn't mean that it's no big deal. The D was brutal most of the time this season, yet they still went 11-5 and won a playoff game.
They look out place and confused on defense all the time imo.

So basically the system works 90% of the time so why change it. Hmm I don't know maybe to see if we can go for 95% of the time., The other question are we succeeding because of this system or despite it.? Also as it relates to the system since the end goal is the SB you could argue it has not worked since 2014. All mots of us are saying and a lot of experts is change one thing, stop wasting a half of football, stat using the uptempo/change tempo system from the beginning.

So I dig some digging into stats John so we can really see what this particular criticism looks like. Here are the splits for 2019 for the offense;

First Quarter:
Yards: 864
TD: 6

Second Quarter:
Yards: 1173
TD: 10

Third Quarter:
Yards: 735
TD: 7

Fourth Quarter:
Yards: 1171
TD: 7

So if you're keeping score at home that's 2,037 yards and 16 TD's in the first half of games this year, and 1,926 yards and 14 TD's in 2nd half of games.

There you have it, we not only have more yards in the first half, but more TD's. So while the fall behind too far narrative is certainly true for the Divisional round road games specifically................the narrative that we start too slow, and that's some sort of indictment on how Pete runs his offense is just not true. At least not anymore.

I await your non stats based knee jerk reaction based in feelings.

Hmm so here is the problem with your numbers Wilson theough for 4110 yards and 31 tds. Your numbers dont add up to that. So when you fix them then I will decide if I want to waste my time explaining to you why this changes nothing as you are telling half a story.

Should somebody tell him, or just let him continue to look like a genius?

 

[Tical21]

I think you can make a pretty compelling argument by watching a little tape that Russell Wilson is destroying Pete Carroll's career. Basically, any startable QB in the league would have gotten at least one ring when you have the best roster in the league for five years, most of the time by a pretty wide margin. How did we only end up with one?

 

[Seymour]

I think you can make a pretty compelling argument by watching a little tape that Russell Wilson is destroying Pete Carroll's career. Basically, any startable QB in the league would have gotten at least one ring when you have the best roster in the league for five years, most of the time by a pretty wide margin. How did we only end up with one?

Wow!! That takes some serious delusional and twisted thinking along with a revisionary mindset to even say that with a straight face.

Your Wilson hate is unparalleled, but congrats on the milestone of the dumbest opinion you've conjured up yet!!

 

[Sgt. Largent]

Faster starts in the 1st half are a real issue that can't just be ignored. Folding your arms and saying "this is what we do" and not adjusting is going to cost them more games in the future. Just because the formula works MOST of the time (mainly with Russ saving the day and/or overcoming crap 1st half predictable play calling) doesn't mean that it's no big deal. The D was brutal most of the time this season, yet they still went 11-5 and won a playoff game.
They look out place and confused on defense all the time imo.

So basically the system works 90% of the time so why change it. Hmm I don't know maybe to see if we can go for 95% of the time., The other question are we succeeding because of this system or despite it.? Also as it relates to the system since the end goal is the SB you could argue it has not worked since 2014. All mots of us are saying and a lot of experts is change one thing, stop wasting a half of football, stat using the uptempo/change tempo system from the beginning.

So I dig some digging into stats John so we can really see what this particular criticism looks like. Here are the splits for 2019 for the offense;

First Quarter:
Yards: 864
TD: 6

Second Quarter:
Yards: 1173
TD: 10

Third Quarter:
Yards: 735
TD: 7

Fourth Quarter:
Yards: 1171
TD: 7

So if you're keeping score at home that's 2,037 yards and 16 TD's in the first half of games this year, and 1,926 yards and 14 TD's in 2nd half of games.

There you have it, we not only have more yards in the first half, but more TD's. So while the fall behind too far narrative is certainly true for the Divisional round road games specifically................the narrative that we start too slow, and that's some sort of indictment on how Pete runs his offense is just not true. At least not anymore.

I await your non stats based knee jerk reaction based in feelings.

Hmm so here is the problem with your numbers Wilson theough for 4110 yards and 31 tds. Your numbers dont add up to that. So when you fix them then I will decide if I want to waste my time explaining to you why this changes nothing as you are telling half a story.

I literally posted the link three posts down from this one showing the entire offense, and it still proves my point. Our first half stats are almost dead equal to second half stats, and more TD's were scored in the first half this year.

Here it is again cause you're being obtuse and actually saw it but have no factual response so you're stalling.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/ ... qtr_splits

I know you and others like to beat the dead horse that is "Peteball is slow starting and we suck in the first half.".........and that was true a couple years ago. But in 2019 it was not true, our offense was far more balanced from half to half.

If we fell behind? It was because the defense stunk, not because of some offensive scheme you don't like.