PC and JS haters...

[Welshers]

Is this trade going to improve his game management, clock management, ability to adapt in games sooner, his unwillingness to see the writing in the wall when it comes to ineffective coaches and players sooner? His putrid win in the 4th quarter mentality? His play not to lose instead of play to win mentality. I love a winning season and a division title as much as the next guy, but at what point is that not good enough anymore?

We went for it on 4th and goal at the 2 when we were up 3 last week. Pete has been evolving with the times. Old Pete would have taken the 3. Haters gonna hate, lovers gonna appreciate!

A great deal of the ”constructive criticism” I see posted here is from fans who do not realize how good they've had it the last decade. Perfect? Nope. But pretty damned good.

I'm guessing there are fans of about 25-30 other teams that would take John and Pete in a heartbeat over the GM and coach they currently have. But yeah, go on with complaining.

Exactly this.

 

[Chapow]

Will you stop questioning them now? For at least a week? They HAVE a plan. They went and got Dunlap on a great deal, getting a pass rusher like everyone demanded. But haters still say "oh hes 31 and aging". Already seen it. Our staff make the moves that need to be made. They realized we needed to make changes and they did. Here's the thing: we have it so good. PC and JS have kept us winning and in the playoffs all but one year for the Wilson era. They make finds like DK in the draft. We are so lucky to have them and tons of fan bases would love to have the success that we have had. We are spoiled. And I give PC and JS all the credit for that. So I will trust them and I will back them.

Nope sorry. They are the reason we are in this mess with the potential to have the worst defense in NFL history.

They are also a big part of the reason why we are are 5-1 and tied for the best record in the NFC.

Also, Jamal Adams, Bruce Irvin, and Marquise Blair were a big part of the plan for the defense this season. Can't reasonably blame Pete and John for those guys being out with injuries.

I don't want them fired, but to say we shouldn't question the construction of this defense is ridiculous. They are on pace for the worst defense in NFL history. If you think that is mostly because of injuries I don't know what to say.

I don't know how much of that is due to injuries, but I certainly think we would be better with Adams, Irvin, and Blair then we are without them. Don't you?

And once again, I take issue with the "worst defense in NFL history" narrative. Yes, our defense has given up the most yards per game, but there are currently 9 teams in the league giving up more points per game than we are. And yes, being bottom 10 still sucks, but I don't think that we are worse than teams that are giving up more points per game than we are. Do you? The Cowboys are giving up almost 35 points per game, we are giving up almost 29. Are we worse than the Cowboys?

People can question the construction of the defense all they want, but it sure would be nice to see those same people acknowledge the fact that we are 5-1, currently tied with GB for best record in the NFC, and have the best offense in the NFL by both yards per game and points per game. But it sure seems like the most critical, vocal, pessimistic fans just disregard those things and do nothing but complain and declare the season doomed. As a 49er fan on this site said the other day, reading this forum you'd think we were 1-5, not 5-1.

 

[hawker84]

Is this trade going to improve his game management, clock management, ability to adapt in games sooner, his unwillingness to see the writing in the wall when it comes to ineffective coaches and players sooner? His putrid win in the 4th quarter mentality? His play not to lose instead of play to win mentality. I love a winning season and a division title as much as the next guy, but at what point is that not good enough anymore?

We went for it on 4th and goal at the 2 when we were up 3 last week. Pete has been evolving with the times. Old Pete would have taken the 3. Haters gonna hate, lovers gonna appreciate!

A great deal of the ”constructive criticism” I see posted here is from fans who do not realize how good they've had it the last decade. Perfect? Nope. But pretty damned good.

I'm guessing there are fans of about 25-30 other teams that would take John and Pete in a heartbeat over the GM and coach they currently have. But yeah, go on with complaining.

Exactly this.

Typical you're a hater if you don't agree with me spiel. Not here to argue here to voice my opinion, whether that suits your fancy or not....I really could care less..

 

[ZagHawk]

I like the country I live in and should be grateful for my freedoms vs other countries... so I must not ever question anything regarding the decisions my politicians make...OP that's what you sound like.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Maelstrom,

Isn't 'haterade' subjective though?

Carroll (and JS) delivered one of the greatest strings of winning to this franchise ever.

And without him, Wilson might not have even started for us. But how much of the winning after our SB loss was really due to Carroll and how much was Wilson dragging a team, filled with gaping holes, forward despite all the shortcomings?

Worse, how many wins did we leave on the table because we rigidly enforced tactics and strategy that poorly matched our personnel?

Is it 'haterade' to wonder why a first ballot HOF QB has few playoff successes past the wildcard in the past 5 years? Primarily because we thought not using the HOF QB until the 4th was a great playoff strategy?

Is that hate? Or just are realization that people can do great things and still have weaknesses and predilections that can hurt chances for success if not accounted for?

You do realize we disagree on less than you think we do, right?

There are totally valid philosophical criticisms of the front office. That's not being questioned.

There are valid criticisms, and then there is haterade that amount to poorly strung together fallacies and falsehoods.

This franchise is relatively successful, and has been. Consistently. You'd think the ratio of praise to criticism would be more in line with that, but it isn't. You, as well as I, know that there are several detractors here that will detract regardless of what happens, even in the face of logic.

See, the thing about criticism is that they should be held to a higher standard. They should be solid, sourced, logical arguments - because the criticism is being made against a perennially successful unit.

Thing is, they rarely are. They're generally arguments against draft classes, made with the benefit of hindsight and without the data to actually back them up... or arguments about ATV accidents, with the benefit of hindsight... that's haterade. Stuff that in now way tracks, and there is a ton of it.

Haterade is subjective, sure. But nowhere near as subjective as most of the criticisms being made here.

 

[kf3339]

Maelstrom,

Isn't 'haterade' subjective though?

Carroll (and JS) delivered one of the greatest strings of winning to this franchise ever.

And without him, Wilson might not have even started for us. But how much of the winning after our SB loss was really due to Carroll and how much was Wilson dragging a team, filled with gaping holes, forward despite all the shortcomings?

Worse, how many wins did we leave on the table because we rigidly enforced tactics and strategy that poorly matched our personnel?

Is it 'haterade' to wonder why a first ballot HOF QB has few playoff successes past the wildcard in the past 5 years? Primarily because we thought not using the HOF QB until the 4th was a great playoff strategy?

Is that hate? Or just are realization that people can do great things and still have weaknesses and predilections that can hurt chances for success if not accounted for?

^ This is very true. Carroll has done many great things for this team, but it shouldn't mean some of the shortcomings can't be discussed or pointed out by anyone on this board. If anything, that is exactly why a board like this exists in the first place. We all have opinions and should be able to express them without "ANOTHER" thread calling anyone out again, and again, and again. It gets old.

 

[NJlargent]

Everyone knew we needed DL. So we got Adams.

Russell would have multiple rings with many coaches. Just not here.

 

[Maelstrom787]

Everyone knew we needed DL. So we got Adams.

Russell would have multiple rings with many coaches. Just not here.

See, this is the stuff I'm talking about. This is not nuanced critique. It completely ignores the well-documented fact that everyone here bemoaned the subpar secondary play last year and portrays an inaccurate picture of defensive line being the only need that was observed.

This is where the "haterade" part comes in. Just drive-by pessimism with little to no substance.

 

[oldhawkfan]

I guess consistent winning isn’t enough for some people. Winning is only good if you win with style?

 

[sc85sis]

Everyone knew we needed DL. So we got Adams.

Russell would have multiple rings with many coaches. Just not here.

Perhaps. It's also possible he would be sitting on the bench as a backup. Let's not forget that pretty much every coach and pundit thought he was too short, blah blah.

John wanted Russell and made it a point to get him. Pete made it a point to let Russ compete. There is no guarantee any other team would have done so.

 

[Chapow]

Everyone knew we needed DL. So we got Adams.

Russell would have multiple rings with many coaches. Just not here.

Kinda like how Aaron Rodgers would have multiple rings with many coaches, just not in Green Bay?

Or how Drew Brees would have multiple rings with many coaches, just not in New Orleans?

Or perhaps you might just be taking for granted how difficult it is to win a Superbowl in the NFL, let alone multiple Superbowls.

 

[Welshers]

I like the country I live in and should be grateful for my freedoms vs other countries... so I must not ever question anything regarding the decisions my politicians make...OP that's what you sound like.

It's not about that. I understand people having constructive criticism for the team. That's fair. But there has been a strong abundance of negativity that really is nothing short of puzzling. Even fans from other boards have came here and been like "it's like you guys are 1-5 not 5-1". I'm just saying people should appreciate where were are at a little more. I understand some of the criticism. The defense has been plain bad. But it's gone overboard at times, if you ask me.

5-1 Seattle Seahawks, tied for 1st in the NFC and 1st in the NFC West through 7 Weeks. #1 offense in the game.

 

[LTH]

I like the country I live in and should be grateful for my freedoms vs other countries... so I must not ever question anything regarding the decisions my politicians make...OP that's what you sound like.

Thats BS...

Half you guys dont even understand whats going on...the season is a time of development and adjustment... the Hawks have big contracts (like Wilson) it's not like they are going to go out and sign top notch players... managing the cap is a art.. they have to find deals and develop players... this takes time and patience...

Players like the LOB dont come along every day.... those guys were special...Hawks had to break them up cause they could not afford to pay them..

The negativity is ridiculous some times... the media ramps all this stuff up cause they need ratings guys like Softy who take a position to get people to argue with him...

Get a life!!


LTH

 

[oldhawkfan]

5-1 Seattle Seahawks, tied for 1st in the NFC and 1st in the NFC West through 7 Weeks. #1 offense in the game.

If you or anyone would have been able to look into a crystal ball and told me the above facts, I would have been elated. Like I said in an earlier post, I guess style points mean more to some than actual winning. Enjoy the ride, trust the process!

 

[evergreen]

This criticism of Pete is worthwhile if it’s directed at those mistakes that really mattered. Be mad for not having you lob hold Atlanta’s receivers and give up a few five yard penalties and win the game. Be mad we didn’t try two first half field goals against Carolina in the first half so our 24 point second half could make it a field goal. Blame him for Michael Bennett going offside against Brady in 49 when all we had to do was stuff the whole sneak. Although we’ll never know I’ll bet he was never gonna bike it. He’s completely turned a corner with analytics going for it now and not taking the field goal. He never takes them!

 

[jamescasey1124]

Will you stop questioning them now? For at least a week? They HAVE a plan. They went and got Dunlap on a great deal, getting a pass rusher like everyone demanded. But haters still say "oh hes 31 and aging". Already seen it. Our staff make the moves that need to be made. They realized we needed to make changes and they did. Here's the thing: we have it so good. PC and JS have kept us winning and in the playoffs all but one year for the Wilson era. They make finds like DK in the draft. We are so lucky to have them and tons of fan bases would love to have the success that we have had. We are spoiled. And I give PC and JS all the credit for that. So I will trust them and I will back them.

Nope sorry. They are the reason we are in this mess with the potential to have the worst defense in NFL history.

Yeah because of coverage not pass rush, but pete trusts his players to get better rather than replacing them. Something good coaches do otherwise coaching is non existent. If wr improve covering open men than we as a defense move into top ten. Not pass rush. Chill if they can coach we will see.

 

[Tusc2000]

5-1 Seattle Seahawks, tied for 1st in the NFC and 1st in the NFC West through 7 Weeks. #1 offense in the game.

I have no problems with where we are right now. Some posters are just never happy.

 

[getnasty]

What a mess this team is. I mean damn 5-1 and the best record in the NFC. Time to blow it up.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

6-1
top seed


5-5
Trade Wags
Fire Pete and John