# of OCs and DCs Seahawks have had since SB win

[Mizak]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

 

[John63]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

Correct and combined with what KJ said and others well there you have it. It's also the reason he will never get rid of Wilson. With Wilson he has a chance to win enough despite the HC and gives him a whipping boy that some fans and so-called radio personalities will gladly blame instead of looking at the real issue.

That aside if and it's a huge if PC learned from the last 2 games and keeps his nose out of the offense we should have a good chance.

 

[Jville]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

Does that include those who were hired away by other teams as a result of their success in Pete Carroll's program?

 

[John63]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

Does that include those who were hired away by other teams as a result of their success in Pete Carroll's program?

Well its actually 4 ocs and 4 dcs
Ocs
Waldron
Schotty
Bevel
Bates

all 3 of the OCs not still here were fired

DCs
Bradley He left for HC, we he was fired adn then became a DC again
Quinn left to be HC failed
Richard Fired
Norton Fired

So 8 OCs And DCs. 1 new and still here. So that is 7 no longer with us. 5 of the 7 fired or 72%.

 

[Jville]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

Does that include those who were hired away by other teams as a result of their success in Pete Carroll's program?

Well its actually 4 ocs and 4 dcs
Ocs
Waldron
Schotty
Bevel
Bates

all 3 of the OCs not still here were fired

DCs
Bradley He left for HC, we he was fired adn then became a DC again
Quinn left to be HC failed
Richard Fired
Norton Fired

So 8 OCs And DCs. 1 new and still here. So that is 7 no longer with us. 5 of the 7 fired or 72%.

So what is the turn over frequency?

 

[John63]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

Does that include those who were hired away by other teams as a result of their success in Pete Carroll's program?

Well its actually 4 ocs and 4 dcs
Ocs
Waldron
Schotty
Bevel
Bates

all 3 of the OCs not still here were fired

DCs
Bradley He left for HC, we he was fired adn then became a DC again
Quinn left to be HC failed
Richard Fired
Norton Fired

So 8 OCs And DCs. 1 new and still here. So that is 7 no longer with us. 5 of the 7 fired or 72%.

So what is the turnover frequency?

well, lets see PC has been here 12 years and has had 4 DCS and 4 OCs. out of the 8, 1 is still here leaving 7 so every 1.7 years on avg.

 

[pittpnthrs]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

Does that include those who were hired away by other teams as a result of their success in Pete Carroll's program?

Sure. How many OC's was that? You can include Cable in that group too as he was a co-oc with Bevell.

 

[Jville]

So what is the relevance of that turn over?

How does it compare to the other 31 teams in the league?

What does the league's distribution curve look like?

 

[John63]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

Does that include those who were hired away by other teams as a result of their success in Pete Carroll's program?

Sure. How many OC's was that? You can include Cable in that group too as he was a co-oc with Bevell.

Well that makes 9 with left leaving 8 and that means a change every 1.5 years on avg. And yet same old defense and same old offense. Hmm only constant PC.

 

[John63]

So what is the relevance of that turn over?

How does it compare to the other 31 teams in the league?

What does the league's distribution curve look like?

Go figure it out, I don't have to. We have changed DC or oc every 1m5 years on avg. Same issues have existed. Only constant...PC

 

[olyfan63]

Dan Quinn made it to a Super Bowl as HC of Falcons. Would've tied Pete at 1 Lombardi, but... Brady.

 

[hinton]

And in todays episode of "Forced narrative to suit my agenda" we have todays topic...

 

[Maelstrom787]

So what is the relevance of that turn over?

How does it compare to the other 31 teams in the league?

What does the league's distribution curve look like?

Go figure it out, I don't have to. We have changed DC or oc every 1m5 years on avg. Same issues have existed. Only constant...PC

You should probably figure it out yourself if you actually want to be taken seriously.

Can't really neg Seattle on turnover frequency if you can't even prove that it's a higher turnover than the rest of the league on average, now can ya?

Think you'll be surprised by what you find.

 

[pittpnthrs]

So what is the relevance of that turn over?

How does it compare to the other 31 teams in the league?

What does the league's distribution curve look like?

Go figure it out, I don't have to. We have changed DC or oc every 1m5 years on avg. Same issues have existed. Only constant...PC

You should probably figure it out yourself if you actually want to be taken seriously.

Can't really neg Seattle on turnover frequency if you can't even prove that it's a higher turnover than the rest of the league on average, now can ya?

Think you'll be surprised by what you find.

I would be really surprised if any team in the NFL other than Seattle has fired 3 or 4 OC's in the period that Pete Carroll has been here.

 

[SoulfishHawk]

No doubt ^
There's a lot to be said about stability.

 

[jammerhawk]

Lots of speculation here that turnover of the OC or DC is not reasonably consistent with league norms but somehow as mentioned it is a seeming factor in the the Anti-Pete agendas of those who will accept no other view but their own.

Was the O working?

Was the D working?

That truly is all that needs to be assessed as to whether any coordinator was worth keeping.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

3 for OC and 4 for DC including the future new hiring right? That makes it a new OC every 2 and a half years and a new DC every 2 years. And the Head Coach is still here. I think we all know who the actual problem is. The guy whos not held to accountability, who does not take responsibility for the team’s disappointing seasons from those 8 years.

This is an incorrect comparison.

All the D-coordinators left for head coaching jobs except for Richard, who was immediately hired by Dallas. The O-coordinators were fired.

While I agree that Pete's accountable, as is every head coach. The problem I've always had with the coordinator hiring and firing is our offense has been a top 5-10 offense since Pete arrived, yet we go through O-coordinators every 1-2 years, and our defense hasn't been good since 2014? 2015?

That's my confusion. Although I know the answer, Pete's desperately trying to make his QB happy, and since the defense is his baby, he really doesn't care who the coordinator is as long as they run his system. Thus why Norton was here as long as he was.

 

[pittpnthrs]

Lots of speculation here that turnover of the OC or DC is not reasonably consistent with league norms but somehow as mentioned it is a seeming factor in the the Anti-Pete agendas of those who will accept no other view but their own.

Was the O working?

Was the D working?

That truly is all that needs to be assessed as to whether any coordinator was worth keeping.

When you have that many OC's getting the can in that span of time, was the Offense ever working? One cant help but to think what the one constant was.

 

[pittpnthrs]

That's my confusion. Although I know the answer, Pete's desperately trying to make his QB happy, and since the defense is his baby, he really doesn't care who the coordinator is as long as they run his system. Thus why Norton was here as long as he was.

I'm curious Sarge, can you elaborate a bit more about the offense and the trying to make the QB happy? I think we might be on the same page, but I dont want to misunderstand you before I comment.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

That's my confusion. Although I know the answer, Pete's desperately trying to make his QB happy, and since the defense is his baby, he really doesn't care who the coordinator is as long as they run his system. Thus why Norton was here as long as he was.

I'm curious Sarge, can you elaborate a bit more about the offense and the trying to make the QB happy? I think we might be on the same page, but I dont want to misunderstand you before I comment.

Well if you're looking at our offense over the past 10 years, it's been a top 10 offense in just about every important metric.

TD's, scoring, yards, etc. And it's QB has been a top 10 QB, top 5 even some years in all those same metrics.

So why three coordinators in 4 years? Only logical answer is Russell even with all his success was still not happy with how the offense was being run, thus a new coordinator every year or two.

Why else would you fire a successful O-coordinator?