No Respect

[Sarlacc83]

I agree. Whole lotta harbaughing going on here. King lazy? Guy is one of the most thoughful and dedicated guys in his business. But hey he correctly doesn't favor the odds. So lets make a fat joke and then start weeping about respect. . . That takes effort and hard work!

act like you've been there before, guys. Cuz unlike any other season, you have.

No he's not. He's a corporate shill who accepts gifts for in article advertisement; he openly mocks players who don't give him access; he spends half of MMQB talking about the Red Sox; he's a mouthpiece for Goodell; he whines and gripes about his first world problems, particularly poor service at Starbucks of all places; and he has zero idea how to write properly.

He has a dream job and he spends his time not giving a damn about real reporting.

 

[Skansi82]

I love the lack of respect from the media and I hope they keep it coming. It's what keeps our team edgy and hungry, and what keeps the 12th Man salty and loud. I don't blame people who pick against the Hawks repeating. I love everything about this team and the way the FO runs it, but us winning the Superbowl again is a long shot. So was us winning the big one last year, or Russell being a viable NFL quarterback, or Sweezy being a strength instead of a weakness.

Foregone conclusions and automatics are boring. The nervous energy leading up to a game followed by the relief and almost "high" feel after the Hawks beat down another opponent is what makes it all so special. The media haters are good at keeping that tiny seed of doubt alive and in play. No matter how much success the Seahawks have I'll still always be a little bitter about all of the blown Bobby Ayala saves, idiotic trades, losing the Sonics, bad officiating in the Superbowl, Dave Kreig fumbles, Seahawks highlights getting no love on SportCenter, etc..

Signed,

ATM Angry Twelfth Man

 

[drdiags]

I cannot agree with this idea. This team gets more respect than any Seahawks team ever. Mike Holmgren's teams were not highly thought of. Chuck Knox's junk yard dogs were thought more a nuisance and that blight that was the 90's, hell I didn't respect them either so no way would NFL writers think much of them.

I don't want group think, just honest opinions. If those opinions are more based on an agenda, well they do have to make a living. No NFL blogger/writer/reporter worth his/her salt is going to be totally dismissive of the team. Even Prisco would only go so far dismissing the team's accomplishment.

As a Seahawks fan, sure it would be great to have 24/7 of butt kissing by the entire world all year, but after awhile I bet that would get old.

 

[Hawknballs]

And yet everyone loves Peter King when he gives Richard Sherman his own forum.

By your definition every sports writer in america employed by any successful network is a 'corporate shill'. To be a real writer with a valid opinion, you need to just be unemployed with a blog!

 

[Thunderhawk]

English has a nice rebuttal to this on Seahawks Draft Blog.

But, really, who cares what the media says?

 

[Sarlacc83]

And yet everyone loves Peter King when he gives Richard Sherman his own forum.

By your definition every sports writer in america employed by any successful network is a 'corporate shill'. To be a real writer with a valid opinion, you need to just be unemployed with a blog!

Wow, that last statement. Talk about a flailing attempt at a rebuttal. Pity I'm not a sports blogger since you seem to think that would hurt me, but I do see how you're lashing out because you just got your argument crushed. (It's hard not to notice how little you could come up with, by the way.)

However, for the sake of completeness, let me elucidate what you've so clearly missed: Peter King does not have opinions of his own concerning products. He has them spoon fed to him by sponsors, so that anybody who's still foolish enough to read his drivel gets to read about how awesome, for instance, EvoShield is, because they gave him a bus for his tour! Now, this wouldn't even bad if he acknowledged the potential conflict of interest, but King blunders ahead because everything is about him. He's lazy and oblivious, so he'll accept free stuff without a care in the world. Because he operates by one rule: Do stuff for me. Then I'll care! But you go ahead and argue your strawman.

I don't have much more to add to this, as I've already stated a clear case against Petey, so head on over to http://www.kissingsuzykolber.com and read some of the Fun With Peter King articles. (The older ones are a bit better, because they recently switched formats where they no longer pull specific quotes - which makes sense, because Peter King does the same damn stupid things over and over and over leaving very little left to say.) I have merely summarized; there you can get examples.Which you might not want to do since it could possibly shatter your view of the bloviating idiot.

 

[Sgt. Largent]

TO THE DISRESPECT-MOBILE!

 

[volsunghawk]

Peter King does the same damn stupid things over and over and over leaving very little left to say.

True. But you know who's worse? Gregg Easterbrook (TMQ). I haven't read anything from him in years because it was the same boring cliched phrases over and over again. You got the sense that he found some of the things he said so clever that he decided to trot it out again and again until it became his "thing."

 

[Sarlacc83]

Peter King does the same damn stupid things over and over and over leaving very little left to say.

True. But you know who's worse? Gregg Easterbrook (TMQ). I haven't read anything from him in years because it was the same boring cliched phrases over and over again. You got the sense that he found some of the things he said so clever that he decided to trot it out again and again until it became his "thing."

Totally. King is lazy and bored; Easterbrook is Washington DC pretentious.

 

[gowazzu02]

I love the lack of respect from the media and I hope they keep it coming. It's what keeps our team edgy and hungry, and what keeps the 12th Man salty and loud. I don't blame people who pick against the Hawks repeating. I love everything about this team and the way the FO runs it, but us winning the Superbowl again is a long shot. So was us winning the big one last year, or Russell being a viable NFL quarterback, or Sweezy being a strength instead of a weakness.

Foregone conclusions and automatics are boring. The nervous energy leading up to a game followed by the relief and almost "high" feel after the Hawks beat down another opponent is what makes it all so special. The media haters are good at keeping that tiny seed of doubt alive and in play. No matter how much success the Seahawks have I'll still always be a little bitter about all of the blown Bobby Ayala saves, idiotic trades, losing the Sonics, bad officiating in the Superbowl, Dave Kreig fumbles, Seahawks highlights getting no love on SportCenter, etc..

Signed,

ATM Angry Twelfth Man

LOVE IT! Thats why this team and this time is so special. The only people who get more worked up over the talking heads then the 12th man, is the freaking players! You know ADB and Sherman read all of that. You know they're sharing that with Earl, You know Earl is tazmanian devil tornadoing around the locker room right now!

 

[The Radish]

We got dissed #567324.

Exactly,,,,,,bring on the clowns

:roll:

 

[Popeyejones]

Just from an outsider's perspective (and sincerely not trolling):

The Hawks have been well-deserved national media darlings since late into the 2012/2013 season. Even after losing to Atlanta in the divisional that year the team was still (deservedly) getting the majority of offseason love. To be clear, I think this is how it should be because the Hawks delivered on their promise and have been awesome since midway of 2012/2013.

Here's the part where I'll be accused of trolling: I think as fans you guys have a well worn narrative of being underdogs and ignored and not given the respect you deserve. I think to some degree that narrative has been forced to butt up against the reality of the last two years. As such, for some folks there's some cognitive dissonance, and any time someone says something incredibly benign (i.e. the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but going back-to-back is really hard) it's taken by some as "more of the same" and "yet another" epic slight. It's just not, though.

If we've learned anything in the last two years, it's that it was never an East Coast media bias or a legacy team media bias or anything else, it's just that the Hawks weren't ever consistently great for an extended period of time. The 9ers were crap through the first decade of the 2000s but in terms of media attention they still got it because of the 80s and 90s. It's the same story with the Cowboys now. If the Hawks put a few more great seasons together it will be the same story for them. And right now, when someone says the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but repeating is really hard, that's them giving the team their due. It's not a slight (they're acknowledged by almost all as the best team in the NFL!) even though some Hawks fans are well-trained in trying to hunt slights out.

 

[TXHawk]

Just from an outsider's perspective (and sincerely not trolling):

The Hawks have been well-deserved national media darlings since late into the 2012/2013 season. Even after losing to Atlanta in the divisional that year the team was still (deservedly) getting the majority of offseason love. To be clear, I think this is how it should be because the Hawks delivered on their promise and have been awesome since midway of 2012/2013.

Here's the part where I'll be accused of trolling: I think as fans you guys have a well worn narrative of being underdogs and ignored and not given the respect you deserve. I think to some degree that narrative has been forced to butt up against the reality of the last two years. As such, for some folks there's some cognitive dissonance, and any time someone says something incredibly benign (i.e. the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but going back-to-back is really hard) it's taken by some as "more of the same" and "yet another" epic slight. It's just not, though.

If we've learned anything in the last two years, it's that it was never an East Coast media bias or a legacy team media bias or anything else, it's just that the Hawks weren't ever consistently great for an extended period of time. The 9ers were crap through the first decade of the 2000s but in terms of media attention they still got it because of the 80s and 90s. It's the same story with the Cowboys now. If the Hawks put a few more great seasons together it will be the same story for them. And right now, when someone says the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but repeating is really hard, that's them giving the team their due. It's not a slight (they're acknowledged by almost all as the best team in the NFL!) even though some Hawks fans are well-trained in trying to hunt slights out.

I agree with this for the most part although I disagree about the east coast bias. It's not so much a bias as it is a very parochial focus on the east coast teams and a few big legacy teams like the Cowboys and 49ers. That's why a franchise like the Jets gets endless stories about them despite the fact they haven't done much since the Joe Namath era. Any team outside that sphere pretty much has to force its way into the discussion like the Seahawks have done over the past couple of years.

But I am geting tired of seeing the No Respect card being played, though. You can't turn on a sports station these days without hearing about the Seahawks or seeing some Seahawks related commercial.

 

[Largent80]

If you are a longtime Hawk fan, you just don't give a shit about media. Look at all the super bowl forecasts.

Willie McGinest was one of the only people to pick us and he picked us to blow them out. The majority of these pundits are either trying to piss off people so they get hits on their sites which equals $, or they are simply going with the trendy, sexy pick.

To me the sexy trendy pick should be the Hawks, but hey, last year was exactly the same, and look how that turned out.

 

[BlueBlood]

Keep throwin them coals on the fire. It's just getting hotter and hotter!!!! :stirthepot:

 

[Cartire]

I dont see the media disprespect. My reply above was simply the illogical reasoning of PK.

By stating that he thinks were the best, and yet not picking us, hes basically just hedging his bet. If we dont win, he can say he told us so "Its just to hard to repeat". If we do win the super bowl again, he can say "Well, I did say they were the best team, I was just going off of past statistics."

 

[Hawks46]

Just from an outsider's perspective (and sincerely not trolling):

The Hawks have been well-deserved national media darlings since late into the 2012/2013 season. Even after losing to Atlanta in the divisional that year the team was still (deservedly) getting the majority of offseason love. To be clear, I think this is how it should be because the Hawks delivered on their promise and have been awesome since midway of 2012/2013.

Here's the part where I'll be accused of trolling: I think as fans you guys have a well worn narrative of being underdogs and ignored and not given the respect you deserve. I think to some degree that narrative has been forced to butt up against the reality of the last two years. As such, for some folks there's some cognitive dissonance, and any time someone says something incredibly benign (i.e. the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but going back-to-back is really hard) it's taken by some as "more of the same" and "yet another" epic slight. It's just not, though.

If we've learned anything in the last two years, it's that it was never an East Coast media bias or a legacy team media bias or anything else, it's just that the Hawks weren't ever consistently great for an extended period of time. The 9ers were crap through the first decade of the 2000s but in terms of media attention they still got it because of the 80s and 90s. It's the same story with the Cowboys now. If the Hawks put a few more great seasons together it will be the same story for them. And right now, when someone says the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but repeating is really hard, that's them giving the team their due. It's not a slight (they're acknowledged by almost all as the best team in the NFL!) even though some Hawks fans are well-trained in trying to hunt slights out.

Good post and I agree. For the record, I never claimed disrespect, and my last comment was meant that I hoped the players felt disrespected as that's their biggest motivator.

It IS lazy journalism though, whether by King or whomever. The analyst will say we're the most talented team in the NFL, the deepest, they talk about a healthy Harvin and how many weapons we have on offense, how good Wilson looks and how we have the best defense in the league, then go "well, since it hasn't been done in 10 years, they won't do it" What ?

The 04 Pats have nothing to do with us. We don't play the same division, the same teams, we have different personnel, depth, etc. So claiming something hasn't happened in 10 years, or a team that did something 10 years ago has no bearing on us specifically. Yes, we know it's all hard, but to say we're the best team, yet generally discount our chances is lazy. You don't have to bring specific analysis because "well hell, it hasn't been done in 10 years".

People said the same thing about Wilson. He wasn't going to be any good because historically, short QBs struggle. It didn't matter how well Russ read defenses, his athleticism, leadership, intangibles and tangible physical talent didn't matter as 'you have to be over 6' to be successful at QB".

There's ALWAYS an outlier. Being lazy doesn't change that.

 

[hawker84]

What no love as the SB favorites from the national media? Sweet..... Repeat.....

If nobody wants to hear you, smack em upside the head and make them listen, just like the last two years....

What's Next!!!

 

[Erebus]

The majority of these pundits are either trying to piss off people so they get hits on their sites which equals $, or they are simply going with the trendy, sexy pick.

This is exactly right. My supervisor used to have an internship at Bleacher Report. They told him they wanted to promote him to a paid position but first they needed to see some "scandal" from him. If he's not generating a controversy, he isn't doing his job. He quit on the spot.

BR, like most media outlets, only cares about ratings and clicks. They don't care one bit about journalistic integrity.

 

[Erebus]

Just from an outsider's perspective (and sincerely not trolling):

The Hawks have been well-deserved national media darlings since late into the 2012/2013 season. Even after losing to Atlanta in the divisional that year the team was still (deservedly) getting the majority of offseason love. To be clear, I think this is how it should be because the Hawks delivered on their promise and have been awesome since midway of 2012/2013.

Here's the part where I'll be accused of trolling: I think as fans you guys have a well worn narrative of being underdogs and ignored and not given the respect you deserve. I think to some degree that narrative has been forced to butt up against the reality of the last two years. As such, for some folks there's some cognitive dissonance, and any time someone says something incredibly benign (i.e. the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but going back-to-back is really hard) it's taken by some as "more of the same" and "yet another" epic slight. It's just not, though.

If we've learned anything in the last two years, it's that it was never an East Coast media bias or a legacy team media bias or anything else, it's just that the Hawks weren't ever consistently great for an extended period of time. The 9ers were crap through the first decade of the 2000s but in terms of media attention they still got it because of the 80s and 90s. It's the same story with the Cowboys now. If the Hawks put a few more great seasons together it will be the same story for them. And right now, when someone says the Hawks are the best team in the NFL but repeating is really hard, that's them giving the team their due. It's not a slight (they're acknowledged by almost all as the best team in the NFL!) even though some Hawks fans are well-trained in trying to hunt slights out.

Good post and I agree. For the record, I never claimed disrespect, and my last comment was meant that I hoped the players felt disrespected as that's their biggest motivator.

It IS lazy journalism though, whether by King or whomever. The analyst will say we're the most talented team in the NFL, the deepest, they talk about a healthy Harvin and how many weapons we have on offense, how good Wilson looks and how we have the best defense in the league, then go "well, since it hasn't been done in 10 years, they won't do it" What ?

The 04 Pats have nothing to do with us. We don't play the same division, the same teams, we have different personnel, depth, etc. So claiming something hasn't happened in 10 years, or a team that did something 10 years ago has no bearing on us specifically. Yes, we know it's all hard, but to say we're the best team, yet generally discount our chances is lazy. You don't have to bring specific analysis because "well hell, it hasn't been done in 10 years".

People said the same thing about Wilson. He wasn't going to be any good because historically, short QBs struggle. It didn't matter how well Russ read defenses, his athleticism, leadership, intangibles and tangible physical talent didn't matter as 'you have to be over 6' to be successful at QB".

There's ALWAYS an outlier. Being lazy doesn't change that.

I agree with this, and I want to point out to everyone that 10 years only means 10 champions with a chance to repeat. That's a very small sample size.