Niners vs Cowboys

[Popeyejones]

^^^^ LOL

Can't help it. Just the way I post and the way I talk. I already know what the response will be and I counter the response I know is coming.

BTW, Gore and Hyde combined for 5.0 YPC, not 4.8.

 

[Marvin49]

^^^^ LOL

Can't help it. Just the way I post and the way I talk. I already know what the response will be and I counter the response I know is coming.

BTW, Gore and Hyde combined for 5.0 YPC, not 4.8.

oops...divided by 24 for some reason. 23 combined carries.

 

[Marvin49]

Marv getting fired up. Thanks for pointing out how terrible Russell was. We were on the fence about him but I think we've seen the light after that post.

Time to start T-Jack. Russ can't even out perform Kaeperdink.

LOL...

..I know yer pullin' my chain, but you know I ain't being critical of Wilson. Dudes a stud.

I took it easy on you for not touting it as a road win

hehehe

Judging from the sea of red in the stands, I'm not sure I could make that claim anyway.

 

[Sports Hernia]

Talking about that last game is really no different than talking about a preseason game. There are no style points in football and to me there was nothing to be learned from whatever that game was.

The Niners took care of business as they should have. The Cowboys gave them every opportunity to make it easy on the Niners, what was SF supposed to do? Play like they were behind? SC didn't need to risk anything, so why would they? We have seen the Hawks take advantage of similar situations, where the offense didn't have to score much or put themselves in a situation where they give the opponent a chance to win.

I look at the NYG last year. Sort of the same thing. Dallas never stood a chance in that game, the Niners did what they needed to burn clock and not give them a chance. K-Choke could work on his game from the pocket and he did. My FF team is having a great week because of Davis and Quan, so I am good with that.

This pretty much sums up my opinion about yesterday's game. I liked some of what I saw, but at the same time I see lots of areas that need much improvement. A wins a win and I'll take it.

You guys definitely took care of business so congrats on the win.

I can't believe how inept the cowboys are. Romo had his first read wide open on the willis interception. He stared right at him wide open, rolled out to his right, and threw it right to Willis.

As long as Jerry continues to try and manage the team and Romo is the QB the Cowboys will remain irrelevant. If having 50% of your stadiums seats filled with opposing fans doesn't send a clear message then nothing will. Like I said when Romo got his new contract "6 more years of Romo jokes".

Looked more like 75%. The cryboys fanbase is a joke. There are almost more Cowpatties fans for road games them they draw at home. I think Jerruh has also "priced out" most of his fanbase. It's hard to go to a game in Dallas on a McDonalds salary. 8)

 

[Melencause]

Dude. LOL. Pretty comfortable holding up by understanding of basic football to yours.

You were arguing time of possession. Niners held the Ball for 1:34 in the first quarter. In that quarter, the 49ers built a 21-3 lead and scored a TD every time they had the ball. Just so you can do the math, that's 13:26 that the Cowboys had the ball in the first quarter.

Why is that? It's because the Cowboys held the ball on long (and ultimately unfruitful) possessions and the Niners scored very quickly.

That means of the remaining 45 min of the game, Dallas held the ball for 17:58 and the Niners held it for 27:02.

This is why you have to WATCH the game and not look at a freakin statsheet and act like you know what you're talking about.

Moreover, Dallas had a 7 minute possession in the second half that was aided TWICE on third down with bogus illegal contact/defensive holding penalties. That's not just my opinion they were bogus BTW...it was spoken about by a number of people watching the game including the announcers.

A football game box score doesn't give you all the facts you need to draw a conclusion. Stop trying.

Since you like them tho, lets look at a few stats....

Frank Gore ran for 66 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry.
Carlos Hyde ran for 50 yards and averaged 7.1 yards per carry. He also scored.

Together, they ran for 116 yards, averaged 4.8 yards per carry, and scored a TD. Yeah...they got stuffed all right. DeMarco Murray BTW ran for 118 yards against a 6 man box.

LB and O-Line strengths? Well that might be true if they weren't missing half their LBs and 2/5th of the line.

Can't say they looked good because Dallas sucks? WTF are you even talking about?

Here's more numbers that you seem so fond of...

Russell Wilson vs GB: 19-28, 191 yards, 2 TDs, 110.9 rating.
Kap: 16-23, 201 yards, 2 TDs, 125.5 rating.

I guess Russell was pretty unimpressive too.

Oh..playing Dallas doesn't count because they suck? Playing GB does tho? That certainly isn't what I've been hearing here the last 4 times the Niners beat GB.

Oh yeah...remember Murrays 118 yards? It was largely against a 6 man box because the 49ers were playing coverage to take away Bryant and Witten. How did THOSE guys do? 12 yards. COMBINED.

Dude.

Just stop. Niners dominated the game on offense scoring TDs on 3 of 4 possessions and then all but shut it down in the second half. That's would be really clear if you weren't looking for a reason to poke holes. Don't talk to me about basic understanding of football if you can't understand what happens when a team gets a huge lead and then just sets out to get out without getting anyone hurt and without showing anything to the next weeks opponent.

I mean seriously...the Niners had a drive in the 4th quarter where they ran it on every single down against a Dallas D stacking to stop the run and they still got into field goal range.

Niners have some issues to fix...they need their LBs back, they need their corners to get healthy, they need to be able to better stop the run even with a 6 man box...

...but saying they were unimpressive in a game they were leading 28-3 at halftime and moving the ball almost at will is disingenuous.

You are lost in rivalry and homerism.
This has nothing to do with the Seahawks or Russel Wilson (btw if we were talking about them I thought the defense and RW were both playing worse than they should have). This isn't about Sehawks being better lol. Its about the 49ers being worse than I expected in 1 game.

Its like you don't even understand the statistics you quote. You argue that they made alot of points in little time.. gogo offense.. when in reality those points were obtained by horrific turnovers from a running back and Lord Romo.
Your entire argument seems to be based on some mindset where you have to compare everything to the Seahawks. Stop.

Next argument you made you basically said... that your defense can stop the run if its focusing on the pass....smh. Why do you even bother... you undermine your own argument.

The 49ers were not impressive...They weren't bad but it wasn't impressive. As you said they are missing some key players, and not slouches either. You keep arguing running a clock down. Their first couple drives (non turnover based) were pretty unspectacular.

Is there an argument here that Dallas is somehow not the worst or at least the bottom 5 of defenses this year? Performances are viewed against the conditions they are played in. This isn't debatable.
The 49ers played a shit team and won with the help of 4 turnovers (1 from a pretty pro strip), and Romo just being all around terrible. Remove Romo from the equation, and you have a totally different ball game. The 49ers took advantage of his constant mistakes... but that doesn't make your offense or defense look good/great.

 

[Melencause]

^^^^ LOL

Can't help it. Just the way I post and the way I talk. I already know what the response will be and I counter the response I know is coming.

BTW, Gore and Hyde combined for 5.0 YPC, not 4.8.

oops...divided by 24 for some reason. 23 combined carries.

Which again isn't good against a super soft defensive front. If that stat was against the Cardinals or Carolina Seattle etc... that would be impressive and a good indicator... but against Dallas? One of the worst run defenses in the league... nope.

 

[Marvin49]

Dude. LOL. Pretty comfortable holding up by understanding of basic football to yours.

You were arguing time of possession. Niners held the Ball for 1:34 in the first quarter. In that quarter, the 49ers built a 21-3 lead and scored a TD every time they had the ball. Just so you can do the math, that's 13:26 that the Cowboys had the ball in the first quarter.

Why is that? It's because the Cowboys held the ball on long (and ultimately unfruitful) possessions and the Niners scored very quickly.

That means of the remaining 45 min of the game, Dallas held the ball for 17:58 and the Niners held it for 27:02.

This is why you have to WATCH the game and not look at a freakin statsheet and act like you know what you're talking about.

Moreover, Dallas had a 7 minute possession in the second half that was aided TWICE on third down with bogus illegal contact/defensive holding penalties. That's not just my opinion they were bogus BTW...it was spoken about by a number of people watching the game including the announcers.

A football game box score doesn't give you all the facts you need to draw a conclusion. Stop trying.

Since you like them tho, lets look at a few stats....

Frank Gore ran for 66 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry.
Carlos Hyde ran for 50 yards and averaged 7.1 yards per carry. He also scored.

Together, they ran for 116 yards, averaged 4.8 yards per carry, and scored a TD. Yeah...they got stuffed all right. DeMarco Murray BTW ran for 118 yards against a 6 man box.

LB and O-Line strengths? Well that might be true if they weren't missing half their LBs and 2/5th of the line.

Can't say they looked good because Dallas sucks? WTF are you even talking about?

Here's more numbers that you seem so fond of...

Russell Wilson vs GB: 19-28, 191 yards, 2 TDs, 110.9 rating.
Kap: 16-23, 201 yards, 2 TDs, 125.5 rating.

I guess Russell was pretty unimpressive too.

Oh..playing Dallas doesn't count because they suck? Playing GB does tho? That certainly isn't what I've been hearing here the last 4 times the Niners beat GB.

Oh yeah...remember Murrays 118 yards? It was largely against a 6 man box because the 49ers were playing coverage to take away Bryant and Witten. How did THOSE guys do? 12 yards. COMBINED.

Dude.

Just stop. Niners dominated the game on offense scoring TDs on 3 of 4 possessions and then all but shut it down in the second half. That's would be really clear if you weren't looking for a reason to poke holes. Don't talk to me about basic understanding of football if you can't understand what happens when a team gets a huge lead and then just sets out to get out without getting anyone hurt and without showing anything to the next weeks opponent.

I mean seriously...the Niners had a drive in the 4th quarter where they ran it on every single down against a Dallas D stacking to stop the run and they still got into field goal range.

Niners have some issues to fix...they need their LBs back, they need their corners to get healthy, they need to be able to better stop the run even with a 6 man box...

...but saying they were unimpressive in a game they were leading 28-3 at halftime and moving the ball almost at will is disingenuous.

You are lost in rivalry and homerism.
This has nothing to do with the Seahawks or Russel Wilson (btw if we were talking about them I thought the defense and RW were both playing worse than they should have). This isn't about Sehawks being better lol. Its about the 49ers being worse than I expected in 1 game.

Its like you don't even understand the statistics you quote. You argue that they made alot of points in little time.. gogo offense.. when in reality those points were obtained by horrific turnovers from a running back and Lord Romo.
Your entire argument seems to be based on some mindset where you have to compare everything to the Seahawks. Stop.

Next argument you made you basically said... that your defense can stop the run if its focusing on the pass....smh. Why do you even bother... you undermine your own argument.

The 49ers were not impressive...They weren't bad but it wasn't impressive. As you said they are missing some key players, and not slouches either. You keep arguing running a clock down. Their first couple drives (non turnover based) were pretty unspectacular.

Is there an argument here that Dallas is somehow not the worst or at least the bottom 5 of defenses this year? Performances are viewed against the conditions they are played in. This isn't debatable.
The 49ers played a shit team and won with the help of 4 turnovers (1 from a pretty pro strip), and Romo just being all around terrible. Remove Romo from the equation, and you have a totally different ball game. The 49ers took advantage of his constant mistakes... but that doesn't make your offense or defense look good/great.

I've come to the conclusion that this concept is simply to difficult for you to comprehend or, much more likely...you are simply uninterested in comprehending it. As such, I'm done responding to you.

In parting tho, I'm simply not sure how you can miss this simple fact...

The 49ers scored TDs in the first half on two of their three opportunities to do so when they got the ball in their own end.

80 yards on their first drive on 3 plays and then again just before the half. They were even driving on the one drive that they punted and were sidelines by two holding calls and a sack.

Is it actually your position that unless you score a TD on every single possession that you are "not impressive"?

Wait...don't answer that. I already know what you are going to say and I really am not interested at another lame attempt to "be right".

EDIT.

Just had to add this....

The 49ers were not impressive...They weren't bad but it wasn't impressive. As you said they are missing some key players, and not slouches either. You keep arguing running a clock down. Their first couple drives (non turnover based) were pretty unspectacular.

Right.

1st offensive series

1st and 10 at SF 20 (7:22) C.Kaepernick pass short left to A.Boldin to SF 27 for 7 yards (R.McClain). Pass complete on a "bubble screen."

2nd and 3 at SF 27 (6:49) C.Kaepernick pass incomplete short left to M.Crabtree. PENALTY on DAL-M.Claiborne, Defensive Pass Interference, 7 yards, enforced at SF 27 - No Play.

1st and 10 at SF 34 (6:44) C.Kaepernick pass deep middle to A.Boldin to DAL 29 for 37 yards (B.Church). Pass complete on a "post pattern."

1st and 10 at DAL 29 (6:03) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass deep right to V.Davis for 29 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass complete after escaping pressure; caught right corner of the end zone. P.Dawson extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Nelson, Holder-A.Lee.


4th offensive series (2nd was TD after INT and third they drove as deep as the 32, but got bogged down on Holding penalties.

1st and 10 at SF 36 (3:39) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass incomplete short right to B.Miller. Pass incomplete on "wheel route;" Durant closest defender.

2nd and 10 at SF 36 (3:35) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short middle to A.Boldin to SF 47 for 11 yards (J.Durant; B.Carter).

1st and 10 at SF 47 (2:48) F.Gore left tackle to SF 48 for 1 yard (R.McClain).

2nd and 9 at SF 48 (2:09) (Shotgun) L.James left end to SF 49 for 1 yard (J.Durant).
Two-Minute Warning

3rd and 8 at SF 49 (2:00) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short right to S.Johnson to DAL 30 for 21 yards (S.Moore). Pass complete on a "button hook."

1st and 10 at DAL 30 (1:25) (Shotgun) F.Gore left end to DAL 24 for 6 yards (S.Moore; M.Claiborne).

2nd and 4 at DAL 24 57) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short middle to A.Boldin to DAL 17 for 7 yards (S.Moore). Ball was tipped at the line of scrimmage.
Timeout #1 by SF at 00:50.

1st and 10 at DAL 17 48) (Shotgun) C.Hyde right guard to DAL 4 for 13 yards (B.Church).
Timeout #2 by SF at 00:43.

1st and 4 at DAL 4 43) (Shotgun) C.Hyde up the middle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P.Dawson extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Nelson, Holder-A.Lee.

 

[Popeyejones]

Which again isn't good against a super soft defensive front. If that stat was against the Cardinals or Carolina Seattle etc... that would be impressive and a good indicator... but against Dallas? One of the worst run defenses in the league... nope.

You just shifted the goalposts. You argued that the 9ers run defense was "stuffed...across the entire game." Now that the fallacy of that argument has been pointed out with actual statistics from the game, you've blithely decided that the new argument is that it doesn't count because the Cowboys run defense is bad.

You're now arguing 5.0 YPC would only count if it was against one of the top run defenses in the league? By this logic Marshawn's day against the Packers also doesn't count, as last year the Cowboys were 3rd worse in the leage against the run with 4.8 YPC, and the Packers were fourth worse against the run with 4.7 YPC, and were playing on thursday without the core of their run defense in BJ Raji.

I dunno. I think Marshawn's game counts. Maybe you don't.

Agreed with Marvin. This was my last post on this one. 9ers have some things to work on, as does every team, but this convo ain't going anywhere

 

[Melencause]

I've come to the conclusion that this concept is simply to difficult for you to comprehend or, much more likely...you are simply uninterested in comprehending it. As such, I'm done responding to you.

In parting tho, I'm simply not sure how you can miss this simple fact...

The 49ers scored TDs in the first half on two of their three opportunities to do so when they got the ball in their own end.

80 yards on their first drive on 3 plays and then again just before the half. They were even driving on the one drive that they punted and were sidelines by two holding calls and a sack.

Is it actually your position that unless you score a TD on every single possession that you are "not impressive"?

Wait...don't answer that. I already know what you are going to say and I really am not interested at another lame attempt to "be right".

EDIT.

Just had to add this....

The 49ers were not impressive...They weren't bad but it wasn't impressive. As you said they are missing some key players, and not slouches either. You keep arguing running a clock down. Their first couple drives (non turnover based) were pretty unspectacular.

Right.

1st offensive series

1st and 10 at SF 20 (7:22) C.Kaepernick pass short left to A.Boldin to SF 27 for 7 yards (R.McClain). Pass complete on a "bubble screen."

2nd and 3 at SF 27 (6:49) C.Kaepernick pass incomplete short left to M.Crabtree. PENALTY on DAL-M.Claiborne, Defensive Pass Interference, 7 yards, enforced at SF 27 - No Play.

1st and 10 at SF 34 (6:44) C.Kaepernick pass deep middle to A.Boldin to DAL 29 for 37 yards (B.Church). Pass complete on a "post pattern."

1st and 10 at DAL 29 (6:03) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass deep right to V.Davis for 29 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Pass complete after escaping pressure; caught right corner of the end zone. P.Dawson extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Nelson, Holder-A.Lee.


4th offensive series (2nd was TD after INT and third they drove as deep as the 32, but got bogged down on Holding penalties.

1st and 10 at SF 36 (3:39) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass incomplete short right to B.Miller. Pass incomplete on "wheel route;" Durant closest defender.

2nd and 10 at SF 36 (3:35) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short middle to A.Boldin to SF 47 for 11 yards (J.Durant; B.Carter).

1st and 10 at SF 47 (2:48) F.Gore left tackle to SF 48 for 1 yard (R.McClain).

2nd and 9 at SF 48 (2:09) (Shotgun) L.James left end to SF 49 for 1 yard (J.Durant).
Two-Minute Warning

3rd and 8 at SF 49 (2:00) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short right to S.Johnson to DAL 30 for 21 yards (S.Moore). Pass complete on a "button hook."

1st and 10 at DAL 30 (1:25) (Shotgun) F.Gore left end to DAL 24 for 6 yards (S.Moore; M.Claiborne).

2nd and 4 at DAL 24 57) (Shotgun) C.Kaepernick pass short middle to A.Boldin to DAL 17 for 7 yards (S.Moore). Ball was tipped at the line of scrimmage.
Timeout #1 by SF at 00:50.

1st and 10 at DAL 17 48) (Shotgun) C.Hyde right guard to DAL 4 for 13 yards (B.Church).
Timeout #2 by SF at 00:43.

1st and 4 at DAL 4 43) (Shotgun) C.Hyde up the middle for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN. P.Dawson extra point is GOOD, Center-K.Nelson, Holder-A.Lee.

Lol kiddo. You are so lost its comical. Listing average stats against a well below average defense doesn't help your case.
Do you still not understand the basic scope here? It's like you are incapable of rational thought.

Let me break down some basics for you... If a profession basketball players dunks on a high school basketball player... is that impressive? If Usain bolt manages to beat you(average joe) in a race by only 1 second... is that impressive?

You are missing the context... which isn't surprising homerism is blinding.

 

[Melencause]

Which again isn't good against a super soft defensive front. If that stat was against the Cardinals or Carolina Seattle etc... that would be impressive and a good indicator... but against Dallas? One of the worst run defenses in the league... nope.

You just shifted the goalposts. You argued that the 9ers run defense was "stuffed...across the entire game." Now that the fallacy of that argument has been pointed out with actual statistics from the game, you've blithely decided that the new argument is that it doesn't count because the Cowboys run defense is bad.

You're now arguing 5.0 YPC would only count if it was against one of the top run defenses in the league? By this logic Marshawn's day against the Packers also doesn't count, as last year the Cowboys were 3rd worse in the leage against the run with 4.8 YPC, and the Packers were fourth worse against the run with 4.7 YPC, and were playing on thursday without the core of their run defense in BJ Raji.

I dunno. I think Marshawn's game counts. Maybe you don't.

Agreed with Marvin. This was my last post on this one. 9ers have some things to work on, as does every team, but this convo ain't going anywhere

Popeye you can't even find the goalposts right now. Only getting 5.0 ypc against the worst rushing stoppers in the game IS getting stuffed. You also need to learn a little bit about statistics and the usefulness of outliers. Gore averaged 4.1 Hyde averaged 7.something. Do you understand how averages work and how, in such small samples for such small numbers, 1 outlier can throw off an average?

I mean this is basic statistics like 8th grade stuff.

You are confused again. I said 5.0 would be impressive against the best run defenses in the league but not against the worst. I never said it didn't count? I also don't think Marshawn's game was particularly impressive with the packers injuries. I thought Marshawn broke alot of tackles but like anything in sports it was a team effort. I think Marshawn is going ot look ALOT better this year.... not necessarily because he is better but because out O-line is improved. But, again this has nothing to do with the Seahawks as much as you two can't seem to separate those two.

This isn't about comparing the Seahawks to the Niners kiddos. Its about comparing the Niners to the Cowboys... How is this confusing to you both?

 

[Largent80]

 

[Laloosh]

Which again isn't good against a super soft defensive front. If that stat was against the Cardinals or Carolina Seattle etc... that would be impressive and a good indicator... but against Dallas? One of the worst run defenses in the league... nope.

You just shifted the goalposts. You argued that the 9ers run defense was "stuffed...across the entire game." Now that the fallacy of that argument has been pointed out with actual statistics from the game, you've blithely decided that the new argument is that it doesn't count because the Cowboys run defense is bad.

You're now arguing 5.0 YPC would only count if it was against one of the top run defenses in the league? By this logic Marshawn's day against the Packers also doesn't count, as last year the Cowboys were 3rd worse in the leage against the run with 4.8 YPC, and the Packers were fourth worse against the run with 4.7 YPC, and were playing on thursday without the core of their run defense in BJ Raji.

I dunno. I think Marshawn's game counts. Maybe you don't.

Agreed with Marvin. This was my last post on this one. 9ers have some things to work on, as does every team, but this convo ain't going anywhere

Popeye you can't even find the goalposts right now. Only getting 5.0 ypc against the worst rushing stoppers in the game IS getting stuffed. You also need to learn a little bit about statistics and the usefulness of outliers. Gore averaged 4.1 Hyde averaged 7.something. Do you understand how averages work and how, in such small samples for such small numbers, 1 outlier can throw off an average?

I mean this is basic statistics like 8th grade stuff.

You are confused again. I said 5.0 would be impressive against the best run defenses in the league but not against the worst. I never said it didn't count? I also don't think Marshawn's game was particularly impressive with the packers injuries. I thought Marshawn broke alot of tackles but like anything in sports it was a team effort. I think Marshawn is going ot look ALOT better this year.... not necessarily because he is better but because out O-line is improved. But, again this has nothing to do with the Seahawks as much as you two can't seem to separate those two.

This isn't about comparing the Seahawks to the Niners kiddos. Its about comparing the Niners to the Cowboys... How is this confusing to you both?

Actually, Chicago and Atlanta were worse. GB averaged only 0.2 yards per carry less than Dallas last year in opp YPC. Sort of undermines the point you're making imo. I agree that Lynch's stats against a small d-line without Raji aren't very telling though.

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/y ... 13/opp.htm

If I were SF I'd feel really good about the running game moving forward. Hyde looks terrific. The pass blocking however... not so much.

 

[Laloosh]

So freaking accurate lol. Would be better if he were simply handing them a gift box with a gigantic bow on it.

 

[Popeyejones]

You also need to learn a little bit about statistics

Heh.

FWIW I've taught both undergraduate and graduate level statistics.

FWIWx2 while you were typing this by chance I was running post-estimation tests for a fixed-effects model of 2.3 million bands nested in 332 meto areas.

Look for land, sailor.

 

[Popeyejones]

Laloosh --

Just to be clear, I didn't introduce Lynch to downplay his game. I introduced him to make the rhetorical point that discounting above average performance simply because it's against below average competition isn't a good strategy to argue that a player or unit was ineffective.

Personally I looooooove Lynch.

Also, LOL at the chop. awesome.

 

[RolandDeschain]

You also need to learn a little bit about statistics

Heh.

FWIW I've taught both undergraduate and graduate level statistics.

FWIWx2 while you were typing this by chance I was running post-estimation tests for a fixed-effects model of 2.3 million bands nested in 332 meto areas.

Look for land, sailor.

This is pretty funny. :lol: I have a question for you, though. Your opinion on it.

If you see black come up 10 times in a row on a roulette board, do you think red's more likely to hit on the next spin?

 

[Melencause]

You also need to learn a little bit about statistics

Heh.

FWIW I've taught both undergraduate and graduate level statistics.

FWIWx2 while you were typing this by chance I was running post-estimation tests for a fixed-effects model of 2.3 million bands nested in 332 meto areas.

Look for land, sailor.

Then you have no excuse not to apply your knowledge. You do understand outliers than?

 

[Laloosh]

Laloosh --

Just to be clear, I didn't introduce Lynch to downplay his game. I introduced him to make the rhetorical point that discounting above average performance simply because it's against below average competition isn't a good strategy to argue that a player or unit was ineffective.

Personally I looooooove Lynch.

Also, LOL at the chop. awesome.

I know. My comment was aimed at Melencause and his comment about not being impressed with Lynch's performance. I wouldn't say that I wasn't impressed by any stretch (which he did) but I didn't feel like that was a very good run defense to make a judgement against.

 

[Melencause]

Laloosh --

Just to be clear, I didn't introduce Lynch to downplay his game. I introduced him to make the rhetorical point that discounting above average performance simply because it's against below average competition isn't a good strategy to argue that a player or unit was ineffective.

Sure it is. The point is to find a true average. Above average stats against below average play isn't a true average.
This is why they have stats adjusted based on who you are playing. Not to mention that my argument was that the unit wasn't impressive. Not ineffective. Anything is effective against Dallas. Stop trying to skew my words. Impressive and Ineffective both start with I but in no way have the same meaning.

 

[Laloosh]

Laloosh --

Just to be clear, I didn't introduce Lynch to downplay his game. I introduced him to make the rhetorical point that discounting above average performance simply because it's against below average competition isn't a good strategy to argue that a player or unit was ineffective.

Sure it is. The point is to find a true average. Above average stats against below average play isn't a true average.
This is why they have stats adjusted based on who you are playing. Not to mention that my argument was that the unit wasn't impressive. Not ineffective. Anything is effective against Dallas. Stop trying to skew my words. Impressive and Ineffective both start with I but in no way have the same meaning.

Technically, SF's run game was "above average" because they averaged more than 4.7 YPC (Dallas's number for 2013), no?

An average performance would have been to rush for 4.7, not 5.0. Below average would be a number less than 4.7. I'm not a statistician but that seems like simple logic.