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loafoftatupu":34mvis55 said:
Talking about that last game is really no different than talking about a preseason game. There are no style points in football and to me there was nothing to be learned from whatever that game was.

The Niners took care of business as they should have. The Cowboys gave them every opportunity to make it easy on the Niners, what was SF supposed to do? Play like they were behind? SC didn't need to risk anything, so why would they? We have seen the Hawks take advantage of similar situations, where the offense didn't have to score much or put themselves in a situation where they give the opponent a chance to win.

I look at the NYG last year. Sort of the same thing. Dallas never stood a chance in that game, the Niners did what they needed to burn clock and not give them a chance. K-Choke could work on his game from the pocket and he did. My FF team is having a great week because of Davis and Quan, so I am good with that.

:)

Sorry Loaf...

Missed this post somehow. Yeah, agree with just about everything there.
 

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Marvin49":2lhx9t8d said:
Laloosh":2lhx9t8d said:
I watched the game, Marv. You guys need some of those starters back to hang with a good team. Hyde looks great btw.

THAT I agree with. Need the right side of the line back. Need corners back. Tough to play a light box with a back as good as Murray without Navorro or Aldon.

They are gonna have to get by early until the horses come back.

My issue in this thread is the perception that the Niners O "struggled" against the Cowboys horrific D. They didn't. They moved the ball in the first half almost at will. The second drive stalled after 2 holding calls and a sack but even on THAT drive they were moving the ball. They scored a TD on every other first half possession.

In the second half they were just trying to get out of the building with their foot off the gas.

Quoting time if possession to me is ludicrous when the Cowboys probably had the ball over 12 minutes in the first QUARTER and were down by 18.

The pressure on Kaepernick didn't help. Didn't check stats but they were getting pressure a bit.

[edit] wasn't reflected in stats but their pass rush was hitting him quite a bit werent they?
 

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Marvin49":1l299jne said:
bigtrain21":1l299jne said:
Wow! A one play drive Marvin!? How many yards?
1 or 2.

Who cares? The point was that one play drives don't last too long so don't quote time of possession to me.

Marv were you captain of your debate team? I really don't understand why you don't just state your opinion, and whether they agree or not who cares, state it and move on. If you get a couple that agree, great!

Bottom line THEY ARE SEAHAWK FANS!!!!!
 

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Laloosh":17fshact said:
Marvin49":17fshact said:
Laloosh":17fshact said:
I watched the game, Marv. You guys need some of those starters back to hang with a good team. Hyde looks great btw.

THAT I agree with. Need the right side of the line back. Need corners back. Tough to play a light box with a back as good as Murray without Navorro or Aldon.

They are gonna have to get by early until the horses come back.

My issue in this thread is the perception that the Niners O "struggled" against the Cowboys horrific D. They didn't. They moved the ball in the first half almost at will. The second drive stalled after 2 holding calls and a sack but even on THAT drive they were moving the ball. They scored a TD on every other first half possession.

In the second half they were just trying to get out of the building with their foot off the gas.

Quoting time if possession to me is ludicrous when the Cowboys probably had the ball over 12 minutes in the first QUARTER and were down by 18.

The pressure on Kaepernick didn't help. Didn't check stats but they were getting pressure a bit.

[edit] wasn't reflected in stats but their pass rush was hitting him quite a bit werent they?

Yes, Dallas got some pressure. Iupati had another rough game. On Kaps first TD throw Iupati completely wiffed and Kap got out of the pocket only because Gore picked the guy up.

Looking forward to getting Davis and Boone back, but I have to admit Iupatis play is concerning.
 

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Ask Jerry, I bet he would say those were not 49er fans, it was Texas Bleeding Hearts day, people were wearing red to support Angina awareness due to all the picks Romo throws.
 

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chris98251":1mgd9rwj said:
Ask Jerry, I bet he would say those were not 49er fans, it was Texas Bleeding Hearts day, people were wearing red to support Angina awareness due to all the picks Romo throws.

I think he was actually asked and he said he didn't notice. Lol.
 

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Sorry...I can't stand Dez Bryant and there is just way too much goodness in this gif not to share. :D

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Marvin49":3i556ktn said:
Sorry...I can't stand Dez Bryant and there is just way too much goodness in this gif not to share. :D

wc3Ynqy.gif

I laughed my ass off when they said he kept going out because of "dehydration".

Looked like he got lessons on how to hit from Chancellor
 

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I saw a dangerous team there. Looks like status quo this season. SF handled a sub par opponent and did so convincingly.

I don't take away anything that makes me think the Niners are going to drop off the radar. The Cowboys are a similarly flawed team as Green Bay.

Romo played poorly and SF was there to capitalize on nearly every mistake. That's not a bad defense despite the missing pieces.
 

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Attyla the Hawk":3qru5m33 said:
I saw a dangerous team there. Looks like status quo this season. SF handled a sub par opponent and did so convincingly.

I don't take away anything that makes me think the Niners are going to drop off the radar. The Cowboys are a similarly flawed team as Green Bay.

Romo played poorly and SF was there to capitalize on nearly every mistake. That's not a bad defense despite the missing pieces.

Still early but lots of holes to fill
 

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Marvin49":2ioo45pe said:
bigtrain21":2ioo45pe said:
Wow! A one play drive Marvin!? How many yards?
1 or 2.

Who cares? The point was that one play drives don't last too long so don't quote time of possession to me.

Its like you don't understand basic football. Pushing a ball 1-2 yards... doesn't really tell a story of greatness. However having your run game stuffed mostly against a terrible Dline across an entire game does.
If Romo wasn't handing you the ball the game would have been very close.

The strength of the 49ers has been the Oline and the Linebackers..correct? I didn't see anything super out of them as I am used to seeing. The offense needs to make up for the weaker D for half of a season and I saw nothing indicating they would against Dallas.

The only defense you have of your statement that the offense is looking good is that they scored points. I don't know if you realize this but there are 2 sides to every football game. If a defense lays down for you... points happen even with a terrible offense. Your offense didn't look terrible they just looked... average.

Nothing stood out in that game that would speak to the ability to challenge tougher teams. Its not doomsaying to speak on this its an observation of a single game... maybe they had a subpar game, but you definitely can't say that is was a good performance.

Again its like Mike Tyson beating up a toddler and calling him a champion boxer. Maybe he is... but the toddler fight didn't prove it. How do you not get this?
 

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Laloosh":2lwfxdps said:
We're not capable of having negative thoughts about our team, Roland. Got it?
Laloosh, you are a wise and capable man both in the bedroom and with your cerebral power. I have learned my lesson; thankee-sai.
 

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Melencause":2ak42vgk said:
However having your run game stuffed mostly against a terrible Dline across an entire game does.

If you want to talk stats the 9ers averaged 4.6 yards a carry.*

If you want to talk context that was with a new center getting his first NFL start, and backups playing RG and RT.

Not that everything is shiny in 9ers land**, but either way you want to look at it, if that's the "run game getting stuffe mostly...across an entire game" there's probably bigger things to talk about.


*That's taking out Kap's two kneel downs to end the game (+2 yards, -2 carries)
**And even in the run game, Iupati played like crap and Staley had a down game too.
 

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Melencause":1c68ujmq said:
Marvin49":1c68ujmq said:
bigtrain21":1c68ujmq said:
Wow! A one play drive Marvin!? How many yards?
1 or 2.

Who cares? The point was that one play drives don't last too long so don't quote time of possession to me.

Its like you don't understand basic football. Pushing a ball 1-2 yards... doesn't really tell a story of greatness. However having your run game stuffed mostly against a terrible Dline across an entire game does.
If Romo wasn't handing you the ball the game would have been very close.

The strength of the 49ers has been the Oline and the Linebackers..correct? I didn't see anything super out of them as I am used to seeing. The offense needs to make up for the weaker D for half of a season and I saw nothing indicating they would against Dallas.

The only defense you have of your statement that the offense is looking good is that they scored points. I don't know if you realize this but there are 2 sides to every football game. If a defense lays down for you... points happen even with a terrible offense. Your offense didn't look terrible they just looked... average.

Nothing stood out in that game that would speak to the ability to challenge tougher teams. Its not doomsaying to speak on this its an observation of a single game... maybe they had a subpar game, but you definitely can't say that is was a good performance.

Again its like Mike Tyson beating up a toddler and calling him a champion boxer. Maybe he is... but the toddler fight didn't prove it. How do you not get this?

Dude. LOL. Pretty comfortable holding up by understanding of basic football to yours.

You were arguing time of possession. Niners held the Ball for 1:34 in the first quarter. In that quarter, the 49ers built a 21-3 lead and scored a TD every time they had the ball. Just so you can do the math, that's 13:26 that the Cowboys had the ball in the first quarter.

Why is that? It's because the Cowboys held the ball on long (and ultimately unfruitful) possessions and the Niners scored very quickly.

That means of the remaining 45 min of the game, Dallas held the ball for 17:58 and the Niners held it for 27:02.

This is why you have to WATCH the game and not look at a freakin statsheet and act like you know what you're talking about.

Moreover, Dallas had a 7 minute possession in the second half that was aided TWICE on third down with bogus illegal contact/defensive holding penalties. That's not just my opinion they were bogus BTW...it was spoken about by a number of people watching the game including the announcers.

A football game box score doesn't give you all the facts you need to draw a conclusion. Stop trying.

Since you like them tho, lets look at a few stats....

Frank Gore ran for 66 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry.
Carlos Hyde ran for 50 yards and averaged 7.1 yards per carry. He also scored.

Together, they ran for 116 yards, averaged 4.8 yards per carry, and scored a TD. Yeah...they got stuffed all right. DeMarco Murray BTW ran for 118 yards against a 6 man box.

LB and O-Line strengths? Well that might be true if they weren't missing half their LBs and 2/5th of the line.

Can't say they looked good because Dallas sucks? WTF are you even talking about?

Here's more numbers that you seem so fond of...

Russell Wilson vs GB: 19-28, 191 yards, 2 TDs, 110.9 rating.
Kap: 16-23, 201 yards, 2 TDs, 125.5 rating.

I guess Russell was pretty unimpressive too.

Oh..playing Dallas doesn't count because they suck? Playing GB does tho? That certainly isn't what I've been hearing here the last 4 times the Niners beat GB.

Oh yeah...remember Murrays 118 yards? It was largely against a 6 man box because the 49ers were playing coverage to take away Bryant and Witten. How did THOSE guys do? 12 yards. COMBINED.

Dude.

Just stop. Niners dominated the game on offense scoring TDs on 3 of 4 possessions and then all but shut it down in the second half. That's would be really clear if you weren't looking for a reason to poke holes. Don't talk to me about basic understanding of football if you can't understand what happens when a team gets a huge lead and then just sets out to get out without getting anyone hurt and without showing anything to the next weeks opponent.

I mean seriously...the Niners had a drive in the 4th quarter where they ran it on every single down against a Dallas D stacking to stop the run and they still got into field goal range.

Niners have some issues to fix...they need their LBs back, they need their corners to get healthy, they need to be able to better stop the run even with a 6 man box...

...but saying they were unimpressive in a game they were leading 28-3 at halftime and moving the ball almost at will is disingenuous.
 

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Marvin49":2rvcjuhr said:
You were arguing time of possession. Niners held the Ball for 1:34 in the first quarter. In that quarter, the 49ers built a 21-3 lead and scored a TD every time they had the ball. Just so you can do the math, that's 13:26 that the Cowboys had the ball in the first quarter.

Why is that? It's because the Cowboys held the ball on long (and ultimately unfruitful) possessions and the Niners scored very quickly.

That means of the remaining 45 min of the game, Dallas held the ball for 17:58 and the Niners held it for 27:02.

Since you like them tho, lets look at a few stats....

Frank Gore ran for 66 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry.
Carlos Hyde ran for 50 yards and averaged 7.1 yards per carry. He also scored.

Together, they ran for 116 yards, averaged 4.8 yards per carry, and scored a TD. Yeah...they got stuffed all right. DeMarco Murray BTW ran for 118 yards against a 6 man box.

Here's more numbers that you seem so fond of...

Russell Wilson vs GB: 19-28, 191 yards, 2 TDs, 110.9 rating.
Kap: 16-23, 201 yards, 2 TDs, 125.5 rating.

I guess Russell was pretty unimpressive too.

Oh yeah...remember Murrays 118 yards? It was largely against a 6 man box because the 49ers were playing coverage to take away Bryant and Witten. How di THOSE guys do? 12 yards. COMBINED.

Dude.


Well, this is a hell of a rant, Marvin. That said, it's a rant that's pretty hard to argue with. (cut the post down just to the stats, which are the bread and butter).
 

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Popeyejones":2aqpzyfu said:
Marvin49":2aqpzyfu said:
You were arguing time of possession. Niners held the Ball for 1:34 in the first quarter. In that quarter, the 49ers built a 21-3 lead and scored a TD every time they had the ball. Just so you can do the math, that's 13:26 that the Cowboys had the ball in the first quarter.

Why is that? It's because the Cowboys held the ball on long (and ultimately unfruitful) possessions and the Niners scored very quickly.

That means of the remaining 45 min of the game, Dallas held the ball for 17:58 and the Niners held it for 27:02.

Since you like them tho, lets look at a few stats....

Frank Gore ran for 66 yards and averaged 4.1 yards per carry.
Carlos Hyde ran for 50 yards and averaged 7.1 yards per carry. He also scored.

Together, they ran for 116 yards, averaged 4.8 yards per carry, and scored a TD. Yeah...they got stuffed all right. DeMarco Murray BTW ran for 118 yards against a 6 man box.

Here's more numbers that you seem so fond of...

Russell Wilson vs GB: 19-28, 191 yards, 2 TDs, 110.9 rating.
Kap: 16-23, 201 yards, 2 TDs, 125.5 rating.

I guess Russell was pretty unimpressive too.

Oh yeah...remember Murrays 118 yards? It was largely against a 6 man box because the 49ers were playing coverage to take away Bryant and Witten. How di THOSE guys do? 12 yards. COMBINED.

Dude.


Well, this is a hell of a rant, Marvin. That said, it's a rant that's pretty hard to argue with. (cut the post down just to the stats, which are the bread and butter).

Can't help it. :) Just the way I post and the way I talk. I already know what the response will be and I counter the response I know is coming. :)
 

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Marv getting fired up. Thanks for pointing out how terrible Russell was. We were on the fence about him but I think we've seen the light after that post.

Time to start T-Jack. Russ can't even out perform Kaeperdink.
 

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Laloosh":3e9rzcos said:
Marv getting fired up. Thanks for pointing out how terrible Russell was. We were on the fence about him but I think we've seen the light after that post.

Time to start T-Jack. Russ can't even out perform Kaeperdink.

LOL...

..I know yer pullin' my chain, but you know I ain't being critical of Wilson. Dudes a stud. :D
 

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Marvin49":2hzrpk9f said:
Laloosh":2hzrpk9f said:
Marv getting fired up. Thanks for pointing out how terrible Russell was. We were on the fence about him but I think we've seen the light after that post.

Time to start T-Jack. Russ can't even out perform Kaeperdink.

LOL...

..I know yer pullin' my chain, but you know I ain't being critical of Wilson. Dudes a stud. :D

I took it easy on you for not touting it as a road win ;)
 
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