NFL.com Head Coach Power Rankings -- Pete: #15

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onanygivensunday":d49unaht said:
Who gives a rat's ass?

It just one person's opinion.


people always post stuff like this here

"WHO CARES! JUST PLAY FOOTBALL!

WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE THINKS!

WHY DOES THAT MATTER?"


If that's how you feel when people post articles to hopefully spark a discussion, why do you bother coming here, opening the thread, and replying?
 

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Hawknballs":20oljqnb said:
onanygivensunday":20oljqnb said:
Who gives a rat's ass?

It just one person's opinion.


people always post stuff like this here

"WHO CARES! JUST PLAY FOOTBALL!

WHO CARES WHAT ANYONE THINKS!

WHY DOES THAT MATTER?"


If that's how you feel when people post articles to hopefully spark a discussion, why do you bother coming here, opening the thread, and replying?
I'm with ya on that one. I don't get it.
 

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Hawknballs":sklekpjh said:
RolandDeschain":sklekpjh said:
Hawknballs":sklekpjh said:
so...1 win should move him ahead of guys who've been winning for years?

:roll: How many guys ahead of Carroll on that list built a winning team from scratch?

we're talking about coaching, if you want to talk about a coach / GM list then true.
That would be true if Pete were only the coach and not the VP as well. John and the scouting team have done a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of drafting, etc., but make no mistake - this is Pete's team. It's his philosophy, his overall plan. He even had a say in who was hired as GM, and he and John work very closely together to make sure the guys picked fit that plan.

That lack of cooperation is a large part of why he didn't have this kind of success as a head coach in the NFL earlier.
 

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Sean Payton, Andy Reid and Jeff Fisher all in the Top 10? That's when I just close the page.

That list didn't make any sense. Both Harbaughs over Tom Coughlin? Pure nonsense.
 

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If I was making my own list, Jimmy would be one of the first three coaches on it. If I was making a d-bag list, he would be near the top of that too.

I still wonder how the coach(coughlin) who beat Belichick TWICE in the SB is not way higher.
 

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Yeah, Coughlin should be higher. He's gone to the SB twice and won both times with a fair amount of personnel churn in between (other than Eli, obviously).
 

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sc85sis":mfvnge9f said:
That would be true if Pete were only the coach and not the VP as well. John and the scouting team have done a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of drafting, etc., but make no mistake - this is Pete's team. It's his philosophy, his overall plan. He even had a say in who was hired as GM, and he and John work very closely together to make sure the guys picked fit that plan.

That lack of cooperation is a large part of why he didn't have this kind of success as a head coach in the NFL earlier.


To hear Pete and John tell it, it doesn't sound like if not for John, Pete would have seriously considered drafting Russell Wilson so I think that pretty much causes this theory to completely unravel like michael crabtree's achilles tendon.
 

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Hawknballs":24wokthu said:
we're talking about coaching, if you want to talk about a coach / GM list then true.

A head coach position is a lot more than just running things on the field on game day. GM is drafting the guys, it's the head coach who has to make sure he gets his guys to succeed, have good assistant coaches and position coaches, etc., and most of THAT is not done at the stadium in front of the fans.
 

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Not too upset where Pete is on this list, but some of those above him should not be as high as they are.
 

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Hawknballs":2144hxe0 said:
sc85sis":2144hxe0 said:
That would be true if Pete were only the coach and not the VP as well. John and the scouting team have done a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of drafting, etc., but make no mistake - this is Pete's team. It's his philosophy, his overall plan. He even had a say in who was hired as GM, and he and John work very closely together to make sure the guys picked fit that plan.

That lack of cooperation is a large part of why he didn't have this kind of success as a head coach in the NFL earlier.


To hear Pete and John tell it, it doesn't sound like if not for John, Pete would have seriously considered drafting Russell Wilson so I think that pretty much causes this theory to completely unravel like michael crabtree's achilles tendon.

If not for Pete, John wouldn't have been around in the first place
 

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Just gonna spitball here...

I don't think I am qualified per se, but I think Jim Harbaugh and Pete Carroll are #1 and #2. The speed at which they turned those teams around is amazing, and there is a lot more to coaching than whether or not you decide to go for it on 4th and 6th.

I would say that the most important aspect of coaching is simply how well your team plays, and most of that is on talent evaluation and talent development. Pete's in game management is average at best, but he's unmatched as an evaluator and talent developer. He's also a very bright X's and O's guy for the most part (despite some of my nitpicks, I think he's brilliant) and he's done an incredible job evaluating and building his assistant coaching staff.

I don't think Jim Harbaugh is on that same level, but unlike Pete I wouldn't say he has any glaring deficiencies, and the way that he's gotten that defense and offense to over-achieve in a sustainable manner is incredible. I like CK, but I am pretty sure that almost anywhere else he'd be having a career along the lines of Dennis Dixon, Troy Smith, et al. I don't think I can overstate how impressive it is that Harbaugh managed the results he got out of two purely mechanical QBs.

John Harbaugh is a good coach, but I think he has a lot less to do with Baltimore's success than his brilliant GM. Ditto Mike McCarthy.

I like Tom Coughlin but he's not some brilliant mind or anything, just a tough guy that gets results, like a better, smarter, more effective version of Jim Mora.

Jeff Fisher should be up there, though I think he's a tad over-rated around here. He's pretty much the opposite of Carroll: sharp as a tack with in-game decisions but average at best when it comes to identifying and fostering young talent.

Bill Belichick sounds like a brilliant guy when he talks, and I actually like the cheater side of him. Wrong as it may have been, I see it as him just "thinking outside the box" to help his team win. "Cheating" is all but accepted in baseball (not HGH, but hiding pine tar on a baseball, stealing signals, etc), some would even argue it's an accepted art form. Some have argued that Belichick is just riding Brady's coattails, but Belicheck didn't inherit Brady. He drafted him, and oversaw his development. He also won 11 games with Matt Cassel in 2008.

Sean Payton always struck me as a cutting edge type coach. I don't know how much of the Saints mini-collapse last year had to do with his absence, but I do know that Drew Brees went from a frustrating talent to a Hall of Famer when he joined forces with Payton.

Last mention: Marvin Lewis. I don't know how many times he's been an inch away from getting a pink slip, but I've always respected the way he conducts business. I would argue that the Bengals have done the second best job acquiring and developing young talent over the last 3 years, after Seattle of course. Any coach that gets the kind of productivity after the 1st round that he's gotten in recent years should be paid close attention to.
 

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themunn":368a2oh5 said:
If not for Pete, John wouldn't have been around in the first place

Yup. And, I'm not saying Pete would have drafted Wilson in the 3rd round, but I heard from multiple sources before that draft that Pete loved Wilson. LOVED him. Pete also had to make the decision to start Wilson over Flynn, which he took a good deal of heat for during the first couple months.
 

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Hawknballs":23mh9x4q said:
sc85sis":23mh9x4q said:
That would be true if Pete were only the coach and not the VP as well. John and the scouting team have done a lot of the heavy lifting in terms of drafting, etc., but make no mistake - this is Pete's team. It's his philosophy, his overall plan. He even had a say in who was hired as GM, and he and John work very closely together to make sure the guys picked fit that plan.

That lack of cooperation is a large part of why he didn't have this kind of success as a head coach in the NFL earlier.


To hear Pete and John tell it, it doesn't sound like if not for John, Pete would have seriously considered drafting Russell Wilson so I think that pretty much causes this theory to completely unravel like michael crabtree's achilles tendon.
That's why I said John and his staff do most of the heavy lifting in terms of drafting. You must have missed that in my original reply.

My point is not intended to minimize John's role. It is intended to show that Pete's role is very large, more so than many head coaches. He has final say over all player personnel. It's his philosophy that the team is built and run upon.
 

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I'm not saying i don't believe Carroll is a way better coach. I'm a homer and know it. I understand why Payton, Reid etc were rated higher.
 

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Here is what I know. I love the Pete Carroll hire. He has some quirks but is strong in his beliefs from what I can tell. There are better X's and O's HCs out there but what he has done here is outstanding.

Fate may not smile on him this season, who knows, but his vision of what football is on both sides of the ball coincides with what I want football to look like. The organization he helped put together has put players on the field that can hold their own and the plans he and his coaches create have shown they can compete.

I don't begrudge the Saints, 9ers, Ravens, NY Giants and others teams who can be proud of what their coaches are accomplishing. They should be proud. But I will say that Pete Carroll puts a brand of football on the field that I respect. I hate finesse. I hate playing soft. Pete can get as hormonal as he wants, because I agree. Stop me if you can, or feel my boot if you cannot. No ribbons for all participants. Win and the glory is yours. Lose and suffer the slings and arrows of humiliation. It speaks to my animal nature. It is why I love competition. I will try to be civil, since you need to know boundaries, but yeah, I want to cheer for a game of strategy, strength and will.

For a sunny side of life type guy, Pete has some serious killer instincts in how he builds a team. Very happy with what he puts on the field. Been that way for me since day one. I just hope he gets to further establish himself within the organization. I leave the multiple SBs to others because that isn't what I need to see to know whether I like the product that is on the field.
 

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So continues the fascination with a "list"
It's all opinions, means nothing. I'm proud he's the coach of the Hawks, he's one hell of a coach.
 

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drdiags":1059l12j said:
Here is what I know. I love the Pete Carroll hire. He has some quirks but is strong in his beliefs from what I can tell. There are better X's and O's HCs out there but what he has done here is outstanding.

Fate may not smile on him this season, who knows, but his vision of what football is on both sides of the ball coincides with what I want football to look like. The organization he helped put together has put players on the field that can hold their own and the plans he and his coaches create have shown they can compete.

I don't begrudge the Saints, 9ers, Ravens, NY Giants and others teams who can be proud of what their coaches are accomplishing. They should be proud. But I will say that Pete Carroll puts a brand of football on the field that I respect. I hate finesse. I hate playing soft. Pete can get as hormonal as he wants, because I agree. Stop me if you can, or feel my boot if you cannot. No ribbons for all participants. Win and the glory is yours. Lose and suffer the slings and arrows of humiliation. It speaks to my animal nature. It is why I love competition. I will try to be civil, since you need to know boundaries, but yeah, I want to cheer for a game of strategy, strength and will.

For a sunny side of life type guy, Pete has some serious killer instincts in how he builds a team. Very happy with what he puts on the field. Been that way for me since day one. I just hope he gets to further establish himself within the organization. I leave the multiple SBs to others because that isn't what I need to see to know whether I like the product that is on the field.

That is damn well said and exactly how I feel. When I hear people talk about how "you can't be giving your players hugs, then be tough about competition" or anything including "rah-rah" all I hear is their own limitations being projected with ignorance.

Just heard them talking PC on NFL Network. He was the only one they discussed in the 9-16 range. Eric Davis (former 9er) said PC was one of, if not the, best teachers in the league.
 

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It's NFL.com that's all you need to know. According to them Wilson is fifth out of QB's under 25 even after a historic rookie season.

Am I the only one noticing anything from NFL.com seems to rate us pretty poorly while simultainiosly hoisting anything Niner to head scratching levels?

These things are just opinion and rarely backed up by anything statistical so you can't really say what is right or wrong but it does bother me that I see the consistent bias towards the Niners from the same FO that makes the schedule and somehow seem to do everything in their power to make our schedule harder while making the Niners as easy as possible.
 

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I bet you if he didnt call time out in the playoffs he would be higher. If we win that game he would be a couple of spots higher. That would have been one of the greatest games in playoff history and if we went on to win a Superbowl with a Rookie quarterback, Pete would be asking for a raise lol
 

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RichNhansom":au785v8z said:
Am I the only one noticing anything from NFL.com seems to rate us pretty poorly while simultainiosly hoisting anything Niner to head scratching levels?

I think this is a case of confirmation bias. Look at how many Seahawks plays are already in their top 100 plays of 2012 list, more than any other team, and the list is only halfway done. Also, we had three games in their top 20 games of 2012 list. The 49ers had 4, but we we're 2nd or tied for 2nd most games on the list.
 
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