NFC Playoff Picture Week 17

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Everyone,

Here is an excellent link that explains the full NFL Playoff Picture.

I have to comment for the NFC West and San Fran vs Seattle, the more things change the more they seem to stay the same.

Last year heading into week 17, San Fran had the division lead with an 10-4-1 record was playing Arizona for the final game of the season, while Seattle was chasing them with a 10-5 record was playing the Rams. In 2012, a San Fran win would win the Division (by a half game) and secure the #2 seed while a Seattle win or tie coupled with a Niner loss would have given Seattle the #2 seed and the Division.

Now fast forward to week 17 in 2013. This time it's Seattle that is hanging on for dear life with the Division lead with a mere one game lead over the Niners after giving up most of her division cushion (last year it was the Niners that went out to a commanding three game lead before Seattle went on a five game tear in December that reduced this lead to a mere half game). Seattle with a 12-3 record plays the Rams (again) for the final game of the season. Like San Fran last year, a win (or tie) wins the division (and the #1 seed this year) outright. Like Seattle, last year, San Fran has to win (against a surging Arizona team) and pray for Seattle to lose (ties won't cut it). Interesting parallels.

Everyone that has access to sports media knows all about the NFCE and NFCN contests between Philly@Dallas and Green Bay@Chicago respectively. These contests will determine the NFCE and NFCN Divsions entirely and have absolutely no impact on any other playoff spot in the NFC.

Three of the other four spots are accounted for. It's only a matter of which team gets which spots. Specifically, Seattle (12-3), Carolina (11-4), and San Fran (11-4) are in. The last spot will be taken by either New Orleans (10-5) [the most likely result] or Arizona (10-5 but needs help).

Everyone here knows Seattle's Scenario. If Seattle wins (or ties) against St Louis at the Clink they clinch it all (HFA). If they don't, then San Fran can steal the division crown by winning (ties won't do it) vs Arizona at Arizona.

San Fran's Scenarios are mostly the inverse of Seattle's with a couple of additional flourishes. Unlike Seattle, San Fran loses the tiebreaks with both New Orleans and Carolina. Thus for San Fran to get the #1 seed they would not only have to win the division crown, but Carolina would also have to lose at Atlanta (fat chance). If San Fran wins the division, they can't be worse than #2 seed (and Carolina would be the #1 seed if that happens).

If Seattle wins the division (most likely) then if San Fran wins vs Arizona, they clinch the #5 seed. If they lose, they will be the #6 seed unless New Orleans also loses.

Bottom line: San Fran is the overwhelming favorite to be the #5 seed.

In the NFC, the most important overall game is probably Tampa Bay @ New Orleans. If New Orleans wins, then Arizona is out no matter what Arizona does. That's because this would be New Orleans 11th win, and the best Arizona could do is force a three way tie at 11-5 (themselves, San Fran, and New Orleans) and Arizona loses out in any such three way tie. If New Orleans loses, then San Fran is LOCKED into the #5 seed provided Seattle wins no matter what happens with Arizona (although Arizona would be the #6 seed with a win in this case).

So basically, New Orelans to make the playoffs has to beat Tampa Bay. Period. To win the division (and the #2 seed....New Orelans can not be the #1 seed now), Carolina would also have to lose at Atlanta. (Not too likely). If New Orleans loses, they have to pray for help from San Fransisco (to eliminate Arizona) and HOPE this happens before the Rams@Seahawks game is decided. Why? If San Fran and Arizona know that Seattle has won, and they know that New Orleans has lost, they can collude to TIE THE GAME. This would give both teams playoff spots and ice New Orleans out. This is a case where a tie would be best for both teams on the field.

The most likely scenario is for New Orleans to win, Carolina to win, and for Seattle to win. This will lock New Orleans into the #5 or #6 wildcard depending on San Fransisco.

Finally, Arizona is clinging onto it's playoff hopes by it's fingernails. Changes are very good that Arizona is going to be eliminated the moment New Orleans beats Tampa Bay (in the Superdome). Thus Arizona could well be 11-5, all dressed up, but no where to go. That reminds me a bit of the 1986 Seahawks that were probably one of the best and hottest teams in football at the end of that year....but missed the playoffs. Another example would be the 11-5 Patriots that just missed as well a few years ago. In fact I think this (or a 10-6 Arizona) is the likely scenario.

Basically Arizona has to win (or tie....see above) and PRAY for a New Orleans loss against Tampa Bay at home. Good luck with that.
 

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Thank you for the writeup. I know I wasn't the only one wondering how this could all play out.
 

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I think we win and Arizona wins making it kind of a moot point at the end of the day what happened.
 

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Seems like they messed up slightly. Apparently both Green Bay and Chicago can clinch the NFC North with a win.
 
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The Outfield":10ufudl9 said:
Seems like they messed up slightly. Apparently both Green Bay and Chicago can clinch the NFC North with a win.

They play each other so they both can't win.
 

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Polaris":3uicx0gc said:
The Outfield":3uicx0gc said:
Seems like they messed up slightly. Apparently both Green Bay and Chicago can clinch the NFC North with a win.

They play each other so they both can't win.

That's right, I forgot :D
 

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this next week will certainly be very interesting.
 

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Dallas is toast, no way do they beat the Eagles.
I think Chicago beats Green Bay, unless Rodgers comes back.

We're gonna beat the Rams like a housewife from the 50's, meanwhile nobody will care what happens in Glendale because New Orleans and Carolina will have already won their respective games.

So I make that:
#1 SEAHAWKS
#2 panthers
#3 eagles
#4 bears
#5 49ers
#6 saints

I think if you're looking at the 5th or 6th seed you'd rather play the NFCN winner than the Eagles on the road. I'd like to see the Saints and Cardinals win so New Orleans has to go to either Chicago or Green Bay while the whiners would have to play the Eagles in Philly.
 

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Thanks. I made a mistake last night and said that if Ari wins Sf is out. I was wrong. Thanks for the correction. I appreciate it. :) :) :)
 

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Seattle loses, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco, Green Bay, Philadelphia all win. That means Seattle has to travel to Green Bay to face a suddenly healthy Aaron Rodgers in the wild card round.

#1 seed: Carolina
#2 seed: San Francisco
#3 seed: Philadelphia
#4 seed: Green Bay
#5 seed: Seattle
#6 seed: New Orleans
 
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SeatownJay":yg1xk78w said:
Seattle loses, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco, Green Bay, Philadelphia all win. That means Seattle has to travel to Green Bay to face a suddenly healthy Aaron Rodgers in the wild card round.

#1 seed: Carolina
#2 seed: San Francisco
#3 seed: Philadelphia
#4 seed: Green Bay
#5 seed: Seattle
#6 seed: New Orleans

I just threw up in my mouth a little.
 

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HoustonHawk82":2qxn7u41 said:
SeatownJay":2qxn7u41 said:
Seattle loses, Carolina, New Orleans, San Francisco, Green Bay, Philadelphia all win. That means Seattle has to travel to Green Bay to face a suddenly healthy Aaron Rodgers in the wild card round.

#1 seed: Carolina
#2 seed: San Francisco
#3 seed: Philadelphia
#4 seed: Green Bay
#5 seed: Seattle
#6 seed: New Orleans

I just threw up in my mouth a little.

Uggh, us playing on the road in GB! Wouldn't that be the ultimate NFL storyline! We're gonna have to beat the Rams like drum to ensure the Zebras can't affect the game in favor of that. Otherwise we run a very convenient (for them) officiating gauntlet that has golden boy Rogers taking revenge for the 'fail mary.' A perfect script that would restore order to the good ol' boy universe. :pukeface:
 

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I don't agree with the OP that SF and AZ would collude to get a tie. There's nothing more satisfying than keeping a division rival out of the playoffs, and SF would much rather have NO in the playoffs than AZ, anyway, as NO is an easier team to play against (less physical, less defense).
 
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BocciHawk":2ibavku8 said:
I don't agree with the OP that SF and AZ would collude to get a tie. There's nothing more satisfying than keeping a division rival out of the playoffs, and SF would much rather have NO in the playoffs than AZ, anyway, as NO is an easier team to play against (less physical, less defense).

You may well have a point there, but the fact that this is even a possibility is a direct result of Roger's gerrymandering the division schedule, and I don't think it's been a good thing.
 

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If it's a choice between facing Palmer or certain hall of famer Drew B I'm picking Palmer.
Cards D is good but qb play rules the playoffs.
 
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I was wondering when nfl.com would update their scenario page. Up until an hour or two ago they were saying on it that we have to win or tie to win the division and HFA with no mention of the 9ers losing/tie would also win us the division and HFA.
 

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